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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2018 14:58:44 GMT
Japan dividing the world between itself and India Will not be possible or constructing nukes Will not be possible, its constitution specificly forbids it from possesing nukes or offensive force. This is why their military is called a "self-defence force" and not an army. A that is why they have ships that are called Helicopter Destroyers but who could rival any Essex class carrier the Americans have in 1950. |
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Post by eurowatch on Aug 22, 2018 15:06:43 GMT
Japan dividing the world between itself and India Will not be possible or constructing nukes Will not be possible, its constitution specificly forbids it from possesing nukes or offensive force. This is why their military is called a "self-defence force" and not an army. A that is why they have ships that are called Helicopter Destroyers but who could rival any Essex class carrier the Americans have in 1950. That is just as much Technology advancing as exploiting loopholes, any modern destroyer would rival a 1940-era cruiser in size. Another reason Japan would og for diplomacy instead of Conquest is that they are Allied With Allied With the US (granted, the alliance hasn't been signed yet) and they place a lot of value on that alliance. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 22, 2018 15:15:29 GMT
Thank you for the input so far.
I'm unsure that 2018 US troops will be happy to return to downtime America--let alone serve them. Perhaps ISOTed Japan, South Korea and wherever else they're stationed might agree to host them for now?
Regarding Japan specifically, it lost its two biggest trading partners (US and China), so their economy is bound to stumble at least. The $600+ billion of oil, machinery, plastics, chemicals, raw materials, etc. they import will have to come from somewhere else. Since their exports beat any downtimers', I see this going a number of ways, mostly likely either a) they secure economic ties with '50s people or b) the downtimers fear Japanese superiority and impose tariffs to protect their own industries.
I potentially see an Asia-Pacific Alliance that forms its own power bloc, due to their anti-Soviet socioeconomic systems and 60+ years of advancements over the Americans. With both superpowers (which is now up for debate), I expect some rather rocky diplomatic relations. A second Yellow Peril is in the making, complete with the US bemoaning how the Asia-Pacific "out-capitalists" them and is loaded with so much shiny tech.
Once those same downtimers get wind of that same tech--especially internet, computers, smart devices and mobile phones--they won't take the news very well. The Americans might be proud to discover that they invented those things, but it'd make no meaningful difference. Besides, the Asia-Pacific countries are the first to have all that ITTL.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2018 15:17:42 GMT
Thank you for the input so far. I'm unsure that 2018 US troops will be happy to return to downtime America--let alone serve them. Perhaps ISOTed Japan, South Korea and wherever else they're stationed might agree to host them for now? Regarding Japan specifically, it lost its two biggest trading partners (US and China), so their economy is bound to stumble at least. The $600+ billion of oil, machinery, plastics, chemicals, raw materials, etc. they import will have to come from somewhere else. Since their exports beat any downtimers', I see this going a number of ways, mostly likely either a) they secure economic ties with '50s people or b) the downtimers fear Japanese superiority and impose tariffs to protect their own industries. I potentially see an Asia-Pacific Alliance that forms its own power bloc, due to their anti-Soviet socioeconomic systems and 60+ years of advancements over the Americans. With both superpowers (which is now up for debate), I expect some rather rocky diplomatic relations. A second Yellow Peril is in the making, complete with the US bemoaning how the Asia-Pacific "out-capitalists" them and is loaded with so much shiny tech. Once those same downtimers get wind of that same tech--especially internet, computers, smart devices and mobile phones--they won't take the news very well. A Japanese-Taiwan-South Korean Block could be formed, ore is that a little bit ASB territory. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 22, 2018 15:19:54 GMT
Thank you for the input so far. I'm unsure that 2018 US troops will be happy to return to downtime America--let alone serve them. Perhaps ISOTed Japan, South Korea and wherever else they're stationed might agree to host them for now? Regarding Japan specifically, it lost its two biggest trading partners (US and China), so their economy is bound to stumble at least. The $600+ billion of oil, machinery, plastics, chemicals, raw materials, etc. they import will have to come from somewhere else. Since their exports beat any downtimers', I see this going a number of ways, mostly likely either a) they secure economic ties with '50s people or b) the downtimers fear Japanese superiority and impose tariffs to protect their own industries. I potentially see an Asia-Pacific Alliance that forms its own power bloc, due to their anti-Soviet socioeconomic systems and 60+ years of advancements over the Americans. With both superpowers (which is now up for debate), I expect some rather rocky diplomatic relations. A second Yellow Peril is in the making, complete with the US bemoaning how the Asia-Pacific "out-capitalists" them and is loaded with so much shiny tech. Once those same downtimers get wind of that same tech--especially internet, computers, smart devices and mobile phones--they won't take the news very well. A Japanese-Taiwan-South Korean Block could be formed, ore is that a little bit ASB territory. I don't see why they couldn't. Although it'll be wise to include Australia too, if possible. I get their potential reluctance to establish tight-knit relations with other Asia-Pacific players (i.e. India), but they're pressed for choices right now. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2018 15:28:14 GMT
A Japanese-Taiwan-South Korean Block could be formed, ore is that a little bit ASB territory. I don't see why they couldn't. Although it'll be wise to include Australia too, if possible. I get their potential reluctance to establish tight-knit relations with other Asia-Pacific players (i.e. India), but they're pressed for choices right now. We also have Vietnam who is going to have some issues with the French i think. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 22, 2018 16:16:55 GMT
I don't see why they couldn't. Although it'll be wise to include Australia too, if possible. I get their potential reluctance to establish tight-knit relations with other Asia-Pacific players (i.e. India), but they're pressed for choices right now. We also have Vietnam who is going to have some issues with the French i think. It's downtimer Vietnam ITTL. I don't consider it a democratic nation, hence why its 2018 version doesn't get ISOTed. One way or another, though, the uptimers will want to stop it from going Red like IOTL.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2018 16:19:37 GMT
We also have Vietnam who is going to have some issues with the French i think. It's downtimer Vietnam ITTL. I don't consider it a democratic nation, hence why its 2018 version doesn't get ISOTed. One way or another, though, the uptimers will want to stop it from going Red like IOTL.
Sorry, so only democratic countries, are Thailand with its current military regime being also send to 1950. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 22, 2018 16:21:39 GMT
It's downtimer Vietnam ITTL. I don't consider it a democratic nation, hence why its 2018 version doesn't get ISOTed. One way or another, though, the uptimers will want to stop it from going Red like IOTL.
Sorry, so only democratic countries, are Thailand with its current military regime being also send to 1950. Whoops! I must've missed that one, I'll have to take it off the list. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2018 16:24:42 GMT
Sorry, so only democratic countries, are Thailand with its current military regime being also send to 1950. Whoops! I must've missed that one, I'll have to take it off the list. Also i am not sure about Cambodia, its prime minster is ruling a long time. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 22, 2018 16:26:58 GMT
Whoops! I must've missed that one, I'll have to take it off the list. Also i am not sure about Cambodia, its prime minster is ruling a long time. Yeah. I didn't include Cambodia, either.
Hopefully, the uptimers can do something about that ITTL--preventing the Khmer Rouge will be a good start.
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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2018 16:28:59 GMT
Also i am not sure about Cambodia, its prime minster is ruling a long time. Yeah. I didn't include Cambodia, either. Hopefully, the uptimers can do something about that ITTL--preventing the Khmer Rouge will be a good start.
Would that be one of their priorities, i sadly do not think so, there are other urgent maters the uptimers have to deal with. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 22, 2018 16:38:51 GMT
Yeah. I didn't include Cambodia, either. Hopefully, the uptimers can do something about that ITTL--preventing the Khmer Rouge will be a good start.
Would that be one of their priorities, i sadly do not think so, there are other urgent maters the uptimers have to deal with. Sadly, that is true; with chaotic economies, scrambling militaries and the rush to establish themselves in the '50s world, uptime Asia-Pacific will be busy. Fortunately, they have time to get situated. The Khmer Rouge doesn't form until the late 1960s, but Pol Pot's just three years from returning to Cambodia and wrecking havoc. |
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Post by lordroel on Aug 22, 2018 16:40:59 GMT
Would that be one of their priorities, i sadly do not think so, there are other urgent maters the uptimers have to deal with. Sadly, that is true; with chaotic economies, scrambling militaries and the rush to establish themselves in the '50s world, uptime Asia-Pacific will be busy. Fortunately, they have time to get situated. The Khmer Rouge doesn't form until the late 1960s, but Pol Pot's just three years from returning to Cambodia and wrecking havoc. Where was he in 1950. |
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Post by Zyobot on Aug 22, 2018 16:48:44 GMT
Sadly, that is true; with chaotic economies, scrambling militaries and the rush to establish themselves in the '50s world, uptime Asia-Pacific will be busy. Fortunately, they have time to get situated. The Khmer Rouge doesn't form until the late 1960s, but Pol Pot's just three years from returning to Cambodia and wrecking havoc. Where was he in 1950. He was in France, studying radio technology and getting involved in far-left politics. He won't be in Phnom Penh for 3 more years. |
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