WI: the U.S. didn't become secular (officially) until at [at least] when the southern states started

[miletus12]

Aug 3, 2022 13:23:16 GMT justiniano said:

Aug 2, 2022 23:08:54 GMT miletus12 said:

The Christian Georgians who were massacred by these guys in a religious war of persecution in the 14th Century say, "hi".

Look, I'm not even a muslim. Infact what is probably the most common accusation thrown at me is that I'm an islamophobe but I'm pretty sure u have the Timurids confused with someone else, the Timurids were generally religiously tolerant. Also the KKK killed a lot of Catholics, does this mean that the state religion was Protestantism? Also, the Timurids killed a lot of people from Muslim ethnic groups too. Are you sure this was a jihad and not just any war? Maybe it was just a war and they used religion to justify it. (I'm not someone who would say islam doesn't promote war, I would say that it did cause wars like the ones the rashiduns, umayyads & ottomans started, just not the timurids as the timurids were usually more tolerant, if you are right this seems like an exception to the rule, which I'm willing to admit could be the case)

I do not. The Persians attacked and massacred those Georgians because of their "religion". They were not "tolerant". 

The KKK were Unreconstructed Confederates. The Big Lie of The Lost Cause was their regional state religion. Their "ideology" was no different from any other psychotic rejection of objective reality.  They might have been protestants or Catholics or atheists, but what united them all as criminals and sociopaths was their belief in RACISM. It was their ideology and their totalitarian "religion" in that they, as an article of faith, thought that white skins were superior to black and brown skins. Understand clearly, it was an article of faith, not a scientific fact that they thought whites were superior to darker shade of skin human beings. Even WORSE, they graded whites in descending ranking according to shade of skin color. Guess how Italians, Spaniards, Greeks, Rumanians, Mexicans, Berbers and Jews fared on this scale?       

This is what I mean by "religion".  

IDEOLOGY

i·de·ol·o·gy

[ˌīdēˈäləjē, ˌidēˈäləjē]

NOUN

a system of ideas and ideals, especially one which forms the basis of economic or political theory and policy:

"the ideology of democracy"

synonyms:

beliefs · ideas · ideals · principles · doctrine · creed · credo · teaching · [more]

the ideas and manner of thinking characteristic of a group, social class, or individual:

"a critique of bourgeois ideology"

synonyms:

system of belief · set of principles · statement of beliefs · [more]

archaic

the science of ideas; the study of their origin and nature.

archaic

visionary speculation, especially of an unrealistic or idealistic nature.  

When the "ideology" is based on faith and not on observation and repeatable results, that ideology is a "fantasy". Hence any form of Communism and Fascism and Islam and Christianity, and Buddhism, and any other "ism" including CAPITALISM when practiced wrong, that has totalitarian thought rigidity and the believer's refusal to tolerate the truth, and uses "faith" to promote ideas of persecution and bigotry as totalitarian way of life tenets of faith, is a "superstition" and that is a rather good definition for "religion".       
 

[simon darkshade]

This thread doesn’t have a premise, idea or historical question to it, just observance of erroneous ideas. Unless it gets reworked to actually get something to it, I can see it staying open much longer.

[simon darkshade]

I’m locking this one now, as ‘Random Religious Discussion with No Relationship to Historical Fact’ isn’t alternate history with a pre 1900 PoD.