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Post by lordroel on Mar 29, 2018 13:57:59 GMT
I was thinking, to bolster Canadian defense we can have the British Expeditionary Force that was send to France be send to Canada instead, lets call it the British Army in Canada.
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Post by stevep on Mar 29, 2018 22:08:00 GMT
Lordroel
Just to clarify, with your 2nd point i.e.
Do your mean all their forces are automatically returned to their home territory or that any units overseas - or even at sea - are lost and its only those actually in their home territories at that time that are transported? I was assuming the former as that often occurs in such ASB scenarios but it could be read either way. Would affect Britain and Japan as both have forces overseas, Britain across the empire and Japan largely in China/Manchuria/Korea. Britain could lose a lot of ships and Japan much of its regular army and possibly a significant amount of their fleet depending on where its deployed if the 2nd definition applies.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 30, 2018 0:59:22 GMT
Lordroel Just to clarify, with your 2nd point i.e. Do your mean all their forces are automatically returned to their home territory or that any units overseas - or even at sea - are lost and its only those actually in their home territories at that time that are transported? I was assuming the former as that often occurs in such ASB scenarios but it could be read either way. Would affect Britain and Japan as both have forces overseas, Britain across the empire and Japan largely in China/Manchuria/Korea. Britain could lose a lot of ships and Japan much of its regular army and possibly a significant amount of their fleet depending on where its deployed if the 2nd definition applies. All units that are deployed overseas are returned to the country, all ships are transported to the main naval base, i hope that answers your question.
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Post by stevep on Mar 30, 2018 10:39:39 GMT
Lordroel Just to clarify, with your 2nd point i.e. Do your mean all their forces are automatically returned to their home territory or that any units overseas - or even at sea - are lost and its only those actually in their home territories at that time that are transported? I was assuming the former as that often occurs in such ASB scenarios but it could be read either way. Would affect Britain and Japan as both have forces overseas, Britain across the empire and Japan largely in China/Manchuria/Korea. Britain could lose a lot of ships and Japan much of its regular army and possibly a significant amount of their fleet depending on where its deployed if the 2nd definition applies. All units that are deployed overseas are returned to the country, all ships are transported to the main naval base, i hope that answers your question. Ok thanks. That helps Britain and Japan but possibly Britain a bit more. Japan gets back a hell of a lot of troops but they don't have the shipping to transport more than a few of them at the time. Although with the new mines and oilfields they don't have the same level of need for imports - not to mention anywhere much to import from - so can use what shipping they have for military use.
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Post by lordroel on Mar 30, 2018 10:56:33 GMT
Ok thanks. That helps Britain and Japan but possibly Britain a bit more. Japan gets back a hell of a lot of troops but they don't have the shipping to transport more than a few of them at the time. Although with the new mines and oilfields they don't have the same level of need for imports - not to mention anywhere much to import from - so can use what shipping they have for military use. But until Canada begins full production of navy ships, the Royal Navy will be needed to defend probably the largest coastline of all four countries plus defending its own coast lines, but Germany also is in the same situation except it has a navy to use.
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Post by stevep on Mar 30, 2018 18:35:58 GMT
Ok thanks. That helps Britain and Japan but possibly Britain a bit more. Japan gets back a hell of a lot of troops but they don't have the shipping to transport more than a few of them at the time. Although with the new mines and oilfields they don't have the same level of need for imports - not to mention anywhere much to import from - so can use what shipping they have for military use. But until Canada begins full production of navy ships, the Royal Navy will be needed to defend probably the largest coastline of all four countries plus defending its own coast lines, but Germany also is in the same situation except it has a navy to use. Well Germany isn't really threatened with invasion. Neither allied power has anything like enough military strength, let alone the long ranged air to protect such an invasion. The saving grace for Canada might be that a Japanese [or less likely a German one] invasion would have vulnerable supply lines. As such even if they land somewhere they could struggle to get supplies through. Also either they land near the main Canadian centres of power, in which case the defenders can react quickly. Alternatively they land in a relatively unpopulated area of Canada, of which there are plenty. Now those areas are no longer arctic wastelands but if their several hundred kilometers from anywhere getting to say Montreal or Halifax to actually hurt the Canadians, let alone Toronto, its main centre of industry, its going to be a long slog with minimal infrastructure and most/all supplies having to be brought across a contested seaway. The Japanese do have longer ranged a/c than their rivals, at least at this stage. However that's largely because their lightly built with little/no defensive armour and the like so are a lot more vulnerable to enemy fire or other damage. Plus I don't think the fighter have long enough ranges to operate from Japan, even against the closest parts of Canada to escort bombers so hopefully the latter are likely to suffer heavy losses. Albeit that Canada doesn't have much of an airforce at the moment, although hopefully Britain can help out there as the greater distance between it and its enemies means a good proportion of the RAF could be rerouted to help Canada until their own forces are built up. I think however the allies will be on the defensive for a long while, seeking to defend their homelands and pick away at the enemy naval and maritime strength especially while they seek ways to hurt their opponents. [Preferably something better than long ranged strategic bombing as I fear that would be even less successful than OTL. ] On the other hand they hopefully have a stronger scientific base.
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