Cold War/World War III YouTube Thread

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America's Nuclear Warriors - Global Strike Command

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Earlier this year, there was fears that the U.S. and Iran may go to war. Here are some videos that explain though for the RT video, please take it with a grain of salt.

Why War With Iran Is Just....A Horrendous Idea



Could US invade Iran?



4 reasons US would lose war w/ Iran (Full show)

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Sept 24, 2020 3:17:27 GMT gillan1220 said:

Earlier this year, there was fears that the U.S. and Iran may go to war. Here are some videos that explain though for the RT video, please take it with a grain of salt.

Why War With Iran Is Just....A Horrendous Idea



Could US invade Iran?



4 reasons US would lose war w/ Iran (Full show)

  I love Cody's initial take. remember Iraq, end of video.

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Sept 24, 2020 10:54:29 GMT stevep said:

Sept 24, 2020 3:17:27 GMT gillan1220 said:

Earlier this year, there was fears that the U.S. and Iran may go to war. Here are some videos that explain though for the RT video, please take it with a grain of salt.

Why War With Iran Is Just....A Horrendous Idea



Could US invade Iran?



4 reasons US would lose war w/ Iran (Full show)

  I love Cody's initial take. remember Iraq, end of video.

Except this time, Iran has natural defense areas which they can use to their advantage.

[stevep]

Sept 24, 2020 11:33:47 GMT gillan1220 said:

Sept 24, 2020 10:54:29 GMT stevep said:

  I love Cody's initial take. remember Iraq, end of video.

Except this time, Iran has natural defense areas which they can use to their advantage.

  Yes which makes it even worse, along with a markedly higher population. 

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Today 37 years ago, the world almost got into a global thermonuclear war had it not been for Stanislav Petrov. Petrov has been hailed as the man who saved the world along with Vasili Arkhipov who refused to fire on the U.S. Navy during the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.

On 26 September 1983, Stanislav Petrov, a lieutenant colonel in the Soviet Air Defense Forces, was the officer on duty at the Serpukhov-15 bunker near Moscow which housed the command center of the Soviet early warning satellites, code-named Oko. Petrov's responsibilities included observing the satellite early warning network and notifying his superiors of any impending nuclear missile attack against the Soviet Union. If notification was received from the early warning systems that inbound missiles had been detected, the Soviet Union's strategy was an immediate and compulsory nuclear counter-attack against the United States (launch on warning), specified in the doctrine of mutual assured destruction.

Shortly after midnight, the bunker's computers reported that one intercontinental ballistic missile was heading toward the Soviet Union from the United States. Petrov considered the detection a computer error, since a first-strike nuclear attack by the United States was likely to involve hundreds of simultaneous missile launches in order to disable any Soviet means of a counterattack. Furthermore, the satellite system's reliability had been questioned in the past. Petrov dismissed the warning as a false alarm, though accounts of the event differ as to whether he notified his superiors or notafter he concluded that the computer detections were false and that no missile had been launched. Petrov's suspicion that the warning system was malfunctioning was confirmed when no missile in fact arrived. Later, the computers identified four additional missiles in the air, all directed towards the Soviet Union. Petrov suspected that the computer system was malfunctioning again, despite having no direct means to confirm this. The Soviet Union's land radar was incapable of detecting missiles beyond the horizon.

It was subsequently determined that the false alarms were caused by a rare alignment of sunlight on high-altitude clouds and the satellites' Molniya orbits, an error later corrected by cross-referencing a geostationary satellite.

In explaining the factors leading to his decision, Petrov cited his belief and training that any U.S. first strike would be massive, so five missiles seemed an illogical start. In addition, the launch detection system was new and in his view not yet wholly trustworthy, while ground radar had failed to pick up corroborative evidence even after several minutes of the false alarm.

AFTERMATH
Petrov underwent intense questioning by his superiors about his actions. Initially, he was praised for his decision. General Yury Votintsev, then commander of the Soviet Air Defense's Missile Defense Units, who was the first to hear Petrov's report of the incident (and the first to reveal it to the public in 1998), stated that Petrov's "correct actions" were "duly noted."Petrov himself stated he was initially praised by Votintsev and was promised a reward, but recalled that he was also reprimanded for improper filing of paperwork with the pretext that he had not described the incident in the military diary.
He received no reward. According to Petrov, this was because the incident and other bugs found in the missile detection system embarrassed his superiors and the influential scientists who were responsible for it, so that if he had been officially rewarded, they would have had to be punished. He was reassigned to a less sensitive post, took early retirement (although he emphasized that he was not "forced out" of the army, as is sometimes claimed by Western sources), and suffered a nervous breakdown.

Oleg Kalugin, a former KGB chief of foreign counter-intelligence who knew Soviet chairman Andropov well, says that Andropov's distrust of American leaders was profound. It is conceivable that if Petrov had declared the satellite warnings valid, such an erroneous report could have provoked the Soviet leadership into becoming bellicose. Kalugin said, "The danger was in the Soviet leadership thinking, 'The Americans may attack, so we better attack first.'"

AWARDS
On 21 May 2004, the San Francisco-based Association of World Citizens gave Petrov its World Citizen Award along with a trophy and $1,000 "in recognition of the part he played in averting a catastrophe."

In January 2006, Petrov travelled to the United States where he was honored in a meeting at the United Nations in New York City. There the Association of World Citizens presented Petrov with a second special World Citizen Award. The next day, Petrov met American journalist Walter Cronkite at his CBS office in New York City.

That interview, in addition to other highlights of Petrov's trip to the United States, was filmed for The Man Who Saved the World, a narrative feature and documentary film, directed by Peter Anthony of Denmark. It premiered in October 2014 at the Woodstock Film Festival in Woodstock, New York, winning "Honorable Mention: Audience Award Winner for Best Narrative Feature" and "Honorable Mention: James Lyons Award for Best Editing of a Narrative Feature."

For his actions in averting a potential nuclear war in 1983, Petrov was awarded the Dresden Peace Prize in Dresden, Germany, on 17 February 2013. The award included €25,000. On 24 February 2012, he was given the 2011 German Media Award, presented to him at a ceremony in Baden-Baden, Germany.

On September 26, 2018 he was posthumously honored in New York with the $50,000 Future of Life Award. At a ceremony at the Museum of Mathematics in New York, former United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon said: “It is hard to imagine anything more devastating for humanity than all-out nuclear war between Russia and the United States. Yet this might have occurred by accident on September 26 1983, were it not for the wise decisions of Stanislav Yevgrafovich Petrov. For this, he deserves humanity’s profound gratitude. Let us resolve to work together to realize a world free from fear of nuclear weapons, remembering the courageous judgement of Stanislav Petrov.” As Petrov had passed away the award was collected by his daughter, Elena. Petrov’s son Dmitry missed his flight to New York because the US embassy delayed his visa.

On the same day that Petrov was first honored at the United Nations in New York City, the Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations issued a press release contending that a single person could not have started or prevented a nuclear war, stating in part, "Under no circumstances a decision to use nuclear weapons could be made or even considered in the Soviet Union or in the United States on the basis of data from a single source or a system. For this to happen, a confirmation is necessary from several systems: ground-based radars, early warning satellites, intelligence reports, etc." But nuclear security expert Bruce G. Blair has said that at that time, the U.S.–Soviet relationship had deteriorated to the point where "the Soviet Union as a system—not just the Kremlin, not just Andropov, not just the KGB—but as a system, was geared to expect an attack and to retaliate very quickly to it. It was on hair-trigger alert. It was very nervous and prone to mistakes and accidents. The false alarm that happened on Petrov's watch could not have come at a more dangerous, intense phase in US–Soviet relations." At that time, according to Oleg Kalugin, a former KGB chief of foreign counterintelligence, "The danger was in the Soviet leadership thinking, 'The Americans may attack, so we better attack first.'"

Petrov said he did not know whether he should have regarded himself as a hero for what he did that day. In an interview for the film The Man Who Saved the World, Petrov says, "All that happened didn't matter to me—it was my job. I was simply doing my job, and I was the right person at the right time, that's all. My late wife for 10 years knew nothing about it. 'So what did you do?' she asked me. 'Nothing. I did nothing.'"

Petrov was subject to numerous interviews and documentary films. He passed away at the age of 77 on May 19, 2017, though his death was not reported until September of that year.

This post is to honor Petrov for averting World War III @lordroel stevep  Zyobot

The Man Who Saved The World - Full Documentary



Soviet officer saves world from Armageddon - Cold War unknown facts



THE MAN WHO SAVED THE WORLD

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Feature History - Soviet-Afghan War

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AMERIKA - The depiction of a Russian-occupied U.S.



This was an ABC Mini Series depicting a successful Soviet invasion and occupation of the United States. I have read comments that this scared children before after seeing Red Dawn though in the decades to come, the plot comes off as highly unrealistic.

Further reading:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_(miniseries)

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What if We Nuke a City?



What If We Detonated All Nuclear Bombs at Once?



What Would Happen If New York City Was Nuked?

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What Would A World War Look Like Today?

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Oct 11, 2020 10:00:42 GMT gillan1220 said:

What Would A World War Look Like Today?

  I was a bit worried by his ignorance of WWII.  When he was saying most of the major players were self-sufficent in WWII - not in the case of Britain, Germany and Japan definitely.  Or later saying that Britain only needed aid from the US because its own industry was largely destroyed by the war.  Watched most of the video after that but he was very wishy-washy in terms of actual content.  Plus he seemed to avoid the 1st fundamental question which would shape any such major conflict as to who would actually be involved.

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Oct 11, 2020 12:37:15 GMT stevep said:

Oct 11, 2020 10:00:42 GMT gillan1220 said:

What Would A World War Look Like Today?

  I was a bit worried by his ignorance of WWII.  When he was saying most of the major players were self-sufficent in WWII - not in the case of Britain, Germany and Japan definitely.  Or later saying that Britain only needed aid from the US because its own industry was largely destroyed by the war.  Watched most of the video after that but he was very wishy-washy in terms of actual content.  Plus he seemed to avoid the 1st fundamental question which would shape any such major conflict as to who would actually be involved.

The advantage of Britain and France during World War II is that they have their overseas colonies to rely on resources. Germany didn't have. A 1980s WWIII or a modern WWIII would be much different in terms of economy and resources.

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Oct 11, 2020 12:56:13 GMT gillan1220 said:

Oct 11, 2020 12:37:15 GMT stevep said:

  I was a bit worried by his ignorance of WWII.  When he was saying most of the major players were self-sufficent in WWII - not in the case of Britain, Germany and Japan definitely.  Or later saying that Britain only needed aid from the US because its own industry was largely destroyed by the war.  Watched most of the video after that but he was very wishy-washy in terms of actual content.  Plus he seemed to avoid the 1st fundamental question which would shape any such major conflict as to who would actually be involved.

The advantage of Britain and France during World War II is that they have their overseas colonies to rely on resources. Germany didn't have. A 1980s WWIII or a modern WWIII would be much different in terms of economy and resources.

  I agree.  In a modern conventional war even the US is likely to be seriously impacted in terms of disruption of supplies and equipment, especially with so much industry and technology being reliant on imports nowadays.  Far worse for anyone else except for possibly China, even before any interruption of commercial trade comes into play.

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The Secret War: When Israel fought the Soviet Union

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Life in Soviet East Germany | Animated History