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Post by hulkster2001 on Oct 19, 2018 16:54:40 GMT
Instead of deciding to drop out of the race and let Humphrey get the nomination, what if Johnson decided to stay in and was nominated? How well would he do? Could he beat Nixon? Should he have ran? Would RFK stay out and wait til ‘72 (or 76 if Nixon wins)? If Johnson had won how would the public react? Would he be assassinated? How is the US affected if he does win?
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Post by mcnutt on Oct 19, 2018 19:02:44 GMT
If he is nominated he loses/ There is an anti war fourth party.
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Post by kyng on Oct 20, 2018 21:52:19 GMT
Well, George Wallace pledged an immediate withdrawal of US troops from Vietnam, unless the war appeared to be winnable within 90 days. So, he could have just made that a more prominent part of his campaign (keeping his pro-segregation stances, but de-emphasising them a bit). Under that scenario, my guess is that Wallace does better in some northern states, but doesn't come close to winning any of them. He might throw some close states to Nixon, though (e.g. Texas, Maryland, Pennsylvania and Washington, all of which were narrow Humphrey victories in OTL). That would give us this map: Depending on how much of the anti-war vote Wallace takes away, you could possibly even flip more states. It wouldn't be pretty for LBJ.
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Post by mcnutt on Oct 21, 2018 0:19:44 GMT
Wallace is not going to get much of the anti war vote. Most of those voters are liberal.
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Post by insect on Oct 22, 2018 0:29:51 GMT
Johnson loses. does watergate still happen>?
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Post by mcnutt on Oct 24, 2018 17:17:34 GMT
Johnson loses. does watergate still happen>?
If Nixon is elected yes. He is still paranoid. There is still an anti war movement, which bothers him as a World War II veteran.
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Post by kyng on Oct 24, 2018 20:49:36 GMT
Wallace is not going to get much of the anti war vote. Most of those voters are liberal. Some were, of course - but, I don't think all of them were that liberal (at least, not on social issues). Here, I'm thinking of the Obama 2012 - Trump 2016 voters in those states (or, more likely, their parents and grandparents - but, I'm guessing they wouldn't have been any more socially liberal?)
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