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[pyeknu]

And here is the squadron and unit distribution of 3 Canadian Air Division in the United Kingdom:

RAF Croughton
3 CDN AIR DIV HQ
73 COMM REGT
3 CAG HQ & COMMS
31 WING HQ
31 GTS
31 ALS
31 AMVS
524 RS
C COY 3 HAST PER
334 BTY 33 AD REGT

RAF Brize Norton
QG 32e ESCADRE
32e ESM
32e ESO
32 CES
A COY 4 R NFLD R
391 BTY 59 AD REGT

RAF Northolt
QGET 1e GAC
32e ETCA
B COY 1 N ALTA R
382 BTY 68 AD REGT

RAF Woodvale
6 CAG HQ & COMMS
38 WING HQ
429 TS
436 TS
437 TS
3 HAST PER (less one company)
33 AD REGT (less one battery)
38 AMS
38 ALS

RAF Loissiemouth
405 LRPS
424 TRS
31 AMS
D COY 3 CAN SCOTS
364 BTY 66 AD REGT

RAF Valley
49 WING HQ
407 LRPS
415 LRPS
413 TRS
3 CAN SCOTS (less one company)
66 AD REGT (less one battery)
49 AMS
49 ALS

RAF Feltwell
52 WING HQ
52 CS
52 AC&WS
522e ER
CIE B 3e R DU SAG
363e BIE 63e RDAA

RAF Mindenhall
QG 33e ESCADRE
425e EAT
433e EAT
439e EAT
333e ESC
3e R DU SAG (less one company)
63e RDAA (less one battery)
33e EMA
33e ELA

RAF Odiham
34 WG HQ
401 TFS
409 TFS
417 TFS
334 CSS
1 N ALTA R (less one company)
68 AD REGT (less one battery)
34 AMS
34 ALS

RAF Leeming
53 WING HQ
414e ESGÉ
411 EWSS
428 AEW&CS
435 TRS
4 IR REGT C
58 AD REGT
53 AMS
53 ALS

RAF Alconbury
35 WG HQ
416 TFS
434 TFS
444 TFS
335 CSS
4 R NFLD R (less one company)
59 AD REGT (less one battery)
35 AMS
35 ALS

To be continued still...!

[lordroel]

Apr 22, 2019 22:44:40 GMT pyeknu said:

And here is the squadron and unit distribution of 3 Canadian Air Division in the United Kingdom:

RAF Croughton
3 CDN AIR DIV HQ
73 COMM REGT
3 CAG HQ & COMMS
31 WING HQ
31 GTS
31 ALS
31 AMVS
524 RS
C COY 3 HAST PER
334 BTY 33 AD REGT

RAF Brize Norton
QG 32e ESCADRE
32e ESM
32e ESO
32 CES
A COY 4 R NFLD R
391 BTY 59 AD REGT

RAF Northolt
QGET 1e GAC
32e ETCA
B COY 1 N ALTA R
382 BTY 68 AD REGT

RAF Woodvale
6 CAG HQ & COMMS
38 WING HQ
429 TS
436 TS
437 TS
3 HAST PER (less one company)
33 AD REGT (less one battery)
38 AMS
38 ALS

RAF Loissiemouth
405 LRPS
424 TRS
31 AMS
D COY 3 CAN SCOTS
364 BTY 66 AD REGT

RAF Valley
49 WING HQ
407 LRPS
415 LRPS
413 TRS
3 CAN SCOTS (less one company)
66 AD REGT (less one battery)
49 AMS
49 ALS

RAF Feltwell
52 WING HQ
52 CS
52 AC&WS
522e ER
CIE B 3e R DU SAG
363e BIE 63e RDAA

RAF Mindenhall
QG 33e ESCADRE
425e EAT
433e EAT
439e EAT
333e ESC
3e R DU SAG (less one company)
63e RDAA (less one battery)
33e EMA
33e ELA

RAF Odiham
34 WG HQ
401 TFS
409 TFS
417 TFS
334 CSS
1 N ALTA R (less one company)
68 AD REGT (less one battery)
34 AMS
34 ALS

RAF Leeming
53 WING HQ
414e ESGÉ
411 EWSS
428 AEW&CS
435 TRS
4 IR REGT C
58 AD REGT
53 AMS
53 ALS

RAF Alconbury
35 WG HQ
416 TFS
434 TFS
444 TFS
335 CSS
4 R NFLD R (less one company)
59 AD REGT (less one battery)
35 AMS
35 ALS

To be continued still...!

I guess they have a bigger presences in the United Kingdom than OTL Royal Canadian Air force had around 1940.

[pyeknu]

Apr 26, 2019 16:48:28 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 22, 2019 22:44:40 GMT pyeknu said:

I guess they have a bigger presences in the United Kingdom than OTL Royal Canadian Air force had around 1940.

Actually, squadron-wise, there's no need for the 44 squadrons that the RCAF formed under the Ottawa Agreement to create the British Commonwealth Air Training Program IOTL (the "Article XV squadrons").  While I'm sure MRAF Sir Charles Portal wanted to have the RCAF squadrons directly integrated under the RAF's operational commands and groups, the sheer technological gap and the simple fact that the future RCAF had truly developed into its own service precluded that.

[pyeknu]

And now, the formation story of 3 Canadian Air Division...

Under normal circumstances, whenever the RCAF has to send air assets overseas, the formation tasked to get things set up is 2 Air Expeditionary Wing, currently headquartered at Bagotville.  Drawing in on units from Bagotville, Trenton, Kingston and Cold Lake, 2 AEW would move to create a working base, form the necessary support chain back to Canada and serve as a mobile Air Force wing support base for the flying units.

Of course, just like the Canadian Army as they realized the scale of what was going on in the Continent, the RCAF knew they had to send more.

MUCH more.

To better ease command and control, it was decided right away that all deployed formations and units overseas would be under a senior Air Force general who would liaise directly with the Royal Air Force, l'Armée de l'Air and all other Allied air forces so actions against the enemy would be coordinated.  Immediately, a problem was perceived.  Given that an RCAF air division is normally commanded by a major general (for a large formation) or a brigadier general (for a smaller formation), dealing with the status-conscious British could possibly see feathers ruffled on both sides.  After all, the major RAF commands were controlled by air marshals (the equivalents of lieutenant generals), so if 3 Air Division was going to work seamlessly with Fighter Command or Coastal Command, the air officer commanding the division would have to be of equal rank.

Fortunately, someone was available right away:  Lieutenant General Christopher Coats, the Deputy Commander of NORAD, who was teleported back to Canada when the Shift occurred, along with all Canadian NORAD staff based in the United States.

Right away, General Al Meinzenger ordered LGen Coats to reorganize the repatriated NORAD staff into the headquarters of 3 Canadian Air Division.

As this was going on, 2 AEW was busy getting the deployed overseas bases ready.  As this went on and more air personnel came over, it was decided that the division would have its own version of 2 AEW to serve as the central command support nexus in country.  Thus was formed 32 Wing, which was formed from detached flights of 2 AEW's units:  32e Escadron de Soutien de Mission (32 Mission Support Squadron) from 2e ESM in Bagotville, 32e Escadron de Soutien aux Opérations (32 Operations Support Squadron) from 2e ESO also in Bagotville, 32 Construction Engineer Squadron from 4 CES in Cold Lake and 32e Escadron de Transmission et de Contrôle (Air) (32 Air Command and Communications Squadron) from 8 ACCS in Trenton.

Because this whole work was not going to be centralized at one airport, 3 Air Division staff proposed a ground-based version of what the Army formed with their overseas division.  31 Wing would have within it the following units:  31 Ground Transport Squadron for all ground-based transportation needs (formed at Borden by personnel from the Canadian Forces Logistics Training Centre), 31 Air Logistics Squadron for all third-line logistics support to the flying wings (formed by staff of the Canadian Forces Joint Operations Support Group in Kingston and its subordinate units across the country), 31 Air Movements Squadron for all air force moment control in-theatre and back to Canada (a mirror of 2 AMVS in Trenton, formed first as a detached flight) and 31 Air Maintenance Squadron for all third-line aircraft maintenance support to the flying wings (formed by staff from 1 AMS in Cold Lake).

Once the two ground support wings were in place, Headquarters 3 Air Division could deploy over and begin operations immediately, accompanied by its in-house communications formation, 73 Communications Regiment, which reprises the number of the old 73 Communications Group, the Canadian Forces Communication Command's static signal formation based in the Prairie provinces during the years after Unification.  To act as an intermediary headquarters for the ground support wings, Headquarters of 3 Canadian Air Group was stood up to take charge of 31 and 32 Wings.

The final wing to join 3 CAG is 52 Wing, which would be a deployed mirror of 22 Wing in North Bay.  This would compose of squadrons that would link up with Fighter Command's remarkable network of ground radars that was such a key element in Britain's victory during the Battle of Britain IOTL.  The squadrons would include the following:  52 Communications Squadron serving as the direct signal links between 3 Air Division and the various RAF commands (formed at Kingston from personnel of the Canadian Forces Joint Signal Regiment), 52 Aerospace Control and Warning Squadron which would coordinate all 3 Air Division actions in theatre both within the formation and with Allied forces (formed at North Bay from personnel from 21 AC&WS) and two squadrons which would have more advanced radar units to help in detecting enemy air movements; 522e Escadron de Radar would be formed as a detached wing of 12e ER in Bagotville while 524 Radar Squadron would rise from a detached wing of 42 RS in Cold Lake.

Now came the flying formations:

To ease command and control and remove the need for Canada-based wings to command their squadrons "via remote", Headquarters 1re Groupe Aérien du Canada (1 Canadian Air Group) would be stood up as the overall formation commanding fighter squadrons while Headquarters 6 Canadian Air Group would command the transport, combat support and maritime support squadrons.  Both 1re GAC and 6 CAG would have three wings each, the wings numbered as a mirror of the squadrons' base formations back in Canada.  Both 33e Escadre from Bagotville and 34 Wing from Cold Lake would take local control of fighter squadrons coming from those bases, while 35 Wing from Goose Bay would be a totally-new tactical formation absorbing newly-formed fighter squadrons.  Of course, it was decided right away that there would be three strike squadrons in each wing, which necessitated the combat support squadrons from the three bases (439e Escadron, 417 Squadron and 444 Squadron) to convert over to tactical fighter squadrons.  To act as local search-and-rescue units, new 300-series squadrons would be formed from detached flights of the aforementioned squadrons and would fly CH-146 Griffons.

Thanks to there only being about 88 CF-188 Hornets in country at the time of the Shift, there wouldn't be a single platform type in use by the squadrons of 1re GAC.  Thus, the squadrons were equipped as follows:

33e ESCADRE
425e "Ville de Saguenay" (Alouette) Escadron d'Appui Tactique - 16 x CF-188 Hornet
433e "Ville de Timmins" (Porcupine) Escadron d'Appui Tactique - 16 x CF-188 Hornet
439e "Ville de Trois-Rivières" (Sabre-Tooth Tiger) Escadron d'Appui Tactique - 16 x CF-116 Freedom Fighter

34 WING
401 "City of Westmount" (Ram) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-188 Hornet
409 "City of Nanaimo" (Nighthawk) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-188 Hornet
417 "City of Windsor" (Desert Palm) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-116 Freedom Fighter

35 WING
416 "City of Oshawa" (Lynx) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-102 Alpha Jet
434 "City of Halifax" (Bluenose) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-102 Alpha Jet
444 "Town of Happy Valley-Goose Bay" (Cobra) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-116 Freedom Fighter

The combat support squadrons would get four CH-146 Griffons per unit.

Of course, given a tonne of social differences between the up-time Canadians and down-time British, it was decided to borrow the Royal Air Force Regiment concept and have small Army regimental battle groups attached to the flying wings to act as airfield defence and security.  The 3rd Battalion of The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment, the 3e Bataillon of le Régiment du Saguenay, the 4th Battalion of the The Royal Newfoundland Regiment and the 1st Battalion of The North Alberta Regiment would form the infantry side while newly-constituted air defence regiments of the Royal Canadian Artillery would provide the heavy guns needed.  And while 3 HAST PER, 3e R du SAG and 4 R NFLD R would be formed from existing Militia regiments, 1 N ALTA R would be established as a detached company of the Loyal Edmonton Regiment (4 PPCLI) before being renamed to honour a post-Great War unit that only served for a couple years in the 1920s.

The squadrons of 6 CAG would be drawn over from 8 Wing in Trenton, 14 Wing in Greenwood, 19 Wing in Comox and 22 Wing in North Bay to provide combat support, maritime surveillance and dedicated search and rescue units.  The squadrons of 38 Wing would be flying the CC-130J Hercules, the CC-177 Globemaster III and the CC-150 Polaris aircraft as in-theatre medium tactical transport, heavy tactical transport and airborne refuelling respectively.  Squadrons in 49 Wing would have the CP-140 Aurora long range patrol aircraft as their main strike arm.  But when it comes to 53 Wing, whole new capabilities were brought into play...

414e "Ville de Sarnia" (Black Knight) Escadron de Soutien de Guerre Électronique - 4 x CE-144 Challenger 
411 "Region of York" (Black Bear) Electronic Warfare Support Squadron - 4 x CE-144 Challenger
428 "City of North Bay" (Ghost) Airborne Early Warning and Control Squadron - 2 x CE-165 Sentinel

The Bombardier/Canadair CE-144 Challenger is an electronic warfare variant of the CL600 Challenger business jet that would provide both detection and jamming capabilities to detect and prevent any enemy moves to counter Allied air power.  And the Raytheon/Bombardier CE-165 Sentinel is the Canadian designation for the Royal Air Force's own Sentinel R1 airborne battlefield/ground surveillance aircraft, built from the Bombardier Global Express 6500 mid-range business jet.  The aircraft numbers would be VERY small since Canada had no airborne EW or AW&C capabilities even if earlier versions of the CE-144 once flew for 414e Escadron.

Naturally, all dedicated transport and rescue squadrons in 6 CAG would fly their mixture of CC-130 Hercules transports and CH-149 Cormorant helicopters.

And as with 1re GAC, local Militia regiments would provide the infantry ground support to 6 CAG's wings, augmented by new field units of the Royal Canadian Artillery.

[lordroel]

Apr 26, 2019 19:26:07 GMT pyeknu said:

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35 WING
416 "City of Oshawa" (Lynx) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-102 Alpha Jet
434 "City of Halifax" (Bluenose) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-102 Alpha Jet
444 "Town of Happy Valley-Goose Bay" (Cobra) Tactical Fighter Squadron - 16 x CF-116 Freedom Fighter

First, nice update pyeknu.

Second, where there so many Alphas in Canada at the time of the transition to 1939, i only find 16 where in use with Top Aces – 16 (former Luftwaffe Alpha Jet Aircraft) based in Montreal and operated by Canadian Air Combat and Electronic Warfare Support Services Company, that company does also operate 9 Douglas A-4 Skyhawks.

Also what happenend to No. 414 Squadron RCAF, the previous operator of the Alphas.

[pyeknu]

Apr 26, 2019 21:20:31 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 26, 2019 19:26:07 GMT pyeknu said:

First, nice update pyeknu .

Second, where there so many Alphas in Canada at the time of the transition to 1939, i only find 16 where in use with Top Aces – 16 (former Luftwaffe Alpha Jet Aircraft) based in Montreal and operated by Canadian Air Combat and Electronic Warfare Support Services Company, that company does also operate 9 Douglas A-4 Skyhawks.

Also what happenend to No. 414 Squadron RCAF, the previous operator of the Alphas.

New construction.  Bristol and Magellan teamed together to construct new CF-102s shortly after the Shift.

As for 414 Squadron, look at 53 Wing.

[lordroel]

Apr 26, 2019 23:07:43 GMT pyeknu said:

Apr 26, 2019 21:20:31 GMT lordroel said:

First, nice update pyeknu .

Second, where there so many Alphas in Canada at the time of the transition to 1939, i only find 16 where in use with Top Aces – 16 (former Luftwaffe Alpha Jet Aircraft) based in Montreal and operated by Canadian Air Combat and Electronic Warfare Support Services Company, that company does also operate 9 Douglas A-4 Skyhawks.

Also what happenend to No. 414 Squadron RCAF, the previous operator of the Alphas.

New construction.  Bristol and Magellan teamed together to construct new CF-102s shortly after the Shift.

I can assume they are a little bit modern than their older versions ore are they exact copies.

[pyeknu]

Apr 27, 2019 8:35:42 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 26, 2019 23:07:43 GMT pyeknu said:

New construction.  Bristol and Magellan teamed together to construct new CF-102s shortly after the Shift.

I can assume they are a little bit modern than their older versions ore are they exact copies.

Doesn’t really matter, AFAIK.

[lordroel]

Apr 27, 2019 9:17:14 GMT pyeknu said:

Apr 27, 2019 8:35:42 GMT lordroel said:

I can assume they are a little bit modern than their older versions ore are they exact copies.

Doesn’t really matter, AFAIK.

Well the Canadian still have better planes than the Germans ore anybody else so i think you are right, it will not matter, until other countries decide to play catch up to them.

[stevep]

Apr 27, 2019 9:19:03 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 27, 2019 9:17:14 GMT pyeknu said:

Doesn’t really matter, AFAIK.

Well the Canadian still have better planes than the Germans ore anybody else so i think you are right, it will not matter, until other countries decide to play catch up to them.

  Deciding is one thing.  Being able to do so will be another.  Even with support from Canada or very successful espionage that's going to be a huge leap in both manufacturing techniques and also design capacity.  As well as need to revise training, doctrine, airfield capacity and the like. 

  Probably the two nations in best position to do so would be the UK, large and for the time advanced aircraft industry and probably the best access to Canadian technology and the US with an even greater basic capacity and also likely to develop some links with Canada.  Even so it would probably take them a decade to get up to where Canada is now, at least in terms of having their own capacity from design thru to operation independently of direct Canadian support.

[pyeknu]

Well, with I Canadian Corps and 3 Canadian Air Division introduced, time to meet the first of Canada's two "divisions in name only", 7th Canadian Division (Airmobile)...

When this division was ordered to be formed, it was decided that instead of mobilizing a standard ground infantry division, a helicopter-movable light infantry division with minor parachute infantry capabilities in one brigade would be established.  This would allow forces to sweep into spots that needed to be secured right away, where normal ground units would be hard to send out.  Thus, four combined light infantry brigades/tactical helicopter wings would be created as the fighting formations of 7 CD(AMBL), three dedicated airmobile with one having the extra flexibility of having the option to parachute down to a target zone.

Since division troops were meant to simply serve as combat support/service support forces for the individual brigades, it was decided that the division as a whole would be situated well away from front-line action, having personnel sent in piecemeal when needed.  To support this, an entire tactical air group commanded by a brigadier general would be the RCAF's main formation, it with a central support wing (with accompanying airfield security forces as was done in 3 Air Division) atop the brigade tactical aviation wings.

Most of the units of 7 CD(AMBL) hail from Ontario and Québec, though a small number of units from Alberta and even the Yukon of all places are within the division.  Thus, when ordered to be formed, the division headquarters staff were initially personnel brought over from the headquarters of 4th Canadian Division in Toronto, though organized in Ottawa to take advantage of new local recruiting numbers.

As an aside, it was decided not to use the two-coloured division patches that had been used by the original 7th Canadian Infantry Division in World War Two IOTL, divided diagonally from lower left to upper right, coloured French grey (3rd Division) over green (4th Division).  Instead, it was decided to blend the traditional colours into a single shade, which created a patch of dull medium green similar in shade to jade.  Because it was still too similar in shade to the patch of the 4th Division, a lighter tea green was adopted for the division.

And to begin...



Division Troops
7th Canadian Division Headquarters (7 CDN DIV HQ) - Ottawa
42nd Artillery Regiment (General Support) (Lanark and Renfrew Scottish), RCA (42 GS REGT) - Pembrooke
11 Engineer Support Regiment (11 ESR) - London
7th Canadian Division Signal Regiment (7 CDSR) - Ottawa
7th Canadian Division Joint Operations Support Group (7 CDJOSG) - Ottawa
7th Canadian Division Intelligence Company (7 CD INT COY) - Ottawa

This is the same as with all other Army divisions, who would be formed from detached troops and platoons from existing Militia units before new manning would bring them to full strength.  The only existing unit in this part of 7 CD(AMBL) is the 42 GS REGT out of Pembrooke; at the time of the Shift, it was a field regiment even if it had been formed as an infantry regiment (hence, the subtitle) before conversion to air defence artillery in 1992, then to field artillery in 2006.  To allow a sort of distance between the rear headquarters of 4 CAD and 7 CD(AMBL), the latter's headquarters forces were organized in Ottawa.  Note that 11 ESR is a reformed field engineer regiment of the old school, first founded in 1920 and placed on the Supplementary Order of Battle in 1965; this unit would be reformed with help from 31 CER in nearby Saint Thomas.

7th Canadian Division Health Services Regiment
7th Canadian Division Health Services Regiment Headquarters (7 CD HSVC REGT HQ) - Ottawa
19 Field Ambulance (19 FD AMB) - Montréal
20 Field Ambulance (20 FD AMB) - Hamilton
21 Field Ambulance (21 FD AMB) - Mississauga
22e Ambulance de Campagne (22e AMB C) - Longueuil
23 Field Ambulance (23 FD AMB) - Ottawa
7 Canadian Field Hospital (7 CFH) - Ottawa

This is the same as with all other Army divisions, but it was decided to have five manoeuvre elements within the regiment, four to work with the combat brigades and the fifth to work with 7 CAG and the other division troops.  Of course, all the Regular Force and Militia health services units in Ontario and Québec would contribute to the regiment's formation and manning.

7 Canadian Division Military Police Company
7 Canadian Division Military Police Company Headquarters (7 CDMP COY HQ) - Ottawa
19 Military Police Platoon (19 MP PL) - Montréal
20 Military Police Platoon (20 MP PL) - Hamilton
21 Military Police Platoon (21 MP PL) - Toronto
22 Military Police Platoon (22 MP PL) - Kingston
23 Military Police Platoon (23 MP PL) - Ottawa

Again the same concept as 7 CD HSVC REGT; similar to the standard Army division provost company but with five manoeuvre elements in the unit, four to work with the combat brigades and the fifth with 7 CAG and the division troops.  The company would be formed by personnel transferred over from 2 Military Police Regiment in Ontario and 5e Régiment de Police Militaire in Québec.

7 Canadian Air Group (7 CAG)
7 Canadian Air Group Headquarters and Communications Squadron (7 CAG HQ & CS) - Mountain View
187 Reconnaissance Squadron (187 RNS) - Mountain View
157 Tactical Transport Helicoper Squadron (157 TTHS) - Markham
7 Air Communications and Control Squadron (7 ACCS) - Mountain View
7 Air Movement Squadron (7 AMVS) - Mountain View
7 Air Logistics Squadron (7 ALS) - Mountain View

The air group's primary job is to serve as second-line support to the brigade aviation wings.  Under direct control of the brigadier general in command of the group would be a UAV reconnaissance squadron flying the CU-157 Sentinel, a CH-147 Chinhook tactical transport squadron for medium-lifting, a mobile air command and control unit, an air movements management squadron and a second-line logistics support squadron.  All units would be organized at CFB Trenton Detachment Mountain View in Prince Edward County south of the Bay of Quinte and would be formed with help from both 2 Air Expeditionary Wing in Bagotville and 8 Wing in Trenton.

21 WING
21 Wing Headquarters (21 WG HQ) - Whitehorse
1st Battalion, the Yukon Regiment (1 YUKON R) - Whitehorse
19th Air Defence Regiment, RCA (19 AD REGT) - Calgary
211 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (211 THS) - Whitehorse
212 Tactical Helicopter Squadron (212 THS) - Calgary
21 Air Maintenance Squadron (21 AMS) - Whitehorse
21 Air Logistics Squadron (21 ALS) - Whitehorse

The wing directly answering to 7 CAG headquarters would be a combination mobile airfield defence force, rear-area tactical helicopter group.  The Yukon Regiment was a short-lived Cold War unit formed in the territory of the same name in 1960; it would be placed on the Supplementary Order of Battle in 1969; most of its duties afterwards would be taken up by 1 Canadian Ranger Patrol Group's local units.  19 AD REGT was an old-old school artillery brigade formed in 1920 and was reborn as medium artillery after World War Two IOTL, serving until being reduced to nil strength in 1965.  21 AMS would serve as the second-line air maintenance force for all of 7 CAG's units, while 21 ALS would be a combination air group and land regimental combat service support element.

19 Canadian Brigade Group (Airborne) (19 CBG [AB])
19 Canadian Brigade Group (Airborne) Headquarters and Signal Squadron (19 CBG HQ & SIGS) - Montréal
47e Régiment d'Artillerie du Canada (Légère), ARC (47e RAC [L]) - Sorel
1st Battalion, the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada (1 QOR OF C) - Toronto
1st Battalion, the Brockville Rifles (1 BROCK RIF) - Brockville
1st Battalion, the Victoria Rifles of Canada (1 VRC) - Montréal
1st Battalion, the Royal Rifles of Canada (1 RRC) - Ville de Québec
19 Combat Engineer Regiment (19 CER) - Laval
19 Service Battalion (19 SVC BN) - Montréal

23 WING
Quartier Général de la 23e Escadre (QG 23e ESCADRE) - Mirabel
199 Attack Helicopter Squadron (199 AHS) - Kingston
119e Escadron Tactique d'Hélicoptères (119e ETH) - Mirabel
221e Escadron Tactique d'Hélicoptères (221e ETH) - Ville de Québec
23e Escadron de Maintenance (Air) (23e EMA) - Mirabel

The division parachute group would be formed solely of rifle regiments, centred around the only Militia regiment that has an airborne tasking in the Canadian Army, the Queen's Own Rifles of Canada.  Two of the battalions serving here would rise from regiments on the Supplementary Order of Battle; the Victoria Rifles of Canada served from 1862-1965 while the Royal Rifles of Canada served from 1862-1966.  47e RAC is a new regiment, formed from a detached battery of the reserve element of the 46e Régiment d'Artillerie (Appui Général), ARC in Drummondville.  The supporting air wing would have one squadron of CH-172 Lakota attack helicopters and two squadrons of CH-146 Griffon tactical helicopters to provide heavy firepower and tactical transport support.  Of course, elements of 32 CBG, 33 CBG, 34e GBC and 35e GBC would help with forming the brigade, with 1 Wing (Rear) helping organized 23e Escadre.

20 Canadian Brigade Group (Light) (20 CBG [L])
20 Canadian Brigade Group (Light) Headquarters and Signal Squadron (20 CBG HQ & SIGS) - Hamilton
8th Light Artillery Regiment, RCA (8 LT REGT) - Hamilton
1st Battalion, the Perth Regiment (1 PERTH R) - Stratford
1st Battalion, the Royal Highland Fusiliers of Canada (1 RHF OF C) - Cambridge
1st Battalion, the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada (Princess Louise's) (1 ASH OF C) - Hamilton
1st Battalion, the Royal Hamilton Light Infantry (Wentworth Regiment) (1 RHLI) - Hamilton
20 Combat Engineer Regiment (20 CER) - Woodstock
20 Service Battalion (20 SVC BN) - Hamilton

24 WING
24 Wing Headquarters (24 WG HQ) - Hamilton
200 Attack Helicoper Squadron (200 AHS) - Hamilton
120 Tactical Helicoper Squadron (120 THS) - London
222 Tactical Helicoper Squadron (222 THS) - Tillsonburg
24 Air Maintenance Squadron (24 AMS) - Hamilton

The first of the three airmobile wings, 20 CBG (L) would rise from elements of 31 CBG in Ontario that weren't drawn into 11 CABG in 4th Division.  Only one infantry regiment is a returnee from the Supplementary Order of Battle; the Perth Regiment served from 1866 to 1965.  Another returnee from the Supplementary Order is the light artillery regiment; 8 LT REGT was formed as an old-old school artillery brigade in 1912, serving straight through until it became one of the last to be reduced to nil strength in 1970 after Unification.

21 Canadian Brigade Group (Light) (21 CBG [L])
21 Canadian Brigade Group (Light) Headquarters and Signal Squadron (21 CBG HQ & SIGS) - Toronto
57th Light Artillery Regiment (2nd/10th Dragoons), RCA (57 LT REGT) - Niagara Falls
1st Battalion, the Lincoln and Welland Regiment (1 LINC WELD R) - Saint Catharines
1st Battalion, the Lorne Scots (Peel, Dufferin and Halton Regiment) (1 LORNE SCOTS) - Brampton
1st Battalion, the Toronto Scottish Regiment (Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother's Own) (1 TOR SCOTS) - Toronto
1st Battalion, the Irish Regiment of Canada (1 IR RC) - Toronto
21 Combat Engineer Regiment (21 CER) - Mississauga
21 Service Battalion (21 SVC BN) - Mississauga

25 WING
25 Wing Headquarters (25 WG HQ) - Saint Catharines
191 Attack Helicopter Squadron (191 AHS) - Fort Erie
121 Tactical Helicoper Squadron (121 THS) - Markham
223 Tactical Helicoper Squadron (223 THS) - Toronto
25 Air Maintenance Squadron (25 AMS) - Saint Catharines

Formed from elements of 32 CBG not taken into 12 CABG, 21 CBG(L) would have two effective returnees from the Supplementary Order of Battle.  57 LT REGT was formed originally as a cavalry unit (note the subtitle) in 1872, serving as such until conversion to light antiaircraft artillery in 1946 and lasting until 1970.  The first battalion of the Irish Regiment of Canada is the original incarnation of the regiment, founded in 1915 in Toronto and remaining there until 1965 and reduction to nil strength; the 2nd Battalion of the Irish Regiment now in Sudbury was established from the conversion of the 58th Field Artillery Regiment RCA.

22 Canadian Brigade Group (Light) (22 CBG [L])
Quartier Général et Escadron des Transmissions de la 22e Groupe-Brigade du Canada (Légère) (QGET 22e GBC [L]) - Longueuil
50th Light Artillery Regiment (The Prince of Wales' Rangers), RCA (50 LT REGT) - Peterborough
1st Battalion, the Royal Regiment of Canada (1 R REGT C) - Toronto
1st Battalion, 48th Highlanders of Canada (1 48 HIGHRS) - Toronto
1st Battalion, the Princess of Wales' Own Regiment (1 PWOR) - Kingston
1re Bataillon, le Régiment de Joliette (1 R JOL) - Joliette
22e Régiment du Genie de Combat (22e RGC) - Longueuil
22e Bataillon des Services (22e BON SVC) - Longueuil

26 WING
26 Wing Headquarters (26 WG HQ) - Kingston
192 Attack Helicopter Squadron (192 AHS) - Kingston
122 Tactical Helicoper Squadron (122 THS) - Oshawa
224e Escadron Tactique d'Hélicoptères (224e ETH) - Notre-Dame-de-l'Île-Perrot
26 Air Maintenance Squadron (25 AMS) - Kingston

The division's final manoeuvre brigade would rise mostly from 33 CBG in eastern Ontario with some contributions from 34e GBC across the border in Québec.  Here again, two regiments are alumni of the Supplementary Order of Battle.  50 LT REGT was formed as an infantry unit way back in the year of Confederation (hence the subtitle); it would be converted to artillery in 1946 and remain on the active Militia rolls until 1970.  Le Régiment de Joliette was first established in 1871 and served until 1964.

[pyeknu]

And the division patch for 7 CD(AMBL):

[lordroel]

Apr 27, 2019 20:26:58 GMT pyeknu said:

And the division patch for 7 CD(AMBL):


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Looks nice.

Did you make them yourself ore are these original division patches.

[pyeknu]

Apr 27, 2019 23:01:25 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 27, 2019 20:26:58 GMT pyeknu said:

And the division patch for 7 CD(AMBL):

Looks nice.

Did you make them yourself ore are these original division patches.

No.  As I explained in the notes for 7th Division, the original patch is a two-colour one divided diagonally, French grey on top and green on the bottom, looking like this:



(Of course, the maple leaf would be the older multi-point style and wouldn't be bright gold)

As for the actual work, no, I didn't do the original version of this.  The original version of this crest is something I asked to have done from an artist on AH.com for my own stories.  It's this:



(BTW, this represents the 1st Canadian Air Cavalry Division; the Royal Canadian Corps of Air Cavalry are the Canadian Army's tactical aviation forces in the universe of my stories, with more emphasis on attack capabilities)

All I did for the 7 CD(AMBL) patch was put this template through Paint 3D and switched colours around.

[lordroel]

Apr 28, 2019 1:11:47 GMT pyeknu said:

Apr 27, 2019 23:01:25 GMT lordroel said:

Looks nice.

Did you make them yourself ore are these original division patches.

No.  As I explained in the notes for 7th Division, the original patch is a two-colour one divided diagonally, French grey on top and green on the bottom, looking like this:

Thanks for the answer, keep up the work.