1 Nation

[wick]

I think it will take a something world ending to unite us all. I would like to know what you think how this might happen.


What type of advancements may it bring?

[lordroel]

Nov 26, 2019 4:57:09 GMT wick said:

I think it will take a something world ending to unite us all. I would like to know what you think how this might happen.

World War III in many TLs has resulted on Earth nations uniting into one nation, but i do hoop that not happens for the foreseeable future, the World War III part that is.

[wick]

I do see world war III may cause the unity of most nations. That would put all of us at great risk because we would be 3 different groups the neutral and the 2 fighting. which will cause a type of unity ,but at what cost?

[stevep]

   wick ,

  Welcome to the site.  Possibly I'm old and cynical but I would say that what it needs for a successful world union would be something to unite against.  Whether aliens, human communities beyond the Earth or something similar.  Basically a continued perceived threat that requires unity.

  Alternatively you might have some political union before that point but I fear that, without some outside elements to prompt a need to look after the needs of the population I fear it would descend, gradually or quickly into an autocratic state.  Which hopefully would be overthrown eventually, although that's likely to be a bloody process.  Very much a believer in Acton's Law - "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

  Steve

[Zyobot]

Nov 26, 2019 10:49:07 GMT stevep said:

   wick ,

  Welcome to the site.  Possibly I'm old and cynical but I would say that what it needs for a successful world union would be something to unite against.  Whether aliens, human communities beyond the Earth or something similar.  Basically a continued perceived threat that requires unity.

  Alternatively you might have some political union before that point but I fear that, without some outside elements to prompt a need to look after the needs of the population I fear it would descend, gradually or quickly into an autocratic state.  Which hopefully would be overthrown eventually, although that's likely to be a bloody process.  Very much a believer in Acton's Law - "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

  Steve

I’m wondering if even in the case of some existential threat or another, united humanity might still bicker, squabble and downright backstab amongst itself due to both a) disagreements over how best to manage things—i.e. irreconcilable cultural differences, for example—and b) human nature in general. So, as much as I’d like to one day be proven wrong, I have a hard time believing that we’ll form something as seemingly coherent and utopian as the United Federation of Planets from Star Trek.

As such, I’m also curious as to what points in time we’re talking about here? Maybe we can’t narrow down a precise date at the moment, but a one-world government sure doesn’t sound like a reasonable proposition anytime soon (barring something ASB happening in real life, perhaps). I’m sure that’s why this thread is in ‘Future History’ in the first place, of course, but still.

[wick]

Zyobot
I'd say 100 may 75 years in the future

[Zyobot]

Nov 27, 2019 4:57:06 GMT wick said:

Zyobot
I'd say 100 may 75 years in the future

How do you figure when it comes to that specific time frame, if I may ask?

[lordroel]

Nov 27, 2019 14:35:45 GMT Zyobot said:

Nov 27, 2019 4:57:06 GMT wick said:

Zyobot
I'd say 100 may 75 years in the future

How do you figure when it comes to that specific time frame, if I may ask?

Well i doubt we will see a 1 nation on the planet, i do think we see something like a world government, but with countries still existing in one way ore another.

[Zyobot]

Nov 27, 2019 15:16:55 GMT lordroel said:

Nov 27, 2019 14:35:45 GMT Zyobot said:

How do you figure when it comes to that specific time frame, if I may ask?

Well i doubt we will see a 1 nation on the planet, i do think we see something like a world government, but with countries still existing in one way ore another.

Alright, then. By that, do you mean different countries acting as provinces governed by one, supreme global authority?

Because I’ skeptical of the idea that we’ll get a unitary world government even within the next few centuries, such as the pronounced differences in culture and local interests between separate societies.

[lordroel]

Nov 27, 2019 15:19:35 GMT Zyobot said:

such as the pronounced differences in culture and local interests between separate societies.

And that is why i do not think we will in the foreseeable future see a 1 nation on earth.

[Zyobot]

Nov 27, 2019 15:21:40 GMT lordroel said:

Nov 27, 2019 15:19:35 GMT Zyobot said:

such as the pronounced differences in culture and local interests between separate societies.

And that is why i do not think we will in the foreseeable future see a 1 nation on earth.

Yeah, I’d have figured such. As I asked before, though, what about a loose federation comprised of vastly different “nation-provinces”, though?

[lordroel]

Nov 27, 2019 16:09:58 GMT Zyobot said:

Nov 27, 2019 15:21:40 GMT lordroel said:

And that is why i do not think we will in the foreseeable future see a 1 nation on earth.

Yeah, I’d have figured such. As I asked before, though, what about a loose federation comprised of vastly different “nation-provinces”, though?

Like the United Nation ore Commonwealth, well that might work, but they are not 1 nation which i think would be something like the United States, Russian Federation ore United Kingdom.

[Zyobot]

Nov 27, 2019 16:11:38 GMT lordroel said:

Nov 27, 2019 16:09:58 GMT Zyobot said:

Yeah, I’d have figured such. As I asked before, though, what about a loose federation comprised of vastly different “nation-provinces”, though?

Like the United Nation ore Commonwealth, well that might work, but they are not 1 nation which i think would be something like the United States, Russian Federation ore United Kingdom.

Ah; I see. Out of curiosity, are there any services that this stronger, future United Nations would provide as a whole (i.e. a local military), rather than individual nation-states doing so?

Though, I suppose that different countries might field local defense forces or “National Guard” organizations of their own, at least for a while.

[lordroel]

Nov 27, 2019 16:20:36 GMT Zyobot said:

Nov 27, 2019 16:11:38 GMT lordroel said:

Like the United Nation ore Commonwealth, well that might work, but they are not 1 nation which i think would be something like the United States, Russian Federation ore United Kingdom.

Ah; I see. Out of curiosity, are there any services that this stronger, future United Nations would provide as a whole (i.e. a local military), rather than individual nation-states doing so?

Though, I suppose that different countries might field local defense forces or “National Guard” organizations of their own, at least for a while.

I think each country having some sort of “National Guard” organizations might work with a federal armed forces for the entire nation ore what ever we call it.

[Zyobot]

Nov 27, 2019 16:22:15 GMT lordroel said:

Nov 27, 2019 16:20:36 GMT Zyobot said:

Ah; I see. Out of curiosity, are there any services that this stronger, future United Nations would provide as a whole (i.e. a local military), rather than individual nation-states doing so?

Though, I suppose that different countries might field local defense forces or “National Guard” organizations of their own, at least for a while.

I think each country having some sort of “National Guard” organizations might work with a federal armed forces for the entire nation ore what ever we call it.

That sounds reasonable to me. The overarching federal authority will have its own military so that its edicts actually hold water, but individual nation-states will still field their own armed forces so that they can effectively retain some level of sovereignty. I’d be interested in speculating what kind of logistical organization, armaments and machinery each has, but then that’d be more of a world-building question that distracts from the thread’s subject matter.

Another point of inquiry to bring up is what other services might this global federation provide in respect to its constituent states, i.e. a common healthcare program with nation and locale-specific implementation?