god Has A Plan (alternate Battlestar Galactica (RDM))

[Brky2020]

The Colonials haven't even brought anyone else in on the Cylon/AI thing. Make of that what you will.

[stevep]

Jan 20, 2020 13:00:23 GMT Brky2020 said:

The Colonials haven't even brought anyone else in on the Cylon/AI thing. Make of that what you will.

  Well that could have a reaction from the allies when they find out.  Especially if something goes very wrong.

[Brky2020]

Jan 20, 2020 15:34:07 GMT stevep said:

Jan 20, 2020 13:00:23 GMT Brky2020 said:

The Colonials haven't even brought anyone else in on the Cylon/AI thing. Make of that what you will.

  Well that could have a reaction from the allies when they find out.  Especially if something goes very wrong.

Hmmmm.....

[Brky2020]

46. Lamar Alexander (D-Tennessee); Jim Clyburn (D-South Carolina); January 20, 2005-January 31, 2007
Alexander ran on a campaign of change, painting Bauer as an extremist who would send America back to Bible times in the worst ways; instead, Alexander emphasized the need for America to regain its drive and ambition and become a global leader particularly in technology, medicine and science. Alexander was the first candidate to openly discuss climate change, and he proposed a re-haul of the health care system to benefit consumers, drive down prices and give the lower classes the same quality of care the upper and middle classes were getting. He also proposed forgiveness of student loans, and free or drastically reduced tuition for state colleges to all citizens. He proposed opening Bell America, the national telephone/internet monopoly, to competiion. And he proposed the gradual elimination of the tough anti-immigration laws introduced during Watt’s first year in office and ratified when Congress reconvened in ‘83.

His greatest sin, though, was during his first State of the Union speech on January 27, 2005.

    Mister Speaker, Mister Vice-President, distinguished members of Congress, honored guests, and my fellow Americans.

    In the 19th century, a man named Alexis de Tocqueville wrote of a great experiment in a country far from where he lived, an experiment in government he said had never before been attempted. For over two hundred years, that great experiment of democracy, in the land he and we know as the United States of America, has endured. America has had numerous conflicts and challenges, be it economic, military, political or social, and each time that great experiment known as democracy has endured. We have faced threats from within and without, and we have endured. We are, in many ways, blessed, and most fortunate.

    Our economy has remained steady, and American companies are strong, despite a recession. America is in fact becoming a world leader in technology, science, and agriculture, and the American people are beginning to see the fruit of that work: affordable personal computers connected to the growing internet are in most Americans' homes, opening the common person to a world of knowledge our ancestors could only dream of. American companies are growing new crops and helping feed our own people and those of our allies. And American businesses are performing strongly at home and abroad. In many ways, we are doing well, with the promise of further growth in the foreseeable future. 
    
    The State of the Union is normally a time when the sitting President breaks down what he thinks the direction of the country should be for the next year. I will briefly review what I spoke of during my inaugural address, before looking towards our future ...

    ... And now I come to what I consider to be the most important part of this speech, one I feel a great urgency to address, because I wish nothing more than for America to be great and prosperous and free, and I know you do too. As I have said already, in many ways we are doing well, and yet, in many ways, we are not as well as we think we are.
    
        Last year, the American people rejected a vision, full of paranoia and extremism. The American people made a statement: we are a proud, good, people, a people of faith, and we want to live our lives in peace and free from extremism at home and from abroad. I propose, however, we have not arrived at the finish line. We in fact have much farther to go, and that will require serious introspection and some hard choices of us individually and as a country. ...

    ...Lincoln said, in his Gettysburg Address, that 'all men are created equal'. We claim that every American is equal under God. And yet, we have not treated all men, and women, and children, as equal. Historically, and even now. 

    The African-Americans who have remained here are, in many ways, not as equal as whites. Those who hold to a liberal political view are tolerated yet ostracized. Those who do not hold to specific views of Christianity, in certain towns, cities, and counties throughout America are locked out of jobs and housing. We are equal, and yet we are not. That is a hard, and difficult truth, for many of us to hear, but it is the truth. ...

    ...President Watt's plan that resulted in the deaths of at least two million people and the exile of 34 million more has created a gaping wound in our nation's fabric that is infested with the gangrene of mistrust, intolerance and hatred. Sending them away, as one popular news commentator glibly said recently, does not heal that division. It exacerbates it. ...

    We must reconcile with our people whom we exiled and whose families and loved ones died during the long days of terror that wracked this nation. It means we repent of the national sins we committed during that time, and since. It means we bring all of our people home, those who will come, and make restitution to them and to those who wish to stay where they are now. How they respond, short of violence or insurrection, is not our place to dictate: we must be strong enough to accept their hurt, their anger, their pain, and not only learn, but change.

    We call ourselves a Christian nation. Yet, we have sinned, against the outside world, and we have sinned against ourselves, those who have stayed, and those we have exiled, and most importantly we have sinned against our Lord and Savior. We are supposed to be a city on a hill, founded to shine the light of the gospel and the light of freedom and liberty. We have become a nation of extremists, twisting the love of God and the word of God to demonize, exile and kill all who disagree with us, and we have built a fortress among us that has become our prison. We are not protecting ourselves from the evils of the world. We have dug our heads into the ground and we pretend that all is well when it most certainly is not. Our isolationism must end, and the extremism that has found fertile ground within it to grow must be extracted with extreme prejudice if we are to return to what we once were. We are lost, and I fear if we do not find our way back that we will fall, or others -- out of necessity, or profit, or opportunity -- will overcome us and end the grand experiment that began in 1776.

    My fellow Americans, we must repent, and we cannot delay. My fellow Congressmen, I urge you to work with me in the coming days, weeks and months as I do my part to help this country that i love find its way, and I urge you to do your part as well. We have survived a civil war, two world wars, a depression, and a long dark night of the soul and we, despite our problems, still stand as a nation.

    de Tocqueville said, and I quote, 'America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, she will cease to be great'. I love America, as I know you do, and together we can forge a new path that reconciles us with our own brothers and sisters and with the rest of the world, and affirms that, at our core, we are good, and by being good, we will continue to be great. May God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America.

During the speech, 43 Congressmen and 26 Senators — 60 Republicans, nine conservative Democrats from the very red Deep South — walked out.

The next day, the plotters began to plan on how to remove “this rogue” from the White House.

The media began to paint Alexander as a “pro-radical, pro-Shakur, pro-atheist, pro-Sodomite” leftist who wanted to, among other things, sell white females to African-American expatriates as “part of his renumerations”; turn over the military and the nuclear weapons to United Nations peacekeepers; and “rewrite the Constitution...forcing Christianity into the woods and replacing churches with mosques, Colonial temples and homosexual baths”. The GOP still enjoyed a majority in both houses of Congress, and thwarted Alexander and his Democratic allies at every turn. But it backfired when Hurricane Kari hit Louisiana and South Texas in August 2005; New Orleans and Houston flooded, leaving hundreds of thousands of people homeless. Alexander begged Congress to ratify a desperately needed aid package; in turn, GOP leadership ignored him and ‘ordered’ church pastors and members to ‘empty their wallets’ and fund relief on their own. It angered people, not the least being Texas Governor David Dewhurst and the business communities of Houston and New Orleans — all staunch GOP supporters.

With the loss of over 20,000 lives and the human toll growing by the hour, Congress ratified the aid package (one including Russian government aid, and ‘limited’ oversight), and Alexander signed it into law.

In August 2006, the anti-Alexander forces found the silver bullet they had been looking for.

The Caprican Times published a story verifying CIA funding and support for Sagittaron independence terrorist groups and pro-American politicians within the Sagittaron Unicameral and its colonial government. The captured agents admitted to doing so with the goal of forcing Sagittaron independence towards applying for, and receiving, American statehood. Although the Colonial government found no U.S. involvement beyond the CIA, the incident raised tensions between the two countries. Alexander ordered the U.S. military (who strongly supported him) to DEFCON Two, and the Colonial military in turn raised its readiness to Condition Two.

Although Alexander had no knowledge of an operation intended by the CIA to be kept in-house, he took full responsibility for it. He offered to meet with his counterpart in a summit “anywhere in the world” to rectify the deteriorating situation and begin to make amends between the two countries, once allies, now hostile neighbors.

The summit was tentatively scheduled for October in neutral Singapore. Then American media begin to publish alliegations that Alexander personally authorized “a black ops group” to fund and train the Sons of Ares — one of the most notorious Sagittaron independence terrorist groups — with the aim of invading the Colonies. The anti-Alexander media immediately spun the allegations as “recklessly...pushing the nation into a cataclysmic nuclear war” and “funding murderous terrorists to gain a foothold in another country’s territory”. The Colonials themselves could not verify any part of the rumors, but that didn’t prevent the House from opening an inquiry into impeaching the President.

With evidence that outside observers called “dubious at best” and “outright farcical”, the inquiry stage went forward. On Christmas Eve, the House approved 21 articles of impeachment, the vote going along party lines. The Senate trial was held in January 2007, and Alexander convicted by a 70-30 vote (with seven Democrats voting to convict) on January 31. That immediately removed Alexander from office; before the second vote on disqualifying him from further holding a federal office position, Vice-President Jim Clyburn was brought to the Senate floor to be sworn in by Chief Justice Clarence Thomas. The Senate then voted on disqualification, but only 41 Senators voted to disqualify. Still, it didn’t matter, as Alexander was in effect a political pariah; he would never hold any political position again, and returned to his native Tennessee to resume his career as a lawyer.

[Brky2020]

COLONIAL DEMOGRAPHICS BY RELIGION
Source: Colonial Department of Statistics, 2015

Kobolian (Colonial) Faith 46.3%
    * Gemenese (23.2%)
    * Orthodox Sagittaron (11.4%)
    * Moderate (7.7%)
    * Liberal (4.0%)
Christianity 19.5%
    * Roman Catholicism (5.5%)
    * Protestantism (11.9%)
        **Mainline ((3.5%))
        **Evangelical ((6.9%))
        **Fundamentalism ((.3%)
        **Other ((1.2%)
    * Orthodoxy 1.4%
    * Latter Day Saints .7%
Buddhism 5.5%
Judaism 4.1%
Islam 2.4%
Mithraism 3.3%
Hindu 1.5%
Monad .3%
Athenaism .4%
Paganism .9%
Taoism .2%
Sikhism .1%
Wiccan .4%
Satanism .05%
Jainism .05%
Baha’i .05%
Rastafarianism .05%
Other 19.9%

[lordroel]

Jan 26, 2020 0:09:36 GMT Brky2020 said:

COLONIAL DEMOGRAPHICS BY RELIGION
Source: Colonial Department of Statistics, 2015

Kobolian (Colonial) Faith 46.3%
    * Gemenese (23.2%)
    * Orthodox Sagittaron (11.4%)
    * Moderate (7.7%)
    * Liberal (4.0%)
Christianity 19.5%
    * Roman Catholicism (5.5%)
    * Protestantism (11.9%)
        **Mainline ((3.5%))
        **Evangelical ((6.9%))
        **Fundamentalism ((.3%)
        **Other ((1.2%)
    * Orthodoxy 1.4%
    * Latter Day Saints .7%
Buddhism 5.5%
Judaism 4.1%
Islam 2.4%
Mithraism 3.3%
Hindu 1.5%
Monad .3%
Athenaism .4%
Paganism .9%
Taoism .2%
Sikhism .1%
Wiccan .4%
Satanism .05%
Jainism .05%
Baha’i .05%
Rastafarianism .05%
Other 19.9%

Interesting, so even in Kobolian (Colonial) Faith there are different  denominations if i am correct. 

[stevep]

   Brky2020 ,

   Well he tried but I had a feeling he wouldn't serve a full term.   At least it didn't end in a bullet as I was expecting but given the hate campaign against him I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't last long out of power.

   Steve

[Brky2020]

Jan 26, 2020 10:30:04 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 26, 2020 0:09:36 GMT Brky2020 said:

COLONIAL DEMOGRAPHICS BY RELIGION
Source: Colonial Department of Statistics, 2015

Kobolian (Colonial) Faith 46.3%
    * Gemenese (23.2%)
    * Orthodox Sagittaron (11.4%)
    * Moderate (7.7%)
    * Liberal (4.0%)
Christianity 19.5%
    * Roman Catholicism (5.5%)
    * Protestantism (11.9%)
        **Mainline ((3.5%))
        **Evangelical ((6.9%))
        **Fundamentalism ((.3%)
        **Other ((1.2%)
    * Orthodoxy 1.4%
    * Latter Day Saints .7%
Buddhism 5.5%
Judaism 4.1%
Islam 2.4%
Mithraism 3.3%
Hindu 1.5%
Monad .3%
Athenaism .4%
Paganism .9%
Taoism .2%
Sikhism .1%
Wiccan .4%
Satanism .05%
Jainism .05%
Baha’i .05%
Rastafarianism .05%
Other 19.9%

Interesting, so even in Kobolian (Colonial) Faith there are different  denominations if i am correct. 

Kobolian Faith/Colonial Faith/COlonial Religion/Kobolianism/pagans/heathens/however else you want to describe it is more like Mormonism in terms of being a single church. There are variations of it, of course, including small splinter groups.

[Brky2020]

Jan 26, 2020 12:11:49 GMT stevep said:

   Brky2020 ,

   Well he tried but I had a feeling he wouldn't serve a full term.   At least it didn't end in a bullet as I was expecting but given the hate campaign against him I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't last long out of power.

   Steve

Killing him was off the table. 

Sending him off to be a contrarian at Vanderbilt was decided as the best choice after getting him out. 

That will set the stage for a two-year lame-duck administration, then a game-changing (for the GOP) Presidency, complete with some awful campaign music....

[Brky2020]

[Brky2020]

Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Dennis Hasbett, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Alan Keyes, Haley Barbour, Tom Ridge, Charlie Crist, TIm Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal, Buddy Roemer, Carly Fiorina, Clint Eastwood, Richard Petty, Sarah Palin.

[lordroel]

Jan 29, 2020 11:15:41 GMT Brky2020 said:

Mike Huckabee, Ron Paul, Rick Santorum, Fred Thompson, Rudy Giuliani, Dennis Hasbett, Sam Brownback, Jim Gilmore, Alan Keyes, Haley Barbour, Tom Ridge, Charlie Crist, TIm Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal, Buddy Roemer, Carly Fiorina, Clint Eastwood, Richard Petty, Sarah Palin.

And what do all these names have in common Brky2020.

[Brky2020]

See below.

[Brky2020]

47. Jim Clyburn (D-South Carolina); January 31, 2007-January 20, 2007
Clyburn was the first African-American to hold the highest office in the country, a historical note that gets overlooked still due to the lame-duck nature of his Presidency. All he could do politically was resist bill after bill sent to him by the GOP-dominated Congress; because he eventually signed many of those bills in the greater interest of the country, the Democratic National Committee turned against him and began courting others to run in 2008.

Clyburn's first act in office, though, was to select a Vice President, not just to maintain continuity of government but to put one more layer of Democrat in the line in case something happened to him. Senate Minority Leader Jay Rockefeller (D-West Virginia) and Senator Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin) rejected him, as both had their own Presidential aspirations for '08. Representative Charlie Rangel (D-New York) -- the highest ranking member of the Black Congressional Caucus, and suspected by the FBI of having some kind of involvement in the Underground Railroad spiriting young Americans to Canada and the Colonies -- declined as well before the press could tear both Clyburn and the Democrats apart over Rangel. Fellow South Carolinian and Democrat, Representative John Spratt, almost accepted but backed out at the last minute. The Republicans "graciously" offered up one of their own -- retiring Senator D. James Kennedy (R-Florida), who was serving out his term before going into retirement -- as a VP, but Clyburn declined: the VP would be a Democrat. The GOP came back and said in essence, find someone who can run the nation in case you can't, and who won't be a threat to any of our candidates for '08. Clyburn whittled down his list, and one man agreed: Wendell Ford, 83 years old, the former Kentucky Democratic Governor and Senator who had retired to Owensboro, Kentucky to teach at the Owensboro Museum of Science and History. While the press decried Clyburn for "going to the graveyard" to find a candidate, Ford was approved, and, due to his age, spent much of his time back in Owensboro.

Clyburn's Presidency was such that GOP Senate leader Bill Frist and GOP House leader Tom DeLay effectively spoke for the country; Clyburn himself spoke mainly for himself, and those citizens without a voice in the GOP and Christian-dominated political machine, most notably the African-American community. By the end of his term, Clyburn had advocated such radical ideas as gay marriage, the right of adults to have legal sex changes, universal health care, the increase of the minimum wage to $13.50 an hour and the turning away from coal to nuclear energy.

After he left office, Clyburn began to work officially for the NAACP (National Association of the Advancement of Colored People), choosing to work for change within the system, especially as he himself came under increased FBI surveillance for "potential pro-Colonial and pro-Canadian activities". Those last charges never stuck, but as of 2019 he was still closely watched by the Bureau.

During Clyburn's last year in office, both parties geared up for the 2008 Presidential campaign. The Democratic slate was headed by Rockefeller, Feingold, businessman Herb Kohl, former candidate-turned-businessman Bill Clinton, and Representatives Blanche Lincoln and Debbie Stabenow. The GOP slate included Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, Senator Ron Paul, Congressman Rick Santorum, Congressman Fred Thompson, New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, actor Clint Eastwood, Congressman Dennis Hasbert, former VP Sam Brownback, NASCAR legend Richard Petty and other, among them Jim Gilmore, Alan Keyes, Haley Barbour, Tom Ridge, Charlie Crist, TIm Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal, Buddy Roemer, businesswoman Carly Fiorina, and Alaska governor Sarah Palin.

Meanwhile in Canada, an agreement had been reached among members of the American diaspora to form an American shadow government, with a President, VP, cabinet and Congress. IT would have its own party nominations, and elections, initially out of Ottawa.

[stevep]

Jan 30, 2020 11:36:00 GMT Brky2020 said:

47. Jim Clyburn (D-South Carolina); January 31, 2007-January 20, 2007
Clyburn was the first African-American to hold the highest office in the country, a historical note that gets overlooked still due to the lame-duck nature of his Presidency. All he could do politically was resist bill after bill sent to him by the GOP-dominated Congress; because he eventually signed many of those bills in the greater interest of the country, the Democratic National Committee turned against him and began courting others to run in 2008.

Clyburn's first act in office, though, was to select a Vice President, not just to maintain continuity of government but to put one more layer of Democrat in the line in case something happened to him. Senate Minority Leader Jay Rockefeller (D-West Virginia) and Senator Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin) rejected him, as both had their own Presidential aspirations for '08. Representative Charlie Rangel (D-New York) -- the highest ranking member of the Black Congressional Caucus, and suspected by the FBI of having some kind of involvement in the Underground Railroad spiriting young Americans to Canada and the Colonies -- declined as well before the press could tear both Clyburn and the Democrats apart over Rangel. Fellow South Carolinian and Democrat, Representative John Spratt, almost accepted but backed out at the last minute. The Republicans "graciously" offered up one of their own -- retiring Senator D. James Kennedy (R-Florida), who was serving out his term before going into retirement -- as a VP, but Clyburn declined: the VP would be a Democrat. The GOP came back and said in essence, find someone who can run the nation in case you can't, and who won't be a threat to any of our candidates for '08. Clyburn whittled down his list, and one man agreed: Wendell Ford, 83 years old, the former Kentucky Democratic Governor and Senator who had retired to Owensboro, Kentucky to teach at the Owensboro Museum of Science and History. While the press decried Clyburn for "going to the graveyard" to find a candidate, Ford was approved, and, due to his age, spent much of his time back in Owensboro.

Clyburn's Presidency was such that GOP Senate leader Bill Frist and GOP House leader Tom DeLay effectively spoke for the country; Clyburn himself spoke mainly for himself, and those citizens without a voice in the GOP and Christian-dominated political machine, most notably the African-American community. By the end of his term, Clyburn had advocated such radical ideas as gay marriage, the right of adults to have legal sex changes, universal health care, the increase of the minimum wage to $13.50 an hour and the turning away from coal to nuclear energy.

After he left office, Clyburn began to work officially for the NAACP (National Association of the Advancement of Colored People), choosing to work for change within the system, especially as he himself came under increased FBI surveillance for "potential pro-Colonial and pro-Canadian activities". Those last charges never stuck, but as of 2019 he was still closely watched by the Bureau.

During Clyburn's last year in office, both parties geared up for the 2008 Presidential campaign. The Democratic slate was headed by Rockefeller, Feingold, businessman Herb Kohl, former candidate-turned-businessman Bill Clinton, and Representatives Blanche Lincoln and Debbie Stabenow. The GOP slate included Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, Senator Ron Paul, Congressman Rick Santorum, Congressman Fred Thompson, New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, actor Clint Eastwood, Congressman Dennis Hasbert, former VP Sam Brownback, NASCAR legend Richard Petty and other, among them Jim Gilmore, Alan Keyes, Haley Barbour, Tom Ridge, Charlie Crist, TIm Pawlenty, Bobby Jindal, Buddy Roemer, businesswoman Carly Fiorina, and Alaska governor Sarah Palin.

Meanwhile in Canada, an agreement had been reached among members of the American diaspora to form an American shadow government, with a President, VP, cabinet and Congress. IT would have its own party nominations, and elections, initially out of Ottawa.

Brky2020,

  Interesting that assorted potential Democrat candidates for 2008 think their position would be worsened by a spell as vice-President?  That does sounds a bit strange or was Clyburn seen as too much of a dead in the water president which might taint them by association?

  Steve