Oswald gets both Kennedy and LBJ in Dallas?

[James G]

Lee Harvey Oswald opened fire on the motorcade in Dallas on Nov. 1963 when Kennedy was in one car while behind Vice President Johnson was in the other. Texas Governor Connally was hit (and survived) but let us say LBJ is struck and killed instead.

The US gets a new president - not sure who that would be - but how will the future go for the country afterwards? I'm thinking about the '64 election, Vietnam and important civil rights legislation in the following years.
Bad times for the US? Or a positive new direction?

[lordroel]

Apr 3, 2020 19:17:59 GMT James G said:

Lee Harvey Oswald opened fire on the motorcade in Dallas on Nov. 1963 when Kennedy was in one car while behind Vice President Johnson was in the other. Texas Governor Connally was hit (and survived) but let us say LBJ is struck and killed instead.

The US gets a new president - not sure who that would be - but how will the future go for the country afterwards? I'm thinking about the '64 election, Vietnam and important civil rights legislation in the following years.
Bad times for the US? Or a positive new direction?

That means Oswald is a dam good sniper to hit both JFK and LBJ so fast while moving in separate cars.

[James G]

Apr 3, 2020 19:48:05 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 3, 2020 19:17:59 GMT James G said:

Lee Harvey Oswald opened fire on the motorcade in Dallas on Nov. 1963 when Kennedy was in one car while behind Vice President Johnson was in the other. Texas Governor Connally was hit (and survived) but let us say LBJ is struck and killed instead.

The US gets a new president - not sure who that would be - but how will the future go for the country afterwards? I'm thinking about the '64 election, Vietnam and important civil rights legislation in the following years.
Bad times for the US? Or a positive new direction?

That means Oswald is a dam good sniper to hit both JFK and LBJ so fast while moving in separate cars.

Ah damn.  I thought they were in the same car but just read that Connally was with Kennedy.

[lordroel]

Apr 3, 2020 20:02:53 GMT James G said:

Apr 3, 2020 19:48:05 GMT lordroel said:

That means Oswald is a dam good sniper to hit both JFK and LBJ so fast while moving in separate cars.

Ah damn.  I thought they were in the same car but just read that Connally was with Kennedy.

Do not think they will for safety reason put JFK and LBJ in the same car.

[insect]

If johnson had been struck by a secret service agents bullet which almost happened in real life.house speaker macormack would be president until january 20 1965 .

[gillan1220]

I wonder how the House Speaker would lead America here. Indeed a very different world from ours.

[lordroel]

Jun 4, 2020 13:36:08 GMT gillan1220 said:

I wonder how the House Speaker would lead America here. Indeed a very different world from ours.

That would be John W. McCormack then, but i toughed the Secretary of state would be the third in line.

[stevep]

Jun 4, 2020 14:53:59 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 4, 2020 13:36:08 GMT gillan1220 said:

I wonder how the House Speaker would lead America here. Indeed a very different world from ours.

That would be John W. McCormack then, but i toughed the Secretary of state would be the third in line.

  Yes but this is if both Kennedy and Johnson died, which means he's now President.  Looking at his wiki entry John_W._McCormack, he was a support of the New Deal and Great Society ideas so would probably have driven for the ending of racial segregation as Johnson did.  Also he was a staunch anti-communist and supported the Vietnam war.  As such probably not a great amount would change and I doubt he would have stood for reelection as President in 1964 so it would depend on who was the new President then?

[lordroel]

Jun 5, 2020 12:00:10 GMT stevep said:

Jun 4, 2020 14:53:59 GMT lordroel said:

That would be John W. McCormack then, but i toughed the Secretary of state would be the third in line.

  Yes but this is if both Kennedy and Johnson died, which means he's now President.  Looking at his wiki entry John_W._McCormack, he was a support of the New Deal and Great Society ideas so would probably have driven for the ending of racial segregation as Johnson did.  Also he was a staunch anti-communist and supported the Vietnam war.  As such probably not a great amount would change and I doubt he would have stood for reelection as President in 1964 so it would depend on who was the new President then?

Well in OTL 1864 election Pat Brown of California, Governor George Wallace of Alabama, Los Angeles Mayor Sam Yorty of California, Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona tried to run, so maybe they will still try to run in this 1964 election if John W. McCormack decides not to run for office. 

[stevep]

Jun 5, 2020 19:24:51 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 5, 2020 12:00:10 GMT stevep said:

  Yes but this is if both Kennedy and Johnson died, which means he's now President.  Looking at his wiki entry John_W._McCormack, he was a support of the New Deal and Great Society ideas so would probably have driven for the ending of racial segregation as Johnson did.  Also he was a staunch anti-communist and supported the Vietnam war.  As such probably not a great amount would change and I doubt he would have stood for reelection as President in 1964 so it would depend on who was the new President then?

Well in OTL 1864 election Pat Brown of California, Governor George Wallace of Alabama, Los Angeles Mayor Sam Yorty of California, Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona tried to run, so maybe they will still try to run in this 1964 election if John W. McCormack decides not to run for office. 

  Are you talking of Democrats only or of all candidates as Goldwater was Republican?  Also in Johnson was killed, removing him as sitting president in 1964 might Robert Kennedy possibly try and run in under such circumstances?

[lordroel]

Jun 6, 2020 10:28:48 GMT stevep said:

Jun 5, 2020 19:24:51 GMT lordroel said:

Well in OTL 1864 election Pat Brown of California, Governor George Wallace of Alabama, Los Angeles Mayor Sam Yorty of California, Senator Barry Goldwater of Arizona tried to run, so maybe they will still try to run in this 1964 election if John W. McCormack decides not to run for office. 

  Are you talking of Democrats only or of all candidates as Goldwater was Republican?  Also in Johnson was killed, removing him as sitting president in 1964 might Robert Kennedy possibly try and run in under such circumstances?

I used the names i found in the 1964 United States presidential election Wikipedia article,

Did not think about Robert Kennedy, but a year after his brother was assassinated, is that not a bit to early to have a new Kennedy run for office.

[stevep]

Jun 6, 2020 10:33:11 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 6, 2020 10:28:48 GMT stevep said:

  Are you talking of Democrats only or of all candidates as Goldwater was Republican?  Also in Johnson was killed, removing him as sitting president in 1964 might Robert Kennedy possibly try and run in under such circumstances?

I used the names i found in the 1964 United States presidential election Wikipedia article,

Did not think about Robert Kennedy, but a year after his brother was assassinated, is that not a bit to early to have a new Kennedy run for office.

  Possibly but he was a prominent member of JFK's administration and could seek some sympathy vote fairly soon after the assassination. 

[lordroel]

Jun 6, 2020 10:51:49 GMT stevep said:

Jun 6, 2020 10:33:11 GMT lordroel said:

I used the names i found in the 1964 United States presidential election Wikipedia article,

Did not think about Robert Kennedy, but a year after his brother was assassinated, is that not a bit to early to have a new Kennedy run for office.

  Possibly but he was a prominent member of JFK's administration and could seek some sympathy vote fairly soon after the assassination. 

So elected due to sympathy voting, is that fair.

[stevep]

Jun 6, 2020 11:03:06 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 6, 2020 10:51:49 GMT stevep said:

  Possibly but he was a prominent member of JFK's administration and could seek some sympathy vote fairly soon after the assassination. 

So elected due to sympathy voting, is that fair.

  Not saying that would occur or that it would be that large but it might well be a factor, whether fair or not. 

[lordroel]

Jun 6, 2020 13:44:54 GMT stevep said:

Jun 6, 2020 11:03:06 GMT lordroel said:

So elected due to sympathy voting, is that fair.

  Not saying that would occur or that it would be that large but it might well be a factor, whether fair or not. 

Well he might have the risk as being the brother off and not being what he stands for.