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Post by lordroel on Jun 14, 2020 13:53:33 GMT
Good sites, thanks.
Based on the US Atlantic fleet, and with the Pre-Dreadnoughts being withdrawn, I could see this for US dispositions:
South Carolina
Michigan
Utah
Florida
Delaware
North Dakota
Pennsylvania [FF]
Oklahoma
Arizona
Nevada
Frederick
Huntington
Pueblo
St. Louis
Maybe a couple more armored cruisers and New York and Texas come to the Atlantic to give the US an advantage in numbers.... I could see the US Pacific Fleet going after Fiji, New Caledonia and Espiritu Santo
Still leaves 10 battleships in the Pacific... What do the French do about a split between the Med and Atlantic? Abandon the Med? Abandon the Atlantic, pull everything to Toulon to try to preserve the fleet for post-war?
My thoughts,
Not Fiji as that's a British protectorate.  Not sure the French can actually do anything than fight with what forces they have in the theatre they have already there, as the Spanish did. Their way to weak to have a stand up fight with the US in the Caribbean, and probably not in the Pacific either although logistics might limit the US as well as the French there. Defending against US attacks into Europe or possibly their colonies in W Africa or FIC would be a different matter possibly but they lack the forces to go head to head with the USN anywhere it can deploy its full strength. Steve
And even at full strength, the French are outnumberd on the sea, i think only in the air and land they might have a advantage. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 14, 2020 14:06:48 GMT
Not Fiji as that's a British protectorate. Not sure the French can actually do anything than fight with what forces they have in the theatre they have already there, as the Spanish did. Their way to weak to have a stand up fight with the US in the Caribbean, and probably not in the Pacific either although logistics might limit the US as well as the French there. Defending against US attacks into Europe or possibly their colonies in W Africa or FIC would be a different matter possibly but they lack the forces to go head to head with the USN anywhere it can deploy its full strength. Steve
And even at full strength, the French are outnumberd on the sea, i think only in the air and land they might have a advantage.
In Europe and possibly initially in their colonies although a lot would depend on where. If the US is determined for a long war - although the source for such a combat seems unlikely - then anywhere outside France itself and probably FNA/Syria could be vulnerable if the US fully mobilses.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 14, 2020 14:13:54 GMT
And even at full strength, the French are outnumberd on the sea, i think only in the air and land they might have a advantage. In Europe and possibly initially in their colonies although a lot would depend on where. If the US is determined for a long war - although the source for such a combat seems unlikely - then anywhere outside France itself and probably FNA/Syria could be vulnerable if the US fully mobilses.
And we know what the United States is capable of when fully mobilize, but i doubt they would invade French Africa, there is nothing to gain for them there, the French Caribbean, French Guyana and the French possession in the Pacific will be focus for them. |
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Post by 1bigrich on Jun 14, 2020 14:17:26 GMT
Not Fiji as that's a British protectorate.
Not sure the French can actually do anything than fight with what forces they have in the theatre they have already there, as the Spanish did. Their way to weak to have a stand up fight with the US in the Caribbean, and probably not in the Pacific either although logistics might limit the US as well as the French there. Defending against US attacks into Europe or possibly their colonies in W Africa or FIC would be a different matter possibly but they lack the forces to go head to head with the USN anywhere it can deploy its full strength.
Steve
LOL! You're right Steve! I was thinking Tahiti and my brain went to Fiji instead. If I had remember the Colony class cruiser or Paul Gauguin, I wouldn't have made that mistake!!
Regards,
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Post by stevep on Jun 14, 2020 17:12:24 GMT
Not Fiji as that's a British protectorate.
Not sure the French can actually do anything than fight with what forces they have in the theatre they have already there, as the Spanish did. Their way to weak to have a stand up fight with the US in the Caribbean, and probably not in the Pacific either although logistics might limit the US as well as the French there. Defending against US attacks into Europe or possibly their colonies in W Africa or FIC would be a different matter possibly but they lack the forces to go head to head with the USN anywhere it can deploy its full strength.
Steve
LOL! You're right Steve! I was thinking Tahiti and my brain went to Fiji instead. If I had remember the Colony class cruiser or Paul Gauguin, I wouldn't have made that mistake!!
Regards,
No problem. Those things happen. Had this mental image of an American naval force assembling off Fiji and a small boat sailing and out say "Guys are you sure your in the right place?" |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 14, 2020 18:01:45 GMT
LOL! You're right Steve! I was thinking Tahiti and my brain went to Fiji instead. If I had remember the Colony class cruiser or Paul Gauguin, I wouldn't have made that mistake!! Regards, No problem. Those things happen. Had this mental image of an American naval force assembling off Fiji and a small boat sailing and out say "Guys are you sure your in the right place?" I think Puerto Rico is better for a US fleet to assemble (if they need more reinforcements fro the US Pacific Fleet), also who want to invade Fiji, except in a other thread we have on the forum. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 14, 2020 20:22:16 GMT
No problem. Those things happen. Had this mental image of an American naval force assembling off Fiji and a small boat sailing and out say "Guys are you sure your in the right place?" I think Puerto Rico is better for a US fleet to assemble (if they need more reinforcements fro the US Pacific Fleet), also who want to invade Fiji, except in a other thread we have on the forum.
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Post by ukron on Jun 15, 2020 14:23:09 GMT
from the naval point of view, it is obvious that the US navy wins, at ground level, the French army has a clear superiority, using tanks and modern logistics (the same which ironically will make it defect in 1940), organized on troops of veterans. I rather see a successful US invasion of Guyana and the Caribbean, with possible massive landing of American troops in Indochina. at the time Indochina is the only economically viable colony of France, thanks to rubber, which means that France will probably try massively to deploy troops there. New Caledonia is interesting for a landing but already at the time well defended by elements of the Legion.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 15, 2020 15:06:19 GMT
from the naval point of view, it is obvious that the US navy wins, at ground level, the French army has a clear superiority, using tanks and modern logistics (the same which ironically will make it defect in 1940), organized on troops of veterans. I rather see a successful US invasion of Guyana and the Caribbean, with possible massive landing of American troops in Indochina. at the time Indochina is the only economically viable colony of France, thanks to rubber, which means that France will probably try massively to deploy troops there. New Caledonia is interesting for a landing but already at the time well defended by elements of the Legion. The French and the United States use the same light tank in the form of the Renault FT (the United states has the American version of it called the M1917 light tank ). |
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