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Post by stevep on Jun 14, 2020 20:54:58 GMT
Yes but knowing your nearest neighbours are rabidly hostile isn't reassuring.  Well they send the signal in 2006 and the Regents arrived in 2012, thus if we say a signal takes 3 years to get to the Regents home world and then maybe 1 year for them to study it and prepare a scout fleet and 2 years travel to Earth then it will take until 2015 before the Regents to wonder why the scout fleet did not send a signal back and then some time to decide what they want to do, it could be 2020 when we see a larger Regent fleet arrive, give ore take a year.
However wherever the Regents are their at least 4 light years away. That's the distance to the closest star, Proxima_Centauri. This is a small red dwarf so is unlikely to harbour life and similarly the slightly more distant is Alpha Centuri is a multiple star. As such even if they had almost instantaneous FTL travel and sent a scouting force almost straight away on receiving it they would have to be within 6 light years. Checking there are 12 stars within 10 light years. and looking down the list at the bottom of the page only the three Centuri ones and Bernard's Star within that range. Rather to my surprise their suggesting that Alpha Centuri A & B are in suitable orbits that they don't really disrupt each others habitable zone. This would mean that an habitable Earth type planet might have been possible here.
Hence unless your assuming the message from Earth traveled faster than light the only possible site for the Regent's home world is the Alpha Centuri system and they would have had to have FLT travel to get to Earth in time for the attack in the film. It would have been better to suggest that they had picked up say radio or TV transmissions which Earth has been sending out for about a century and that's how they detected Earth.
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 16, 2020 17:38:01 GMT
I saw in one of the news footage Barack Obama appeared addressing the American people from the Oval Office. I'm curious how this will affect the November 2012 elections. And to add, how will this affect the 2014 midterms and the 2016 presidential elections.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 16, 2020 17:42:07 GMT
I saw in one of the news footage Barack Obama appeared addressing the American people from the Oval Office. I'm curious how this will affect the November 2012 elections. And to add, how will this affect the 2014 midterms and the 2016 presidential elections. Well more funding will go to NASA, also a House ore Senate investigation will happen i think. Think Obama will still get re elected. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 16, 2020 17:45:48 GMT
I saw in one of the news footage Barack Obama appeared addressing the American people from the Oval Office. I'm curious how this will affect the November 2012 elections. And to add, how will this affect the 2014 midterms and the 2016 presidential elections. Well more funding will go to NASA, also a House ore Senate investigation will happen i think. Think Obama will still get re elected. This is will also probably see more joint-explorations with Russia and the ISS. Back home at earth, would the wars in Syria and the Middle East simply disappear overnight just like Independence Day and Armageddon? Or will it continue with no significant changes? |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 16, 2020 17:51:55 GMT
Well more funding will go to NASA, also a House ore Senate investigation will happen i think. Think Obama will still get re elected. This is will also probably see more joint-explorations with Russia and the ISS. Back home at earth, would the wars in Syria and the Middle East simply disappear overnight just like Independence Day and Armageddon? Or will it continue with no significant changes? Do not forget China, nations will spend a lot of money do develop a early warning system in space to monitor the space where the Regents home world is, just to keep a eye for new arrivals. Do not think it will change much in wars, unlike Independence Day which was a global conflict, this conflict was only centered on the crash in Hong Kong and the fighting in and around Hawaii. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 16, 2020 18:00:45 GMT
This is will also probably see more joint-explorations with Russia and the ISS. Back home at earth, would the wars in Syria and the Middle East simply disappear overnight just like Independence Day and Armageddon? Or will it continue with no significant changes? Do not forget China, nations will spend a lot of money do develop a early warning system in space to monitor the space where the Regents home world is, just to keep a eye for new arrivals. Do not think it will change much in wars, unlike Independence Day which was a global conflict, this conflict was only centered on the crash in Hong Kong and the fighting in and around Hawaii. I could see it somehow ease some tensions with Russia and China during this period of strained relations in the early 2010s under the Obama administration. Plus in OTL, the Russian Navy did participate in RIMPAC 2012 despite the disagreements over Russia's support of the Assad regime. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 16, 2020 18:01:49 GMT
Do not forget China, nations will spend a lot of money do develop a early warning system in space to monitor the space where the Regents home world is, just to keep a eye for new arrivals. Do not think it will change much in wars, unlike Independence Day which was a global conflict, this conflict was only centered on the crash in Hong Kong and the fighting in and around Hawaii. I could see it somehow ease some tensions with Russia and China during this period of strained relations in the early 2010s under the Obama administration. Plus in OTL, the Russian Navy did participate in RIMPAC 2012 despite the disagreements over Russia's support of the Assad regime. It will ease for a period, but after that, things will return to normal. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 17, 2020 7:39:30 GMT
Perhaps Trump presidency is butterfied away here. So is the Benghazi incident.
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Post by stevep on Jun 17, 2020 12:20:54 GMT
Perhaps Trump presidency is butterfied away here. So is the Benghazi incident.
I suspect it might well be. There's going to be a clear sense of an external threat that dwarves all others which is likely to create a reaction against the divisive trends that have only worsened since so the more divisive characters are likely to become even more unpopular. Trump at the time was still trying to spread anti-Obama fables, such as him being a Muslim and having been born somewhere else than Hawaii so he's probably going to look even more stupid than OTL.
Having 'won' the 1st clash Obama will gather a lot of support and be a unifying symbol which will include some of those with the highly simplistic viewpoint that OTL are among Trump's base support. Similarly to how Thatcher gained a lot of popularity even from among those were suffering a lot from her policies. The most extreme haters may try and up the anti but their likely to isolate themselves and their viewpoint. As such it could be a big step in easing the divisions in the US which would be a considerable advantage for it.
Also there's going to need to be a big effort to both learn as much from the wreckage as possible and also get decent defences in place. This will require both national and international effort and a lot of resources so that's going to attract a lot of attention.
The problem is the more egotistical elements, thinking largely internationally here, are still going to want to push their own interests, so you will still have terrorism from reactionary Islamic groups and assorted erratic [mis-]leaders, Thinking of N Korea, Libya, Iran for instance. However hopefully the main power blocks will realise the importance of operating together against the primary threat and withdraw support for any of those who continues to be too troublesome. Doubt this will happen in all cases but there will be strong pressure for it and also with the US having pretty much a monopoly on alien artifacts they have a significant tool to use.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 17, 2020 15:12:44 GMT
Perhaps Trump presidency is butterfied away here. So is the Benghazi incident. It is still 4 years away the election, a lot can happen. Also you think that this: Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System would have pick up the Regents scout fleet several weeks before they landed at earth. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 19, 2020 16:41:21 GMT
Perhaps Trump presidency is butterfied away here. So is the Benghazi incident. It is still 4 years away the election, a lot can happen. Also you think that this: Asteroid Terrestrial-impact Last Alert System would have pick up the Regents scout fleet several weeks before they landed at earth. That would definitely picked it up. However, because Hollywood logic, the writers decided to ignore that. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 19, 2020 16:49:34 GMT
That would definitely picked it up. However, because Hollywood logic, the writers decided to ignore that. Even then, they would not be able to stop it, but i think after this, the US will build a orbital defense system to can engage incoming alien ships, now we know they are out there. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2020 10:25:47 GMT
That would definitely picked it up. However, because Hollywood logic, the writers decided to ignore that. Even then, they would not be able to stop it, but i think after this, the US will build a orbital defense system to can engage incoming alien ships, now we know they are out there.
That would depend on the technological difference between them and us, how much technology we could reverse engineer from the remains and international cooperation as well of course as how much time they give us before the next wave comes. After all currently the US has no launch capacity of its own doesn't it? Fighting from the bottom of a gravity well is a hell of a burden.  |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 20, 2020 11:00:29 GMT
Even then, they would not be able to stop it, but i think after this, the US will build a orbital defense system to can engage incoming alien ships, now we know they are out there. That would depend on the technological difference between them and us, how much technology we could reverse engineer from the remains and international cooperation as well of course as how much time they give us before the next wave comes. After all currently the US has no launch capacity of its own doesn't it? Fighting from the bottom of a gravity well is a hell of a burden. Well i think Earth has a couple of years before the Regents discover something has happen to their scout fleet and decide to send a large 2nd scout/invasion fleet to Earth. |
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Post by stevep on Jun 20, 2020 12:27:46 GMT
That would depend on the technological difference between them and us, how much technology we could reverse engineer from the remains and international cooperation as well of course as how much time they give us before the next wave comes. After all currently the US has no launch capacity of its own doesn't it? Fighting from the bottom of a gravity well is a hell of a burden. Well i think Earth has a couple of years before the Regents discover something has happen to their scout fleet and decide to send a large 2nd scout/invasion fleet to Earth.
That depends on the actual physics involved as the evidence is they have FTL travel so a response could come very quickly. Also it would probably take at least a decade to get any even rudimentary space defence system established. At least unless Hollywood fashion we get almost immediate ability to a hell of a lot of Regent technology which isn't very likely in real life.
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