Royal Malaysian Air Force intercepts MH370 in the Malacca Strait

[gillan1220]

I was watching some mini documentaries about MH370, which is the biggest unsolved aviation disaster in modern day. According to this map, the plane veered off course from its Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight route over the South China Sea and took a detour into the Straits of Malacca before disappearing in the Andaman Sea.



The Royal Malaysian Air Force was able to detect the plane, then described as "unidentified aircraft" as it headed into the Andaman Sea. The radar operators on the ground dismissed the aircraft, sighting it off as friendly. Little would they and the world know that this was the last sighting of the aircraft that would become the biggest aviation mystery in modern times. Analysts state that the outcome might have been different had the RMAF sent fighter jets to intercept and divert the fateful plane.

So what do do you guys think of the likely outcome of this scenario if the RMAF intercepted MH370?

Further viewing:

Malaysian Air Mystery, What We Now Know About Missing Flight MH370



The Vanishing of Flight 370



MH370: The Situation Room - What really happened to the missing Boeing 777 | 60 Minutes Australia

[lordroel]

Aug 28, 2020 13:49:30 GMT gillan1220 said:

I was watching some mini documentaries about MH370, which is the biggest unsolved aviation disaster in modern day. According to this map, the plane veered off course from its Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight route over the South China Sea and took a detour into the Straits of Malacca before disappearing in the Andaman Sea.



The Royal Malaysian Air Force was able to detect the plane, then described as "unidentified aircraft" as it headed into the Andaman Sea. The radar operators on the ground dismissed the aircraft, sighting it off as friendly. Little would they and the world know that this was the last sighting of the aircraft that would become the biggest aviation mystery in modern times. Analysts state that the outcome might have been different had the RMAF sent fighter jets to intercept and divert the fateful plane.

So what do do you guys think of the likely outcome of this scenario if the RMAF intercepted MH370?

Further viewing:

Malaysian Air Mystery, What We Now Know About Missing Flight MH370



The Vanishing of Flight 370



MH370: The Situation Room - What really happened to the missing Boeing 777 | 60 Minutes Australia

Could end up like Helios Airways Flight 522

[gillan1220]

Aug 28, 2020 13:54:20 GMT lordroel said:

Aug 28, 2020 13:49:30 GMT gillan1220 said:

I was watching some mini documentaries about MH370, which is the biggest unsolved aviation disaster in modern day. According to this map, the plane veered off course from its Kuala Lumpur-Beijing flight route over the South China Sea and took a detour into the Straits of Malacca before disappearing in the Andaman Sea.



The Royal Malaysian Air Force was able to detect the plane, then described as "unidentified aircraft" as it headed into the Andaman Sea. The radar operators on the ground dismissed the aircraft, sighting it off as friendly. Little would they and the world know that this was the last sighting of the aircraft that would become the biggest aviation mystery in modern times. Analysts state that the outcome might have been different had the RMAF sent fighter jets to intercept and divert the fateful plane.

So what do do you guys think of the likely outcome of this scenario if the RMAF intercepted MH370?

Further viewing:

Malaysian Air Mystery, What We Now Know About Missing Flight MH370



The Vanishing of Flight 370



MH370: The Situation Room - What really happened to the missing Boeing 777 | 60 Minutes Australia

Could end up like Helios Airways Flight 522

The plane ran autopilot for 6 hours and it was assumed everyone died before it crashed in the Indian Ocean. But assuming the cabin had not decompressed, could the pilots have received orders from the RMAF to turn the flight to the nearest airport?

[archibald]

Well, we still don't know what really happened inside that goddam aircraft.

If everybody has died of hypoxia, then, as Lordroel said > Helios flight case. Either wait for the aircraft to run out of fuel over the sea or, if that huge thing (400 mt of dead metal, kerosene, and bodies)  start threatening anything on the ground, then shoot it down.

A little morally easier for the pilots if everybody inside is dead of asphyxia but then again, since 9-11, pilots would shoot down even anything.

If the crew is alive, then best case is to contact them and order a landing. If they don't comply, then its 9-11 all over again, so shoot the thing down.

If radios are dead (highly unlikely), even visual contact would help. Although KAL-007 proves that a crew can't completely miss even a huge interceptor firing its guns at them.

In 1999 there was a Learjet with a famous golf champion inside that killed everybody onboard through leak and hypoxia... and then the goddam thing kept climbing higher and higher, 51 000 ft over 1000 miles of distance, before falling down from the sky. ANG F-16s closely examined it, and they saw that the cockpit had frozen and the pilots were slumped.

There is also the case of the East Germany MiG-23 which pilot ejected for nothing and the goddam thing under close escort crossed the entire Germany up to Belgium. They did not tried to shoot it down as the entire place was densely populated... and in the end the MiG fell by itself. Except that sucker fell on a Belgian house and killed a VERY UNLUCKY guy.

[gillan1220]

Aug 28, 2020 15:54:46 GMT archibald said:

Well, we still don't know what really happened inside that goddam aircraft.

If everybody has died of hypoxia, then, as Lordroel said > Helios flight case. Either wait for the aircraft to run out of fuel over the sea or, if that huge thing (400 mt of dead metal, kerosene, and bodies)  start threatening anything on the ground, then shoot it down.

A little morally easier for the pilots if everybody inside is dead of asphyxia but then again, since 9-11, pilots would shoot down even anything.

If the crew is alive, then best case is to contact them and order a landing. If they don't comply, then its 9-11 all over again, so shoot the thing down.

If radios are dead (highly unlikely), even visual contact would help. Although KAL-007 proves that a crew can't completely miss even a huge interceptor firing its guns at them.

In 1999 there was a Learjet with a famous golf champion inside that killed everybody onboard through leak and hypoxia... and then the goddam thing kept climbing higher and higher, 51 000 ft over 1000 miles of distance, before falling down from the sky. ANG F-16s closely examined it, and they saw that the cockpit had frozen and the pilots were slumped.

There is also the case of the East Germany MiG-23 which pilot ejected for nothing and the goddam thing under close escort crossed the entire Germany up to Belgium. They did not tried to shoot it down as the entire place was densely populated... and in the end the MiG fell by itself. Except that sucker fell on a Belgian house and killed a VERY UNLUCKY guy.

If everyone died in the plane of hypoxia, then F/A-18s of RMAF will probably nearby naval air and forces where the plane might crash. At least the search would not have extended until 2017 in this case.

[gillan1220]

Why Can't We Find MH370 ?

[stevep]

Sept 8, 2020 6:25:28 GMT gillan1220 said:

Why Can't We Find MH370 ?

  gillan1220,

  Interesting thanks.  It does suggest that the pilot was responsible, especially given the track on the flight simulator.  However as the guy says it would be a huge task and very expensive to even have a chance of finding anything.  Could quite well go over the crash site and still miss it I suspect if the terrain was unfavourable.

  Steve

[gillan1220]

Sept 8, 2020 12:03:07 GMT stevep said:

Sept 8, 2020 6:25:28 GMT gillan1220 said:

Why Can't We Find MH370 ?

  gillan1220 ,

  Interesting thanks.  It does suggest that the pilot was responsible, especially given the track on the flight simulator.  However as the guy says it would be a huge task and very expensive to even have a chance of finding anything.  Could quite well go over the crash site and still miss it I suspect if the terrain was unfavourable.

  Steve

My guess it crashed and all the planes parts got scattered in the deepest parts of the Indian Ocean. Interestingly enough, it did open new frontiers when underwater drones mapped the seafloor of the Indian Ocean...and found nothing.

[stevep]

Sept 8, 2020 12:05:00 GMT gillan1220 said:

Sept 8, 2020 12:03:07 GMT stevep said:

  gillan1220 ,

  Interesting thanks.  It does suggest that the pilot was responsible, especially given the track on the flight simulator.  However as the guy says it would be a huge task and very expensive to even have a chance of finding anything.  Could quite well go over the crash site and still miss it I suspect if the terrain was unfavourable.

  Steve

My guess it crashed and all the planes parts got scattered in the deepest parts of the Indian Ocean. Interestingly enough, it did open new frontiers when underwater drones mapped the seafloor of the Indian Ocean...and found nothing.

  That is one thing that has come out of this.  Not only has an [admittedly small] part of the southern Indian Ocean been mapped in much more detail but technologies and experience has been developed that could make similar activities elsewhere a lot easier and more efficient.

[gillan1220]

Sept 8, 2020 12:33:46 GMT stevep said:

Sept 8, 2020 12:05:00 GMT gillan1220 said:

My guess it crashed and all the planes parts got scattered in the deepest parts of the Indian Ocean. Interestingly enough, it did open new frontiers when underwater drones mapped the seafloor of the Indian Ocean...and found nothing.

  That is one thing that has come out of this.  Not only has an [admittedly small] part of the southern Indian Ocean been mapped in much more detail but technologies and experience has been developed that could make similar activities elsewhere a lot easier and more efficient.

With that, also new protocols in aviation were implemented such as continuing to turn the transponder on for the duration of the flight.

[archibald]

Little bits of 777 washed up in La Reunion Island beaches. They were I.D and traced back to MH370 thanks to Boeing contractors serials. That's probably the most we will ever find of that aircraft. At least it is proof it crashed in the ocean. But how, why, where and when... still no clue.

[ssgtc]

Sept 11, 2020 8:17:10 GMT archibald said:

Little bits of 777 washed up in La Reunion Island beaches. They were I.D and traced back to MH370 thanks to Boeing contractors serials. That's probably the most we will ever find of that aircraft. At least it is proof it crashed in the ocean. But how, why, where and when... still no clue.

I wouldn't say that's all we'll ever find, but I wouldn't count of finding anything for a very long time. Hell, how many expeditions went to find Titanic and still missed her despite having a location that she sank at?

[lordroel]

Sept 14, 2020 18:49:51 GMT ssgtc said:

Sept 11, 2020 8:17:10 GMT archibald said:

Little bits of 777 washed up in La Reunion Island beaches. They were I.D and traced back to MH370 thanks to Boeing contractors serials. That's probably the most we will ever find of that aircraft. At least it is proof it crashed in the ocean. But how, why, where and when... still no clue.

I wouldn't say that's all we'll ever find, but I wouldn't count of finding anything for a very long time. Hell, how many expeditions went to find Titanic and still missed her despite having a location that she sank at?

It is a big piece ocean and land she could have crashed.

[gillan1220]

I still find it amazing how in the 21st century, a plane could just disappear like that.

[archibald]

It is really an extreme case - an extremely extreme case.

Air safety works the following way: one crash, many dead, one inquiry with one objective: never, ever happens again.

Tooks 50 years from 1950 to 2000 and something like 25 000 passengers killed - but the most silly, evident reasons for crashes were eliminated.

Yet what can't be avoided are extreme cases of bad luck, or, alternatively: deliberate crime (hint, 9-11).

AF447 was already an extreme case of a pretty horrible combination of sheer bad luck and absolute human siliness. In this case at least the plane wreck was found.

MH370 is kind of "next step beyond AF447".

In fact a good case could be make that the(very) few big crashes that will happen in the future (aircraft will always fall from the sky, even one in a decade) will become more and more extreme, and weird, to the point of being nearly unexplainable.

It is just that the low-hanging fruits (plain siliness or failures) have been eliminated.

Case in point: Tenerife disaster, 1977. 747 vs 747, 583 dead. The reason: KLM captain, under severe pressure, did not listened anybody (other 747, control tower, his own copilot and mecanician) and decided to liftoff. That KLM captain was top veteran (three decades of service), the company star, and the one that trained the younger pilots. A little complacent, too.

End result: he slammed his 747 into another 747.

The inquiry said: screw Captains arrogance. Learn to listen your crew. No 747 ever slammed into another one.