Struck by a randomized ISOT event- when and where do you end up? And how do you feel that you'd fare

[stevep]

Jul 1, 2021 16:08:27 GMT SinghSong said:

Jul 1, 2021 13:52:25 GMT lordroel said:

Well my date would be October 20th 1692 in Östersund, Sweden.

Checking the date it seems i can offer my service to Charles XII of Sweden in the Great Northern War.

What sort of service would you offer to him, though? And how do you reckon that all the other people in a 5km radius who got ISOTed (to Östersund, Sweden on October 20th 1692) along with you would feel about it?

  Very good questions.  Lordroel may want to help him but other people might have different viewpoints.  Also its still about 8 years before it starts so he's not king yet and the butterflies from the arrival of part of the Netherlands in 1692 Sweden are going to have a big impact, especially with their technology and cultural differences.  One other point is that while both states were Protestant ones at this date the Dutch, among others had I believed given some support to Denmark to avoid the fear of Sweden controlling the entire Baltic region and the vital naval stores that came from the region.  As such being Dutch could be somewhat of an issue. 

  His father, Charles_XI was still king until 1697 and only 41 when he died apparently of cancel which had developed since 1694 so that could well be avoided with help from Lordroel and his friends. 

[lordroel]

Jul 1, 2021 17:29:10 GMT stevep said:

Jul 1, 2021 16:08:27 GMT SinghSong said:

What sort of service would you offer to him, though? And how do you reckon that all the other people in a 5km radius who got ISOTed (to Östersund, Sweden on October 20th 1692) along with you would feel about it?

.  As such being Dutch could be somewhat of an issue. 

Think i need to get my ass out of Sweden and to the Netherlands then.

Think many people who got send back with me want to lynch me as i doubt not many are goinf to be happy being stuck in Sweden of 1692.

[stevep]

   Well, before I start gaming again - Middle Earth calls - I thought I would try another run.  Giving me 12 pairs of locations and dates and seeing which I think would be best.

1) Saturday, 26 June 1926 @ Latitude: 52.12349, Longitude: -89.90374 which is somewhere in the wilds of western Ontario.  Fortunately its mid summer but thing the stinging flies are pretty bad at that point in the year.

2)  Thursday, 2 November 1944 @ Latitude: -46.71958, Longitude: 2.80499 which seems to be in the southern Ocean about half way between South Georgia and Cape Town.  Definitely going to be chilly there and windy plus being in an isolated position and within the last year of the war could take some time to link up with any friends and neighbours.

3) Saturday, 27 January 1816 @ Latitude: -25.62732, Longitude: -109.11496 which is in the Pacific about level with the northern tip of Chile and a quarter way to Australia.  This was the famous year without a summer thought to be due to the Mount Tambora eruption the previous year but may not be too bad in the southern hemisphere.  I wonder how Britain would react to having a new small colony in the eastern pacific? 

4)  Monday, 27 August 1764 @ Latitude: -29.33584, Longitude: -107.89375 - which is very close to the previous location.  This is shortly after the 7 years war finished so Britain looks very successful but with the American revolution starting to brew up now the French threat to the colonies is largely removed.

5)  Tuesday, 24 October 2000 @ Latitude: -18.45933, Longitude: -71.88421 - which is also in the same area, very near the southern coast of Peru.  Not sure if something fouled up with the random generator in terms of location but the 1st time within my lifeline and also the sort of creature comforts I'm used to.

6)  Saturday, 28 January 1984 @ Latitude: 12.79870, Longitude: -2.01822 which is in Burkina Faso, looking to be on the verge between settled lands and the sahel.  Probably not a good place to locate for a part of southern England.

7)  Tuesday, 9 October 1725 @ Latitude: -30.17977, Longitude: -125.54979.  The earliest date so far and back in the Pacific, about half way between Peru and New Zealand.  Checking an old atlas the nearest land is probably Easter Island a few hundred miles to the east.

8)  Monday, 28 April 1788 @ Latitude: 14.44194, Longitude: 49.92044 - which may be just off the south coast of Yemen.  Again probably not a good location for a small island of England.

9)  Thursday, 17 November 1661 @ Latitude: 60.40094, Longitude: -33.01675 - the earliest time so far and the nearest to the UK but its on the mid-Atlantic ridge and some distance east of the southern tip of Greenland.  Given this is still deep in the little ice age I would rather avoid that.  Just after the restoration of the monarchy under Charles II.

10)  Tuesday, 28 December 1649 @ Latitude: 53.73867, Longitude: 135.00971 - even earlier and a little way inland from the Pacific coast of Russia although I think the region was under Manchu rule at the time.

11)  Sunday, 8 July 1917 @ Latitude: 16.33448, Longitude: -166.67581 - deep in the central Pacific a little north of the equator.  Might be an interesting time with the Great War raging, Russia having had its revolution but prior to Lenin's coup but again very isolated.

12)  Thursday, 25 April 1793 @ Latitude: 22.63664, Longitude: -4.47303 - i.e. northern Mali deep in the Sahara desert!  I think this would be a quick death scenario for everybody.  Some wandering tribe or caravan might discover a few survivors or odd ruins before the desert buries it but that's about all.

  Of all those for personal survivability possibly 1) because of the location and not too early a date or 5) largely because of the date and hopefully we would end up being moved back to Britain.  Although ho we would get on with our younger selves I don't know.

  In terms of interesting times where things might be affected possibly 1-4 or 11 provided that we could establish some sort of survivable community until we could contact friendly people - largely thinking of Britain here although in 1) Canada obviously.  1 & 11 might be able to avoid a lot of the worst effects of WWII and in the latter case possibly also the Bolshevik take over of Russia.  2) gives options for boosting the west in the post-war world.  3) gives the opportunity to change a lot in the western world but assuming we're able to survive and then contact Britain there's going to be huge social, cultural and political differences.  4) is similar but even more so.

  Gods that was interesting and a bit off in that only 2 of the locations were on land, albeit a couple of others weren't far offshore possible.

[stevep]

Jul 1, 2021 17:38:30 GMT lordroel said:

Jul 1, 2021 17:29:10 GMT stevep said:

.  As such being Dutch could be somewhat of an issue. 

Think i need to get my ass out of Sweden and to the Netherlands then.

Think many people who got send back with me want to lynch me as i doubt not many are goinf to be happy being stuck in Sweden of 1692.

  Well if you admit that you think your responsible for them being there that could be likely!  Something to be avoided I suspect. 

  At the time we have unity at least in the dynasty as William of Orange is King of England as well as the Netherlands having overthrown James II a few years before and married to Queen Mary.  The Nine Years War with Louis XIV is pretty much at its height as it lasts from 1688 to 1697.  I suspect you have landed in interesting times.

[lordroel]

Jul 1, 2021 18:13:48 GMT stevep said:

I suspect you have landed in interesting times.

So have many other people who might like this time period.

[SinghSong]

Jul 1, 2021 18:08:43 GMT stevep said:

   Well, before I start gaming again - Middle Earth calls - I thought I would try another run.  Giving me 12 pairs of locations and dates and seeing which I think would be best.

1) Saturday, 26 June 1926 @ Latitude: 52.12349, Longitude: -89.90374 which is somewhere in the wilds of western Ontario.  Fortunately its mid summer but thing the stinging flies are pretty bad at that point in the year.

2)  Thursday, 2 November 1944 @ Latitude: -46.71958, Longitude: 2.80499 which seems to be in the southern Ocean about half way between South Georgia and Cape Town.  Definitely going to be chilly there and windy plus being in an isolated position and within the last year of the war could take some time to link up with any friends and neighbours.

3) Saturday, 27 January 1816 @ Latitude: -25.62732, Longitude: -109.11496 which is in the Pacific about level with the northern tip of Chile and a quarter way to Australia.  This was the famous year without a summer thought to be due to the Mount Tambora eruption the previous year but may not be too bad in the southern hemisphere.  I wonder how Britain would react to having a new small colony in the eastern pacific? 

4)  Monday, 27 August 1764 @ Latitude: -29.33584, Longitude: -107.89375 - which is very close to the previous location.  This is shortly after the 7 years war finished so Britain looks very successful but with the American revolution starting to brew up now the French threat to the colonies is largely removed.

5)  Tuesday, 24 October 2000 @ Latitude: -18.45933, Longitude: -71.88421 - which is also in the same area, very near the southern coast of Peru.  Not sure if something fouled up with the random generator in terms of location but the 1st time within my lifeline and also the sort of creature comforts I'm used to.

6)  Saturday, 28 January 1984 @ Latitude: 12.79870, Longitude: -2.01822 which is in Burkina Faso, looking to be on the verge between settled lands and the sahel.  Probably not a good place to locate for a part of southern England.

7)  Tuesday, 9 October 1725 @ Latitude: -30.17977, Longitude: -125.54979.  The earliest date so far and back in the Pacific, about half way between Peru and New Zealand.  Checking an old atlas the nearest land is probably Easter Island a few hundred miles to the east.

8)  Monday, 28 April 1788 @ Latitude: 14.44194, Longitude: 49.92044 - which may be just off the south coast of Yemen.  Again probably not a good location for a small island of England.

9)  Thursday, 17 November 1661 @ Latitude: 60.40094, Longitude: -33.01675 - the earliest time so far and the nearest to the UK but its on the mid-Atlantic ridge and some distance east of the southern tip of Greenland.  Given this is still deep in the little ice age I would rather avoid that.  Just after the restoration of the monarchy under Charles II.

10)  Tuesday, 28 December 1649 @ Latitude: 53.73867, Longitude: 135.00971 - even earlier and a little way inland from the Pacific coast of Russia although I think the region was under Manchu rule at the time.

11)  Sunday, 8 July 1917 @ Latitude: 16.33448, Longitude: -166.67581 - deep in the central Pacific a little north of the equator.  Might be an interesting time with the Great War raging, Russia having had its revolution but prior to Lenin's coup but again very isolated.

12)  Thursday, 25 April 1793 @ Latitude: 22.63664, Longitude: -4.47303 - i.e. northern Mali deep in the Sahara desert!  I think this would be a quick death scenario for everybody.  Some wandering tribe or caravan might discover a few survivors or odd ruins before the desert buries it but that's about all.

  Of all those for personal survivability possibly 1) because of the location and not too early a date or 5) largely because of the date and hopefully we would end up being moved back to Britain.  Although ho we would get on with our younger selves I don't know.

  In terms of interesting times where things might be affected possibly 1-4 or 11 provided that we could establish some sort of survivable community until we could contact friendly people - largely thinking of Britain here although in 1) Canada obviously.  1 & 11 might be able to avoid a lot of the worst effects of WWII and in the latter case possibly also the Bolshevik take over of Russia.  2) gives options for boosting the west in the post-war world.  3) gives the opportunity to change a lot in the western world but assuming we're able to survive and then contact Britain there's going to be huge social, cultural and political differences.  4) is similar but even more so.

  Gods that was interesting and a bit off in that only 2 of the locations were on land, albeit a couple of others weren't far offshore possible.

If there's one thing the random location generator drives home, it's just how little of the planet's surface is on land, and just how little of that is anywhere near civilization...

[SinghSong]

Giving it a try again myself, for another few runs (/hypothetical ISOT scenarios)...

1) Saturday, 5 August 2006 @ Latitude: -22.18327, Longitude: 151.43755- which is actually one of the friendliest and most fortunate locations I could have hoped for, making our new ISOT-island the newest part of the Great Barrier Reef, only about 50-75km off the Capricorn Coast of Australia and less than 150km away from the city of Rockhampton, as well as being less than 15yrs in the past. Very little risk with regards to personal survivability, and a fair few low-risk, high-rewards opportunities available as well.

2) Monday, 27 November 1679 @ Latitude: -16.07055, Longitude: 108.86118- an ISOT-island off the coast of Australia again, but Western Australia this time, and a hell of a lot further away from the mainland- closer to Christmas Island than anywhere else. And a hell of a lot further back in time too. May well be a few ferries and a fair few private yachts on the section of the Thames which got ISOTed along for the rise, but I wouldn't fancy any of their chances to cross that distance of ocean, or fancy most of our chances for survival.

3) Tuesday, 22 December 1942 @latitude: 1.49742, Longitude: 169.04679- So now we're an ISOT-island in the middle of the Pacific, in between Nauru, the Marshall Islands and the Gilbert Islands- at a time in the Pacific War when literally all of them have recently been occupied by Imperial Japanese troops, with the Japanese offensives having already been halted and the Japanese themselves forced back on the defensive, but with the American offensives to start retaking these islands still over a year away. This certainly will be interesting, very interesting indeed- but probably not in a good way, either for us or the rest of the world besides the Imperial Japanese and the Axis Powers in general. Don't think our uptimer tech or the available military hardware's going to help much against the pending Japanese Imperial invasion force, or that even Windsor Castle's gonna hold up long if it comes under bombardment by WW2 battleships...

4) Tuesday, 12 October 1706 @ Latitude: -8.11064, Longitude: 141.14549- Not an ISOT-island! But still on an island, in South-East Papua New Guinea (still in Oceania, yet again- coincidence much?). Or what would later be, IOTL. Though we're over three centuries in the past, in the interior of an island that isn't scheduled to have any colonial presences or major trade links with the outside world for a looong time. Though it could be worse- at least we're just about within the outer reaches of the Trans-Fly Savannah region, rather than deep in the heart of the rainforest, which makes things easier on the transportation and disease fronts. With the ISOTed locale having had some of the warmest daytime summer temperatures on average in the British Isles, as well as being one of the driest places by annual rainfall too, and at least 20% of the population comprised of first-generation immigrants from India and Pakistan, which have similar monsoon climates to the new location, this might well be survivable for most, with a fair bit of potential to stabilize and expand in the years following the ISOT.

5) Tuesday, 29 March 1695 @ Latitude: 65.39459, Longitude: -164.87796- ISOTed even further into the past than last time, arriving in the middle of the future Bering Land Bridge National Preserve in the future US State of Alaska. In late March- though even though it's after the spring equinox, literally all the local rivers are still going to be frozen solid. Even with a subarctic (albeit only just) rather than a full arctic tundra climate to deal with, I'm gonna say this is probably a quick mass death scenario.

6) Friday, 13 April 1640 @ Latitude: 52.01331, Longitude: 105.84305- Even further back into the past- the earliest date so far. And an interesting location, to say the least- still an ISOT-island, but this time, in the middle of a lake rather than the Ocean (the first time that's happened for me). With said lake being Lake Baikal, and our new location being almost exactly equidistant from the western and eastern shores. Still a heck of a lot frostier than the infrastructure and population's accustomed to handling, with a borderline subarctic climate, but potentially survivable enough to escape quick mass death. Can't really see us staving off mass death any longer than winter though, when the lake's set to freeze over again, especially in this time period.

7) Tuesday, 24 April 1787 @ Latitude: 9.46701, Longitude: 43.12279- Back on land again, and in a distinctly sunnier, hotter locale. Though not as burning hot as you might expect, having been ISOTed to the Fafan Zone of the Somali Region of Ethiopia- with a subtropical highland climate, and an average yearly high temperature less than 5^oC higher than where we got ISOTed from. Nor as arid, with the region actually receiving more annual rainfall than where we got ISOTed from. And also fortunate enough to be placed right along the pre-established historical caravan route between Zeila and Harar. With a decent-sized ISOTed uptime Somali community, this could be pretty interesting too...

8) Sunday, 18 September 1910 @ Latitude: 51.19175, Longitude: 19.57894- Slap bang in the middle of not-yet-independent Poland, roughly 50km south of the city of Łódź- then the fifth-largest city in the Russian Empire, and most densely populated (more than three times more so than the ISOTed area), with a third of its population being Jewish, as well as perhaps its most industrialized and developed city, and still one of the important strongholds of the Polish socialist movement. Also coincidentally (purportedly) in advanced talks to sign a sister city/ twinning agreement with the ISOTed town of Slough- which has a sizable (c.10% of the general population) and historic Polish community, many of whom (especially more recent arrivals) immigrated from this specific region of Poland. There are gonna be some BIG butterflies fluttering forth from this one...

9) Sunday, 10 June 1877 @latitude: -53.10648, Longitude: 74.15620- An ISOT-island again, but this time just a few kilometres off the coast- of Heard Island, which is one of the most remote and barren places on Earth, 1,630km north of Antarctica, and 450km southeast of the Kerguelen Islands (aka Desolation Islands), still uninhabited by humans to this day. Quick mass death beckons- no survivors...

So all in all, whilst 2, 5, 6 & 9 are probably only interesting in an apocalyptic sense, and 1's a tad boring and mundane compared to the others, there are quite a few intriguing possibilities to explore there, plenty of which could have easily have the potential to change the world by a whole heap. 3'd be comparable to Birmingham's Axis of Time, but with a Ring-of-Fired uptime city instead of a multinational naval task force getting sent back, and literally all of the uptime tech set to fall into the hands of, and be monopolized by, the Imperial Japanese in short order. 4's a good old-fashioned ISOT civilization (re)building exercise, on one of the easiest settings we'd find anywhere (habitable) in the world in this time period; 7's got the potential for a massive Africa and Ethiopia (/Somalia)-wank scenario; whilst 8 would potentially be an even bigger Poland-wank, and would almost certainly butterfly away OTL's WW1, making it anyone's guess how events might pan out instead ITTL.

[stevep]

Jul 1, 2021 20:22:19 GMT SinghSong said:

Jul 1, 2021 18:08:43 GMT stevep said:

   Well, before I start gaming again - Middle Earth calls - I thought I would try another run.  Giving me 12 pairs of locations and dates and seeing which I think would be best.

1) Saturday, 26 June 1926 @ Latitude: 52.12349, Longitude: -89.90374 which is somewhere in the wilds of western Ontario.  Fortunately its mid summer but thing the stinging flies are pretty bad at that point in the year.

2)  Thursday, 2 November 1944 @ Latitude: -46.71958, Longitude: 2.80499 which seems to be in the southern Ocean about half way between South Georgia and Cape Town.  Definitely going to be chilly there and windy plus being in an isolated position and within the last year of the war could take some time to link up with any friends and neighbours.

3) Saturday, 27 January 1816 @ Latitude: -25.62732, Longitude: -109.11496 which is in the Pacific about level with the northern tip of Chile and a quarter way to Australia.  This was the famous year without a summer thought to be due to the Mount Tambora eruption the previous year but may not be too bad in the southern hemisphere.  I wonder how Britain would react to having a new small colony in the eastern pacific? 

4)  Monday, 27 August 1764 @ Latitude: -29.33584, Longitude: -107.89375 - which is very close to the previous location.  This is shortly after the 7 years war finished so Britain looks very successful but with the American revolution starting to brew up now the French threat to the colonies is largely removed.

5)  Tuesday, 24 October 2000 @ Latitude: -18.45933, Longitude: -71.88421 - which is also in the same area, very near the southern coast of Peru.  Not sure if something fouled up with the random generator in terms of location but the 1st time within my lifeline and also the sort of creature comforts I'm used to.

6)  Saturday, 28 January 1984 @ Latitude: 12.79870, Longitude: -2.01822 which is in Burkina Faso, looking to be on the verge between settled lands and the sahel.  Probably not a good place to locate for a part of southern England.

7)  Tuesday, 9 October 1725 @ Latitude: -30.17977, Longitude: -125.54979.  The earliest date so far and back in the Pacific, about half way between Peru and New Zealand.  Checking an old atlas the nearest land is probably Easter Island a few hundred miles to the east.

8)  Monday, 28 April 1788 @ Latitude: 14.44194, Longitude: 49.92044 - which may be just off the south coast of Yemen.  Again probably not a good location for a small island of England.

9)  Thursday, 17 November 1661 @ Latitude: 60.40094, Longitude: -33.01675 - the earliest time so far and the nearest to the UK but its on the mid-Atlantic ridge and some distance east of the southern tip of Greenland.  Given this is still deep in the little ice age I would rather avoid that.  Just after the restoration of the monarchy under Charles II.

10)  Tuesday, 28 December 1649 @ Latitude: 53.73867, Longitude: 135.00971 - even earlier and a little way inland from the Pacific coast of Russia although I think the region was under Manchu rule at the time.

11)  Sunday, 8 July 1917 @ Latitude: 16.33448, Longitude: -166.67581 - deep in the central Pacific a little north of the equator.  Might be an interesting time with the Great War raging, Russia having had its revolution but prior to Lenin's coup but again very isolated.

12)  Thursday, 25 April 1793 @ Latitude: 22.63664, Longitude: -4.47303 - i.e. northern Mali deep in the Sahara desert!  I think this would be a quick death scenario for everybody.  Some wandering tribe or caravan might discover a few survivors or odd ruins before the desert buries it but that's about all.

  Of all those for personal survivability possibly 1) because of the location and not too early a date or 5) largely because of the date and hopefully we would end up being moved back to Britain.  Although ho we would get on with our younger selves I don't know.

  In terms of interesting times where things might be affected possibly 1-4 or 11 provided that we could establish some sort of survivable community until we could contact friendly people - largely thinking of Britain here although in 1) Canada obviously.  1 & 11 might be able to avoid a lot of the worst effects of WWII and in the latter case possibly also the Bolshevik take over of Russia.  2) gives options for boosting the west in the post-war world.  3) gives the opportunity to change a lot in the western world but assuming we're able to survive and then contact Britain there's going to be huge social, cultural and political differences.  4) is similar but even more so.

  Gods that was interesting and a bit off in that only 2 of the locations were on land, albeit a couple of others weren't far offshore possible.

If there's one thing the random location generator drives home, it's just how little of the planet's surface is on land, and just how little of that is anywhere near civilization...

   Very true and how much of that water is the Pacific.  That three of the 12 were in roughly the same part of the Pacific not too far off western S America was statistically odd, especially since they came in sequence.  Mind you with land locations there is relatively little anywhere in the world that 2021 people from the developed world would consider civilised or find that pleasant and useful.

  Plus while having the Thames might mean you have some boats, which could be used for fishing if nothing else I have no such capacity.  Furthermore I suspect few of the people on the site would have a reliable power supply and supplies of water would be in the affected areas so think we would quickly find no power or water which would be very bad.  Coupled with that a land location would mean sewage pipes will suddenly end up meeting the surrounding earth outside the ISOT area which means its likely to back up.  Not good for health.  I think to give a decent chance for survival for such a community we might need to supply some sort of power and water supply reliability.

[SinghSong]

Jul 2, 2021 11:16:44 GMT stevep said:

Jul 1, 2021 20:22:19 GMT SinghSong said:

If there's one thing the random location generator drives home, it's just how little of the planet's surface is on land, and just how little of that is anywhere near civilization...

   Very true and how much of that water is the Pacific.  That three of the 12 were in roughly the same part of the Pacific not too far off western S America was statistically odd, especially since they came in sequence.  Mind you with land locations there is relatively little anywhere in the world that 2021 people from the developed world would consider civilised or find that pleasant and useful.

  Plus while having the Thames might mean you have some boats, which could be used for fishing if nothing else I have no such capacity.  Furthermore I suspect few of the people on the site would have a reliable power supply and supplies of water would be in the affected areas so think we would quickly find no power or water which would be very bad.  Coupled with that a land location would mean sewage pipes will suddenly end up meeting the surrounding earth outside the ISOT area which means its likely to back up.  Not good for health.  I think to give a decent chance for survival for such a community we might need to supply some sort of power and water supply reliability.

True. Luckily enough on my part, we've also got pretty much all of the sewage networks flowing inwards rather than outwards, to the major sewage works located in the ISOTed area (the source of the famed 'Slough Stench', alongside the M4), so at least we wouldn't have too much to worry about in that regard.

[lordroel]

So did another trow and ended up on Thursday, May 17th 1860 in Tiemenguan City, Xinjiang, Empire of China.

As Tiemenguan City did not exist in 1860, welcome the new city of Venlo in China.

[stevep]

Jul 2, 2021 13:48:39 GMT lordroel said:

So did another trow and ended up on Thursday, May 17th 1860 in Tiemenguan City, Xinjiang, Empire of China.

As Tiemenguan City did not exist in 1860, welcome the new city of Venlo in China.

  Not good.  That's at the start of what's generally called the 2nd Opium War - although opium wasn't a significant factor as far as I'm aware.  True your a long way west at the moment but could find yourself unpopular with the locals - or at least any Chinese garrisons and officials.  Coupled with the Taiping Revolt under way, although past its peak IIRC you might not get Beijing's attention for a while but your a long way from anyone likely to be friendly.  It could be literally interesting times as well as being in 'China' or its empire anyway.

[lordroel]

Jul 2, 2021 14:22:34 GMT stevep said:

Jul 2, 2021 13:48:39 GMT lordroel said:

So did another trow and ended up on Thursday, May 17th 1860 in Tiemenguan City, Xinjiang, Empire of China.

As Tiemenguan City did not exist in 1860, welcome the new city of Venlo in China.

  Not good.  That's at the start of what's generally called the 2nd Opium War - although opium wasn't a significant factor as far as I'm aware.  True your a long way west at the moment but could find yourself unpopular with the locals - or at least any Chinese garrisons and officials.  Coupled with the Taiping Revolt under way, although past its peak IIRC you might not get Beijing's attention for a while but your a long way from anyone likely to be friendly.  It could be literally interesting times as well as being in 'China' or its empire anyway.

We can agree, where ever we go, not good things will happen.

[stevep]

Jul 2, 2021 14:25:35 GMT lordroel said:

Jul 2, 2021 14:22:34 GMT stevep said:

  Not good.  That's at the start of what's generally called the 2nd Opium War - although opium wasn't a significant factor as far as I'm aware.  True your a long way west at the moment but could find yourself unpopular with the locals - or at least any Chinese garrisons and officials.  Coupled with the Taiping Revolt under way, although past its peak IIRC you might not get Beijing's attention for a while but your a long way from anyone likely to be friendly.  It could be literally interesting times as well as being in 'China' or its empire anyway.

We can agree, where ever we go, not good things will happen.

  Its likely to be bad for the up-timers in most locations but given a survival-able one where they can get friendly support quickly it could make a sizeable difference to the future of the Earth their gone to.  Hell even if they die and someone finds their location a decade or so later its potentially going to valuable for those people even if fatal to the up-timers.

  What it needs for the up-timers to do well is somewhere probably not much later than 1850 preferably but in a location where they can link up with friendly down-timers very quickly.  A fair number of up-timers might still die then without medical support or in an unfavourable disease environment say.

[575]

Tried out a few time - problem being that this Random machine have a knack of putting me into the Northern or Southern Arctic Oceans! Or in the ocean or in the Rockies or Central Asia.
Not been too eager on any place as I live on Sjaelland in eastern Denmark in a small village in the countryside. The 5km range give me farmlands and forest as well as 7½ village, a Manor House, a stretch of High/Motorway and one of local railway. Nothing really industrial, not even a doctor, vet. or a pharmacy.
Some farmers, a lot of hunters, members of the local Homeguard but not the depot and a Gasstation. And - tadaa - a large solarcell field. And five industrial windmills.
Farms mainly producing cereals and oilplants not many cows but some sheep and deer.
A few streams and small lakes though that will be it for fresh water.
Even if we survive we'd get natural selected soon! Survival of the fittest. Those that do survive would be able to outproduce any competitor when they have revired the local grid.
Soo not too bad though it will be tough going especially if we land within some war/upheaval!

[stevep]

Jul 3, 2021 12:46:37 GMT 575 said:

Tried out a few time - problem being that this Random machine have a knack of putting me into the Northern or Southern Arctic Oceans! Or in the ocean or in the Rockies or Central Asia.
Not been too eager on any place as I live on Sjaelland in eastern Denmark in a small village in the countryside. The 5km range give me farmlands and forest as well as 7½ village, a Manor House, a stretch of High/Motorway and one of local railway. Nothing really industrial, not even a doctor, vet. or a pharmacy.
Some farmers, a lot of hunters, members of the local Homeguard but not the depot and a Gasstation. And - tadaa - a large solarcell field. And five industrial windmills.
Farms mainly producing cereals and oilplants not many cows but some sheep and deer.
A few streams and small lakes though that will be it for fresh water.
Even if we survive we'd get natural selected soon! Survival of the fittest. Those that do survive would be able to outproduce any competitor when they have revired the local grid.
Soo not too bad though it will be tough going especially if we land within some war/upheaval!

  Sounds like its a decent place for longer term survival - at least for those who pull through the 1st decade or so - provided it ends up somewhere without too many immediate threats.  Possibly a quiet at the time thinly settled part of the Earth, although not many in the available time periods that aren't unpleasant, or a part of an ocean that is climatic suitable and off the main trade routes.