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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 16:31:45 GMT
They are somehow madly in love with each other and ASB makes sure their families accept their marriage. They descendants are known as House of Hohenzollern-Habsburg.
Can the religious differences be overcome without ASB?
What happens to Poland in this scenario?
What happens to the rest of Germany?
Does Austrian army benefit from Der Alte Fritx?
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Post by stevep on Jan 14, 2022 19:33:45 GMT
They are somehow madly in love with each other and ASB makes sure their families accept their marriage. They descendants are known as House of Hohenzollern-Habsburg. Can the religious differences be overcome without ASB? What happens to Poland in this scenario? What happens to the rest of Germany? Does Austrian army benefit from Der Alte Fritx?
Two issues come to mind. The ASB might make them in love and the two families accept the marriage but its going to send shock waves through both the rest of their states and also the whole of Europe. Religion was less important than a century before but still a fairly big issue. If it results in a marriage and the adding of Prussian/Brandenburg lands and the electorate of Brandenburg status to the dynasty then expect France, Britain, Russia, the Netherlands, Saxony, Bavaria and just about everybody else to be very worried. You could see a much bigger and different War of the Austrian Succession.
The last bit would suggest a lot of opposition in Prussia should he marry Maria Theresa, especially if he didn't renounce the Prussian throne which I think your suggesting?
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 19:46:09 GMT
They are somehow madly in love with each other and ASB makes sure their families accept their marriage. They descendants are known as House of Hohenzollern-Habsburg. Can the religious differences be overcome without ASB? What happens to Poland in this scenario? What happens to the rest of Germany? Does Austrian army benefit from Der Alte Fritx? So how old are they when they marry. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 19:48:08 GMT
Approx 1740
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 19:52:12 GMT
So Frederick will be 28 and Maria will be 22, is that not a bit to old and i notice that Maria by 1740 has been married for 4 years with Francis Stephen. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 20:09:53 GMT
So Frederick will be 28 and Maria will be 22, is that not a bit to old and i notice that Maria by 1740 has been married for 4 years with Francis Stephen. This is ATL  |
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 20:11:40 GMT
So Frederick will be 28 and Maria will be 22, is that not a bit to old and i notice that Maria by 1740 has been married for 4 years with Francis Stephen. This is ATL So the ASB has made sure they do not marry until 1740. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 20:12:33 GMT
How gifted was Maria Theresa?
What happens if their heir inherits good traits from both of them?
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 20:15:33 GMT
How gifted was Maria Theresa? If we go by here Wikipedia account which says: Maria Theresa understood the importance of her public persona and was able to simultaneously evoke both esteem and affection in her subjects; a notable example was how she projected dignity and simplicity to awe the people in Pressburg before she was crowned as Queen of Hungary. Her 40-year reign was considered to be very successful when compared to other Habsburg rulers. Her reforms had transformed the empire into a modern state with a significant international standing. She centralised and modernised its institutions, and her reign was considered as the beginning of the era of "enlightened absolutism" in Austria, with a brand new approach toward governing: the measures undertaken by rulers became more modern and rational, and thoughts were given to the welfare of the state and the people. Many of her policies were not in line with the ideals of the Enlightenment (such as her support of torture), and she was still very much influenced by Catholicism from the previous era. Vocelka even stated that "taken as a whole the reforms of Maria Theresa appear more absolutist and centralist than enlightened, even if one must admit that the influence of enlightened ideas is visible to a certain degree." I say that she did good, but that is me speaking. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 20:22:52 GMT
So we have a kid who is a military genius znd a capable politician.
What wars are Fritz and Maria going to wage? Now our super duo has the Prussian army and the Austrian population and wealth... and Poland in the way + likely angry Europe
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 20:31:49 GMT
So we have a kid who is a military genius znd a capable politician. What wars are Fritz and Maria going to wage? Now our super duo has the Prussian army and the Austrian population and wealth... and Poland in the way + likely angry Europe Well there is no War of the Austrian Succession as Prussia is now allied to Habsburg Monarchy, instead a war between the Prussian-Habsburg Empire and France is still a possibility as France might feel threaten by this new power block. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 20:38:09 GMT
... and Poland is screwed?
It was Fritx who was the main architect of the Polish partitions. Poland at the time is super weak with a powerless king, no army and a bunch of corrupt super rich nobles running the country
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 20:42:19 GMT
... and Poland is screwed? It was Fritx who was the main architect of the Polish partitions. Poland at the time is super weak with a powerless king, no army and a bunch of corrupt super rich nobles running the country Looking at this map i made, the Prussian-Habsburg Empire (in yellow) will most likely try to get East Prussia to connect with West Prussia, so yes the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth might have a problem on their hands.  |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Jan 14, 2022 20:53:03 GMT
It was One of The reasons why Frederick the Great wanted the partitions of Poland
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Post by lordroel on Jan 14, 2022 20:55:01 GMT
It was One of The reasons why Frederick the Great wanted the partitions of Poland And now he has bigger empire to make sure to get it. |
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