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Post by TheRomanSlayer on May 29, 2022 4:27:47 GMT
TTL’s version of Duterte might be more of a vengeful rebel and terrorist fighting the junta. In the original version of TL, he had a hand in the mass murder of several people.
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Post by simeon on May 29, 2022 6:12:46 GMT
TTL’s version of Duterte might be more of a vengeful rebel and terrorist fighting the junta. In the original version of TL, he had a hand in the mass murder of several people. So, the biggest figure in the resistance against Japanophilia ITTL is retconned away? Sign me up already! |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on May 29, 2022 7:16:54 GMT
TTL’s version of Duterte might be more of a vengeful rebel and terrorist fighting the junta. In the original version of TL, he had a hand in the mass murder of several people. So, the biggest figure in the resistance against Japanophilia ITTL is retconned away? Sign me up already! Most likely he’d be more open with his Sinophilia. |
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Post by simeon on May 30, 2022 11:17:14 GMT
As per the anti-Japanese sentiment, I recall that much of the Japanese immigration that happened here - aside from the Yakuza and lowlives - is from medical professionals, right? I can easily see the alternative medicine community here can latch onto the same sentiment, so that they can likewise link it to their scepticism against scientific medicine. It can come not only from the usual kooks that sell essential oils but also from figures that are otherwise widely considered reputable. Like the Dayrit Family and their ceaseless overselling of Virgin Coconut Oil. Conrado "Dr. Coconut" DayritCamilla Dayrit Nutiva InterviewFabian Dayrit, overselling VCO on a Sunday medical showcasing television show |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on May 31, 2022 3:45:14 GMT
As per the anti-Japanese sentiment, I recall that much of the Japanese immigration that happened here - aside from the Yakuza and lowlives - is from medical professionals, right? Yes, Japanese medical professionals ITTL would get the same animosity as OTL Pogo workers, only much worse because of the legacy of the war. I can easily see the alternative medicine community here can latch onto the same sentiment, so that they can likewise link it to their scepticism against scientific medicine. It can come not only from the usual kooks that sell essential oils but also from figures that are otherwise widely considered reputable. Imagine the horror when we have the alternative version of the SARS pandemic breaking out (in the original version, it was the Zambezi Flu Pandemic). Of course, the Philippines under Tadiar, even with the Japanese medical professionals building the foundation of a Filipino health care system that is vastly different from its OTL version, would be hard pressed to rely on alternative healing, mostly because it would be cost-saving. Ironically, the cultivation of marijuana in a place like the Philippines could result in them becoming one of the largest exporters of medical cannabis. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jun 1, 2022 4:01:05 GMT
CHAPTER THREE: A SPARK CREATED, A FIRE TRIGGERED
MALACANANG PALACE IN THE MIDDLE OF A STAND OFF BETWEEN LOYALIST SOLDIERS AND RENEGADE TROOPS UNDER COMMAND OF COLONEL TADIAR
Manila Times
March 1, 1986
(Manila, PHILIPPINES) - The EDSA People Power Revolution has made a turn for the worst, as the Armed Forces of the Philippines have become split over the aftermath of the infamous Ortigas Avenue Massacre perpetrated by rogue Marines under the command of Colonel Artemio Tadiar. Various loyalist soldiers who still followed the orders of President Ferdinand Marcos have been spotted pointing their rifles at renegade troops that have rallied around the controversial Colonel, while a few troops that defected to Corazon Aquino have been reported to have engaged in a minor skirmish with other loyalist troops in the area. The split within the Philippine military comes at a time when numerous reports of defections from the loyalist side to the two emerging opposition groups have been confirmed, both by the Aquino faction and Colonel Artemio Tadiar's tiny faction within the Reformed the Armed Forces Movement. However, in response, President Marcos has appointed General Fabian Ver as the new Defense Minister, replacing the defected Fidel Ramos, who has joined the Aquino faction.
"Under the direct order of the President, I will suppress this growing uprising, whatever the cost," says Defense Minister Ver, upon taking the oath. "We will also proceed with the purges against the breakaway group that's led by the former Vice President-elect in Arturo Tolentino."
Arturo Tolentino became the newly appointed interim leader of a breakaway faction of Kilusang Bangong Lipunan called the Kilusang Pambansang Soberanya, followed by the announcement of several other former KBL politicians that have been expelled from the party over their growing disillusionment with the President. Yet, at the same time, various paramilitary groups belonging to an obscure organization called Alsa Masa, have not yet declared their allegiance to any faction, but a majority of them now called for Marcos to step down, and to hold new elections that will determine the new President and Vice President. Within the Aquino camp, there were calls for a new constitution to be drafted, in order to ease up the transition of power from the dictatorship to a democracy.
"The constitution that we have right now is just a rubber stamp. We need a constitutional reset, to ensure that the post-Marcos government is accountable to all Filipinos," says Mrs. Aquino, during an impromptu interview with Banahaw Broadcasting Corporation. "We will ensure that the President under this new constitution should be elected to only one term, to prevent the concentration of power."
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FEARS OF CIVIL WAR GROW AS MARCOS-ALIGNED TROOPS EVACUATE EMBATTLED DICTATOR OUT OF MANILA, PRESIDENT-ELECT AQUINO FORMALLY ENTERS MALACANANG SOON AFTER
Manila Times
March 4, 1986
(Manila, PHILIPPINES) - While the embattled dictator Ferdinand Marcos has been evacuated from Malacanang Palace, aided by loyalist troops still on his side, rebel soldiers linked to President-elect Corazon Aquino have managed to secure Malacanang, allowing her to formally enter the palace and proclaim herself as the new President of the Philippines. Jubilant civilian protesters who demonstrated against Marcos's attempts at maintaining his grip on power, now celebrated on the streets of the Philippine capital as they rejoiced at the end of the Marcos dictatorship. At the same time, various members of the anti-Marcos military cabal, the Reform the Armed Forces movement, have swung in favor of controversial Philippine Marine Corps military officer and mastermind of the incident at Ortigas Avenue, Artemio Tadiar. However, only Gregorio Honasan, Alexander Yano, and Jose T. Almonte, have declared their support for President-elect Aquino.
"We're not sure if the Marcos regime is willing to give up power that easily, considering that they've temporarily relocated to Laoag," says former Defense Minister Juan Ponce Enrile. "However, it is also disturbing that the majority of the RAM are showing their support for Artemio Tadiar. The man has blood on his hands!"
While the Philippine Navy had remained neutral in the growing uprising, over 75% of the Philippine Army have now refused to acknowledge President Marcos's authority, choosing instead to side with either President-elect Aquino, or Colonel Tadiar. In addition to the evacuation of President Marcos, interim Vice President Fabian Ver has also announced that the temporary seat of power while Manila falls into further anarchy and chaos will be in Laoag. Likewise, Colonel Tadiar has elected to stay put in Manila for now, until the situation has cleared up. However, the 7th Infantry Division, which is based in the province of Nueva Ecija, has declared their opposition to President Marcos, but has not yet chosen their side yet, as they're still dealing with the New People's Army terrorists that have operated in the region.
"The military is now facing severe difficulties in facing the New People's Army and the Islamist rebels in the south. However, we have grown disillusioned with the President, and agreed that the time for him to step aside has come," says Marcelo Blando, the commander of the 7th Infantry Division based in Nueva Ecija. "However, we are hesitant to follow the orders of an elected President that has, frankly speaking, never held political office before."
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Portions from the Interview with Martin Kove
FOX News Interview with Monica Crowley, August 7, 2011
Discussing the Filiming of "Platoon" During the EDSA Revolution and the Outbreak of the Filipino Civil War
CROWLEY: Mr. Kove, in light of your foray into political activism due to the Second Korean War breaking out and the downfall of the Philippine junta, I think that it would be safe to discuss your viewpoint on how the Philippines had fallen into civil war. As I understand, you were working on the Platoon movie as a fitness consultant, given your background in martial arts. How did you react to the news of former President Ferdinand Marcos's relocation to one of his strongholds in northern Philippines?
KOVE: (sighs) My first reaction was that of relief. Mind you, the movie project was nearly cancelled by the Revolution. When Corazon Aquino became president, we were relieved to hear that the shooting of Platoon would resume. However, the outbreak of the Filipino Civil War in April of 1986 had forced the director to suspend the filming. As a result, we ended up fighting on the front lines for real. The military style boot camp training that Dale Dye gave to the actors proved to be in handy when we helped form the International Legion of National Liberation for the Philippines. Of course, President Reagan had officially outlawed the participation of American citizens in the Filipino Civil War, but had left a loophole open, in which Americans are allowed to volunteer on a non-combat related basis. Those volunteers who arrived as humanitarian volunteers would later switch to front line combat soldiers.
CROWLEY: The presence of American volunteers had been met with outrage by the American public back home, and indeed, it was one of the major factors in the shocking results in the 1986 Mid-Term Elections, in which New York state, as well as Oregon, had been won by Democrat senators. How was it that the Democrats were able to exploit President Reagan's failure to close the loophole in his ban on Americans volunteering in the Philippines?
KOVE: Well, when it became apparent that those volunteers within the ILNLP had been captured during the disastrous Pangasinan Offensive, when pro-Aquino troops were ambushed by pro-Marcos forces in the border between Pangasinan and La Union. Luckily, I wasn't on the front lines, mostly because I fled for the safety of the American military base in Subic Bay. However, most of my colleagues were not lucky. In fact, as you know, it took the death of Johnny Depp to galvanize the American public to take action against President Reagan. Indeed, Kentucky had ridden on Depp's death to elect Wendell Ford, who took a whooping 81.3% of the vote. New York on the other hand, was shocked with the victory of Mark Green over Al D'Amato. New York was important, because of the presence of anti-Marcos Filipino activists.
CROWLEY: I remember that time when Reagan was disappointed after the Mid-Terms were done. From 1986 onwards, he was in damage control mode, trying to avoid any more screw ups, but Tadiargate had torpedoed former Vice President Bush's chances of getting elected, and Bob Dole's chances of securing the Presidency went down with Michael Dukakis's strong electoral campaign that was backed by the anti-Marcos activists. Who did you vote for in the Mid-Terms, BTW?
KOVE: Of course, I voted for Mark Green. Even though he performed well, it was not until the Kemp years that I grew nervous at the increasing extreme rhetoric coming from that guy. It isn't an accident that there were anti-Kemp protests that broke out throughout the years that he was in the Oval Office.
CROWLEY: All right then. (pauses) Back to the filming of Platoon. In the aftermath of the civil war, when it appeared that the pro-Marcos forces were about to inflict a final defeat on the pro-democracy forces, that was when Artemio Tadiar's troops finally intervened on the side of President Aquino. Do you think that Artemio Tadiar was simply biding his time by taking the fight to the communists and the Islamist rebels in the south?
KOVE: Greg Honasan was right about Tadiar though: he saw an opportunity, and struck first against his former commander in chief. He struck hard next, against the President he saved through the coup that he launched in 1989, and most of all, he showed no mercy to his political opponents. Even though Platoon was a successful movie in the late 1980s, I felt that its legacy is a cultural double edged sword. The fact that the Tadiar dictatorship had played a major role in completing the movie is, to my never-ending shame, a travesty. We could have cancelled the production, but Tadiar was impressed by our combat record that he gave all of his support.
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"President Marcos might have saved the legacy of the Kilusang Bagong Lipunan from the more outspoken dissidents that have turned against him in the 1986 EDSA Uprising, but never in my imagination that I would actually see the breakaway offshoot in the Kilusang Pambansang Soberanya actually radicalize further towards the right. No doubt that it was the party that Artemio Tadiar supported, but the junta held the real power behind the puppet throne. Of course, they had to use former Vice President-elect Arturo Tolentino as their civilian face, while Elly Pamatong had emerged as its puppet Prime Minister. Since their radicalization after the Chinese military aggression against SE Asia, especially the Philippines, the KPS had merged with another far-right movement led by Nicanor Faeldon and the Fatherland Freedom Party to recreate the dreaded Kalibapi, or the Kapisanan ng Paglilingkod sa Bagong Pilipinas. The Kalibapi was officially recreated in 1996, ten years after the EDSA Uprising resulted in a political standoff, leading to the civil war. When I first saw a Kalibapi rally in Manila during their first day, I was horrified. They had these torch light rallies, and they looked fanatical. What really shocked me though, was the children that went to the various Goyo Academy schools throughout the Philippines. They were dressed like they were in the American Boy Scouts, but you can see that their eyes had lost their innocence. What I saw was a mere shell of what they were once like. I asked myself: did we trade a conjugal dictatorship for a combined military-one party dictatorship with a known war criminal and open backer of state supported terrorism that played a role in the infamous Shanghai Oriental Pearl and Radio Tower Attack?" Salvador Panelo, during an interview with SBS World News Channel, August 21, 2014.
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OPPOSITION-LINKED MILITIAS RISE IN VARIOUS PHILIPPINE PROVINCES AS CORAZON AQUINO FORMALLY SWEARS OATH OF OFFICE, OFFICIALLY BECOMING THE NEW PRESIDENT OF THE PHILIPPINES
Manila Times
March 25, 1986
(Plaridel, BULACAN) - Although fears of civil war have constantly increased, there were numerous reports of anti-Marcos opposition linked militias that have sprung up throughout the rural areas of the Philippines. Confirmed by both Acting Vice President Claimant Fabian Ver and newly recognized President Corazon Aquino, the opposition-linked militias have been organized in the province of Bulacan. The militias had taken the first initiative in targeting any government official that continued to take orders from former President Ferdinand Marcos, mainly through assassinations and other drive by shootings. In response, pro-Marcos armed groups were formed to protect those same politicians that are now being targeted by anti-Marcos vigilante groups. While the Aquino administration has welcomed the formation of the armed militia groups, she has also warned them against taking any vigilante style action that would escalate the conflict into an open war within the Philippines.
"While the dictator still looms at large in his base in Ilocos Norte, we must continue the struggle to defeat him, and to put an end to his corrosive legacy. However, at the same time, we must also exercise restraint when dealing with our enemies," says Aqunio, over a live broadcast in Radio Veritas. "We must demonstrate our morality in winning over former enemies, lest we end up becoming like our enemies. That way, they would win the war and we'd win the battles."
In addition to the opposition linked militias forming in the rural areas of the Philippines, the notorious Alsa Masa paramilitary group, which had been in existence since the early 1980s, had called for the liquidation of all known suspected communists and communist sympathizers. Lt. Col. Franco Calida, who headed the paramilitary group, had not declared his support for either the deposed President or the newly elected successor, but had sided with the controversial Colonel Artemio Tadiar. Tadiar, known for the infamous Ortigas Avenue Massacre, had welcomed Calida's allegiance to him, and has also called for those 'patriotic soldiers' fighting the communists in the south to give assistance to Alsa Masa.
"There is no better patriot who has dedicated his duty to fighting the communist menace in the South than Lt. Col. Franco Calida," says Col. Tadiar, during a military rally in front of Camp Aguinaldo. "A patriot whose service to the Republic should be a valued comrade, in times of great difficulty."
Meanwhile, US troops stationed in Subic Bay are advised to remain within the confines of their barracks as the political situation inside the Philippines continues to worsen. Additionally, President Ronald Reagan has ordered all US forces stationed in the Asia-Pacific region to be on stand by in case the Soviet Union or China takes advantage of the situation inside the Philippines. Likewise, Soviet Premier Mikhail Gorbachev has also ordered all Soviet forces stationed in Cam Ranh Bay (the main Soviet naval base in neighboring Vietnam) to be alert in case the US forces have decided on a different course of action. At the same time, both President Reagan and Premier Gorbachev have recognized the change in the Philippine government, and have congratulated President Aquino on her successful electoral victory over deposed former President Marcos. However, Premier Gorbachev has also given a stern warning towards the Aquino administration.
"We hope to work together with the Aquino government, and at the same time we must advise our colleagues in the Philippines on preventing the worst excesses of reactionary behavior coming from one of your military officers that presided over a massacre," says Premier Gorbachev, during a Politburo session in the Kremlin. "The worsening political situation in the Philippines is something that I will have to discuss with our Chinese and Vietnamese comrades when we will travel to China for an official state visit."
China's government under Premier Zhao Ziyang has not yet commented on the change in the Philippine government, although Philippine-born PLA officer Ye Fei has been consulted on how to deal with his former homeland by the Zhao regime. The change in the Philippine government has not yet affected the policies of the Chinese government, but the ongoing territorial disputes in the Spratly Islands has caused the Aquino government to rethink about its foreign policy towards the communist bloc.
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 2, 2022 6:49:16 GMT
Would Willem Dafoe still fight in the Philippine Civil War?
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jun 2, 2022 7:01:09 GMT
Would Willem Dafoe still fight in the Philippine Civil War? Most likely, and Depp still dies. However, as hinted in the update, Reagan’s emerging Deppgate could damage the Republicans enough to provide support for Dukakis, with Jackson being his VP. That’s going to be the major change from the original version. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 2, 2022 13:26:24 GMT
Would Willem Dafoe still fight in the Philippine Civil War? Most likely, and Depp still dies. However, as hinted in the update, Reagan’s emerging Deppgate could damage the Republicans enough to provide support for Dukakis, with Jackson being his VP. That’s going to be the major change from the original version. This butterflies away him being in the Pirates of the Caribbean for TTL. I wonder who would replace Johnny Depp. China would be a "diplomatic ally" for Aquino. I remember in OTL, it was France and China that recognize the Aquino government first. Zhao Ziyang, Yang Shangkun, Deng Xiaoping, and Ye Fei saw Aquino as an economic partner because of her Chinese roots. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jun 2, 2022 14:07:55 GMT
In the original version, Pirates of the Caribbean did not exist as a movie, but Columbia Rediviva took its place, and Ralph Macchio starred in that movie.
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jun 19, 2022 2:22:27 GMT
CHAPTER FOUR: BATTLE LINES AND PROXY WARS
UNITED KINGDOM, CHINA, TO RECOGNIZE NEWLY FORMED AQUINO GOVERNMENT, WHILE US AND USSR MUTED ON GROWING POLITICAL CRISIS IN THE PHILIPPINES
Vancouver Sun
April 2, 1986
(Manila, PHILIPPINES) - The first significant breakthrough for the newly recognized Philippine government of Corazon Aquino came from the United Kingdom and Red China, which had sent their congratulatory note to the new President today. The British Ambassador to the Philippines, Sir Robin McLaren, had been instructed by British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, to present his diplomatic credentials to President Aquino, while the Chinese government is still debating on which envoy they will send to the Philippines. For Beijing, the political position of the new Aquino administration is heavily tied to their national security, since the US naval base in Subic Bay has been a source of major concern for China's maritime security. In addition, the Soviet government has also been silent on the growing political instability within the Philippines, as they saw the brutal crackdown against protesters as a sign that the collapse of the Marcos regime would inevitably create a power vacuum. Likewise, the American government has also been silent on the recent political events taking place, and as a result, President Reagan has announced a slight increase in the troop deployments to its overseas bases in the Indo-Pacific region.
"While we would like to see democracy take hold in the country that we liberated from Spanish colonial tyranny and taught it the democratic values that we hold today, we also fear that the political violence will increase, as a result of a drastic increase in political violence," said President Reagan, during a session in Congress. "However, there are those who still hold their loyalty to a disgraced dictator who does not realize that his time is up. We call upon those Filipinos that still remained loyal to their fallen leader to see the errors of their ways and join the right side."
President Reagan's plea for the political violence in the Philippines to subside rings hollow, as paramilitary forces tied to controversial military officer in Colonel Artemio Tadiar had carried out several assassinations on recently freed former political prisoners that were given amnesty by President Aquino. Among the murdered victims of far-right vigilante violence were Jose Maria Sison, the former leader of the Communist Party of the Philippines and nominal head of the New People's Army, and Benigno and Wilma Tiamzon, the key figures in the communist insurgency that has gone on long since 1969. As a result of the targeted killings, the surviving members of the New People's Army have begun to attack checkpoints controlled by the same far-right vigilantes that were responsible for the murders of said communist leaders. The Communist Party of the Philippines on the other hand, had elected Gregorio Rosal as its new leader, succeeding the assassinated Sison.
"The blood of the martyred leaders of the revolution is on the hands of reactionary generals who feared the wrath of the people, and our revolution now has a clear enemy in mind," says Rosal, during an unauthorized CPP rally in Ibaan, Batangas, shortly before Philippine troops aligned to Colonel Tadiar had dispersed the crowd. "The time for revenge has come, and Artemio Tadiar will die, by our own hand!"
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Portions from the Interview with Perennial Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin
FOX News Interview With Angela McGlowan, March 16, 2015
Discussing the Origins of the Republican Party Schism
McGlowan: We've talked often about the sad state of the Republican Party, but not everyone is aware of how it began, and why it happened. You yourself have observed the growing sub-factions within the Republicans, as a result of the Kemp administration's rather unsavory activities that certainly had the hand of the rogue CIA faction in the Corsairs. To be honest, we were all stunned at just how the Republicans had become so disunited. What do you think, Ms. Palin?
Palin: (sighs) I think that the rot within the Republican Party began with the Reagan administration's decision to wait and see while the growing political violence in the Philippines spiraled into an actual shooting civil war within the political factions there. Even when everyone within the Washington consensus agreed that the late President Marcos was finished as a leader, when we learned about Cory Aquino's decision to give amnesty to all the political opponents that were jailed during the First Dictatorship, the late Major General Tadiar, though he was still a colonel back then, had given the order to kill the leaders of the communist movement in the Philippines. That also played into the hands of Gregorio Rosal, who then proceeded to recruit so many disenchanted students fed up with the government propaganda there, and train them to become revolutionaries. The communist terror in the first few months of the Filipino Civil War, along with the Marcos faction's foray into the rest of northern Luzon, had resulted in the Aquino government gaining a rather unsavory reputation as an inept government.
McGlowan: Yeah, the casualty reports are huge, from what I can remember. Even now, various civilians would often find human remains while trying to grow crops within their farms. Moreover, the Aquino government found out, much to their shock, that they only have under 13,000 troops under their control. What was worse for the Aquino faction, was that the growing communist violence had allowed both former President Marcos and then-Colonel Tadiar to launch simultaneous attacks on the pro-Aquino forces-
Palin: Excuse me, but I think it was more of former President Marcos attacking the pro-Aquino faction's troops, than a simultaneous attack. Then-Colonel Tadiar had relocated much of the military leadership that pledged their allegiance to him to what is now the current capital city in Kabankalan. Tadiar was dealing with the communists the most, and had he extended his war into Mindanao, he would not have gotten the support needed to take power from Nur Misuari.
McGlowan: All right. Going back to the Republican Schism, as the Democrats called it. What was the catalyst for the start of the schism, other than the Reagan administration's inaction?
Palin: I would probably say that the decision made by President Reagan in October of 1986 to supply both the pro-Aquino and Tadiar-aligned troops with weapons was probably the main catalyst. For one thing, the Filipinos living in my district still complain bitterly about how it was American weaponry that was employed to crack down on the protesters fighting against Tadiar's rise to power that resulted in a slight Republican loss in the 1986 Mid-Term elections. However, I think that Tadiargate was another catalyst, for it not only torpedoed former Vice President Bush's presidential ambitions, but had played a role in the election of Michael Dukakis as President. Bob Dole at that time, was running a smooth campaign, but many people had grown suspicious of the Republicans because they presided over Tadiar's rise to power. Yet, at the same time, the Democrats also suffered a schism, primarily because of former Vice President Jesse Jackson, who was Dukakis's running mate in the Democratic Party ticket. The decision to choose Jackson over say, Lloyd Bentsen was considered an extremely risky move, but paid off enormously, as Vice President Jackson was able to get the South into the Democratic camp.
McGlowan: I distinctly remember the time that President Dukakis had won the Presidency that night. It was like a large amount of burden had been lifted from our shoulders. What was your reaction to the unexpected victory of Michael Dukakis?
Palin: Well, I asked myself: did we really want another Republican presidency after the combined scandals of both Iran-Contra and Tadiargate? I worked as an intern for KTUU 2 during the 1988 Presidential Elections, and the entire state was firmly behind Bob Dole. I wasn't politically active by then.
McGlowan: But you eventually ran for local politics in 1992 as a councilor within Wasilla City.
Palin: Yes, and that was my foray into politics. My obsession with cutting wasteful spending eventually resulted in me becoming a key figure in fiscal conservatism, in that I was advocating for cost cutting policies that gave more Alaskans money in their pockets. The fact that I also gave a critique on what the anti-oligarchial populists called crony capitalism, had ruffled the feathers of the Establishment. I wasn't surprised that I would have gone on to join the Alaskan Libertarian Party in 2000, the same year that Texas made history by electing Ross Perot as its first Libertarian governor. Oh, and there was an attempt to form an Alaskan pro-independence party, but that quickly collapsed when it became apparent that only six members had been registered, and even they were pessimistic about its success.
McGlowan: Anyways, going back to the rot within the Republican Party, did the split benefited other small parties in question, including the Libertarian Party?
Palin: To a degree, yes. However, as I kept on putting my name in the ballot box as a Presidential candidate and losing every single time, that's why I was labeled as a perennial candidate. However, it proved to be a blessing in disguise, as more Americans are able to open their eyes to the fact that the Democrats and Republicans continue to dominate American politics. We needed a massive shake up, and thankfully, it was the horrific tenure of the Kemp administration that gave the Republican Party a much needed kick in the ass.
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CHINA TO SEND THREE ENVOYS TO THE PHILIPPINES AS BOTH US AND USSR CONSIDER NEXT MOVES IN GROWING POLITICAL CRISIS
Edmonton Journal
April 15, 1986
(Manila, PHILIPPINES) - The Chinese government today, had announced that they would send three envoys that would act as representatives of the communist state to the Philippines, as an effort to boost ties between them and the new Aquino government. The surprise move by Beijing had stunned the world, as both the United States and the Soviet Union, are scrambling to decide on what to do next in the emerging political crisis in the Philippines. Chinese Premier Hu Yaobang had selected Philippine-born Ye Fei, and two intellectuals in Wang Ruowang and Liu Binyan, as envoys that would help strengthen ties between the two nations. Premier Hu's decision to select the Philippine-born Ye Fei was crucial, since his ties to his birth country, along with President Aquino's Chinese ancestry, had made a perfect match for China's decision to recognize the Aquino government as the sole, legal representative of the Philippines.
"The ties between our nations go back a thousand years, though with European colonialism having interrupted that ancient bond, our ties deteriorated. Now that a new government in the Philippines has arisen, we are in a position where we can guide it to a new, democratic future, different from what America and the Soviet bloc would want," says Premier Hu, during a session in the Chinese Politburo. "After twenty plus years of a fascist dictatorship, the Philippines is ready to embrace a future of hopeful opportunism."
However, the lingering territorial disputes between the two nations remained a sore point in their diplomatic relations. Additionally, the US military presence in the Philippines, along with Soviet military presence in Vietnam, has made China's national security concerns bigger, as it hasn't fully trusted the two superpowers once again. In addition, the ongoing Vietnamese occupation of Cambodia had also been a source of open hostility between China and Vietnam. China's decision to extend its diplomatic overtures to the Philippines is seen by both Washington and Moscow as a way of encircling communist Vietnam by means of threatening its national security. In addition, various nations around SE Asia had remained silent on the 'deposition' of former President Marcos, although Burma is paying close attention to the Philippine crisis, fearing that a successful bloodless revolution would be emulated in a country still run by a military junta.
"Our government has to take sides in this growing turmoil with our neighbor," says Vietnamese President Trường Chinh, during a speech in front of the Vietnamese military officer cadets that have gathered at the National Defense Academy. "Our enemy to the north is trying to swing the Philippines to its side, as a means of encircling us with hostile enemies. As a result, we will have to approach both our Soviet comrades and American adversaries for our offer of assistance in cooling down the turmoil in the Philippines."
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"The lull between Marcos's deposition from power in March of 1986 to the full scale open conflict breaking out in the next month was dominated by various political and diplomatic wrangling. While the renegade faction of Philippine military officers led by Artemio Tadiar had relocated to a minor town of Kabankalan, which eventually became the new capital of the Philippines in 2001, in order to take the fight to the communist rebels that were enraged by the blatant, brutal murder of Jose Maria Sison, and Benigno and Wilma Tiamzon on April 2, 1986, the war between the pro-Marcos and pro-Aquino forces had gone to war with each other. The 1st Infantry 'Tabak' Division, as well as the 4th Mechanized Infantry Battalion and much of the Naval Forces Northern Luzon's fleet had sided with the Aquino faction, but their weakness lay with the lack of heavy weapons, mainly tanks. Most of the M41 Walker Bulldogs held by the Philippine military had been seized by the pro-Marcos forces, transforming the pro-Aquino forces into a primarily infantry-dominated army that had to improvise on creating a poor man's brigade combat team. In contrast, while the pro-Marcos forces had the advantage of possessing certain heavy weapons the the tanks and to a lesser extent, 5 M114 field howitzers, their weakness came from the declining support for the former President, who was now backed by the new Vice President, Fabian Ver, after its previous former Vice-President-elect Arturo Tolentino was expelled from Kilusang Bagong Lipunan, due to the latter's growing criticism of former President Marcos. By contrast, Artemio Tadiar's renegade forces had the chronic issue of a lack of better infantry weapons, as evident by the constant confiscation and acquisition of weapons taken from captured or dead NPA terrorists. Such handicaps resulted in the Filipino Civil War being dragged for a couple of months. Within that time period however, certain military doctrines had been developed by the competing sides. As mentioned earlier, the pro-Aquino forces developed a crude but surprisingly effective brigade combat team that specialized in light infantry attacks, as well as anti-tank warfare and infiltration tactics. This new kind of developed tactics helped them endure the constant thrusts made by the pro-Marcos forces during the First Battle of Villasis in January of 1987, where the Jungle Fighter Division had managed to inflict significant casualties on the pro-Marcos forces's 1st Mechanized Infantry Battalion. However, their significant weakness is that when subjected to a war of attrition, much of the trained officers and NCOs attached to the quasi-brigade combat team would eventually be killed, or wounded, leaving the regular troops with lack of leadership. On the other hand, the pro-Marcos forces took advantage of their possessions of the M41 Walker Bulldogs and M114 field howitzers and relied on their firepower to soften the enemy defenses. At the same time however, they've developed a rather crude maneuver warfare, where they took advantage of their mechanized mobility to hit their enemies where they least expected it. Unfortunately, it only takes a hit from an anti-tank weapon or seizure of fuel to grind the vehicles to a halt. Artemio Tadiar's renegade forces though, had also developed their own quasi-brigade combat team to deal with the communists. However, they were also resourceful in that they managed to commandeer civilian vehicles, such as pick up trucks (which were mainly used to carry captured weapons), and tricycles, of which rural villages had them in significant quantities. The most important aspect of the Tadiar-aligned forces however, was their possession of equipment needed for amphibious operations. Unconfirmed numbers of KAAV7A1s were in possession by the Tadiar-aligned forces, as well as V-150 Commandos, which were used extensively in the conflicts against the communists in Visayas and Mindanao." From 'The Evolution of Philippine Military Doctrine', released by the popular video website, BroadCast, May 21, 2016.
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Portions from the Interview with Former Secretary of State Bob Kerrey
Democracy Now! Interview with Amy Goodman, June 14, 2002
Recalling the Reagan Administration's Handling of the Philippine Political Crisis and the Catalyst for the 1986 Mid-Term Elections
Goodman: As I recall some of your words that you've spoken during the 1986 Mid-term elections, the handling of the Philippine Crisis by the Reagan administration was seen as the catalyst for the start of the Republican Party's loss of fortunes. All of Washington was shocked when news reached the former President that both Great Britain and China had recognized the Aquino government, while we were still stuck on what to do next, in light of Major General Tadiar's decision to go rogue, so to speak. Why did it take so long for the Reagan administration to finally do something about the Philippines?
Kerrey: (sighs) To be honest, the Reagan administration was initially going to help evacuate the entire Marcos family from the Philippines to Hawaii, but that plan went out of the window when Fabian Ver had relocated the entire family and cabinet to their home province, in what we now call Ilocos Prefecture. Now that the Philippines was practically at loggerheads with itself, it was only a matter of time before the shooting began, and boy, did we receive a very nasty Halloween surprise, when the pro-Marcos regime loyalist forces launched an attack against the pro-Aquino troops in the small town of Narvacan, which was seen as the first major battle of what historians call the Filipino Civil War. However, it was the Villasis attack that grabbed the attention of the entire world, because of how large scale was the attack.
Goodman: From what I heard, General Ver wanted to attack on Christmas, but feared that the Aquino government was going to receive significant military aid from other nations, especially the United Kingdom. China had sent envoys to the Aquino government in order to strengthen ties, while even Chile under strongman Augusto Pinochet had opted to wait until further events would develop. Once it became clear that left-wing activists who were freed and given amnesty by the Aquino government were infiltrating all positions of said government, the Reagan administration slowly distanced itself, until they were forced to side with the Aquino government.
Kerrey: I agree, and part of the reason why President Reagan was slow to respond was because he was still thinking in terms of the Cold War. We could not afford to lose the Philippines to a communist revolution, but at the same time we feared repeating the Chilean situation where we backed the rise of Augusto Pinochet to power, leading to the mass murders committed by his troops. Eventually, we did persuade the Aquino government to mend ties with Tadiar's renegade forces, but the alliance was fragile at best. Certainly, rogue elements within the CIA, both Cowboys and Corsairs alike, saw the benefit of siding with the more dangerous Tadiar than the lame duck Aquino, and in fact, some of the weapons we shipped to the pro-Aquino forces were 'lost', and we only found them when they turned up in the hands of the Tadiar-aligned forces. Eventually, the disastrous Sorsogon Scandal of October 7, 1987, where it was revealed that some of the 'lost' American military equipment that were 'missing' in the Subic Bay military base, had ended up being used by Tadiar-aligned forces against the pro-Marcos troops. Those people that had a hand in that scandal were quietly shuffled out of power. Unfortunately, with the Tadiar-aligned forces awash with our weapons that were supposed to be in the hands of the pro-Aquino forces, they were able to launch a coup that ultimately exiled the Aquino family to Canada, and the rest is history.
Goodman: Did you benefit from the declining fortunes of the Republican Party though?
Kerrey: I did, to a certain degree. I wasn't running for the House of Representatives position though.
Goodman: Ah, yes. I seem to recall that you were being selected by President Dukakis as the next Secretary of State.
Kerrey: Yes, and both President Dukakis and Vice President Jackson were adamant on bringing in some fresh blood to reinvigorate the White House. To be honest, it was the combination of the Iran-Contra Scandal and Tadiargate that started the rot within the Republican Party, but sadly, the Democrats were in the same boat as the Republicans. The only difference is that the Democrats were slowly being fractured into the Progressive and Liberal wings, with Social Progressive Democrats becoming more vocal about challenging the status quo, and the Liberal Democrats wanting to adopt certain tenets from Libertarianism. The ideological differences wasn't as pronounced as the differences within the Republican Party.
Goodman: The Chinese conflict in the West Philippine Sea had certainly affected the policies of the Dukakis administration, but Vice President Jackson was out of his league when he and President Dukakis were forced to deal with the Chinese bombing. By then, with the ongoing Kemp administration eager to demonstrate to the world that they're different from the Dukakis administration, it seems to us that the political divide will become much larger as it goes on.
Kerrey: Yes, and in a way, it took Jack Kemp to simply kick the rotting structure of the Republican Party to collapse. Unfortunately, the Democrat clone of Kemp in James Traficant had done the same thing, only he split from the Democratic Party to form the National Revival Party, which in itself was a radical movement that edged a bit more towards a kind of American Ceasar-esque movement.
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"When the Filipino Civil War broke out in October of 1986, all three sides of the conflict were faced with weapons related issues. For this reason, several old weapons left over from WWII were employed by all sides. The most famous of these WWII era weapons used in the Filipino Civil War was the Thompson sub machine gun. Developed in 1918 by US Army Brigadier General John Thompson, the submachine gun bearing his name was meant to be used for close range combat. Although the Thompson was used extensively during World War Two, it was not the only submachine gun that was used. The M3 submachine gun, nicknamed the Grease Gun, was the main submachine gun that was stockpiled by the Philippine military. Though it was eventually mothballed by the 1970s, the outbreak of the Filipino Civil War forced all three warring sides to reintroduce them to second line and reserve combat troops, while foreign powers were debating on which kind of military aid was going to be sent to any one of them. While both the pro-Marcos and Tadiar-aligned forces had used the M3 submachine guns in their front line combat, the pro-Aquino forces mainly used whatever there is left of the Thompson submachine gun. In addition, M1 Garands and M1 Carbines had also been reintroduced in the battlefields of northern Luzon and southern Visayas, though they were upgraded with scopes, transforming them into sniper rifles. However, starting in May of 1987, when military aid was starting to arrive in the Philippines, the Vietnamese government had donated a few of their leftover MP 44 assault rifles that they've obtained from the Soviet Union, which in turn, they've acquired from surrendered German soldiers at the end of WWII. Australia and the United Kingdom in turn, would send much of their old Sten submachine guns to the Philippines, along with a few modern weapons, but it was Vietnam and Indonesia that would send the largest amount of weapons to the Philippines. Looking to get rid of much of its WWII era surplus military supplies, Vietnam would donate most of their M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, and M1919 Browning Machine guns to the Philippines, where most of these weapons would be seized by the Tadiar-aligned forces. Indonesia too, would send their WWII era military supplies to the Philippines, mainly the Type 100 submachine gun originally obtained from Japan after WWII, and the Types 96 and 99 light machine guns also obtained from Japan. Eventually, modern weapons would also be sent to the Philippines, but not before the political agreement made between the pro-Aquino and Tadiar-aligned forces would be made, though this would be short lived, as Tadiar's rise to power in 1988 would ensure his total consolidation of power would be uninterrupted." From Simple History, episode titled "WWII Weapons in the Filipino Civil War", released on March 26, 2022.
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 19, 2022 12:22:47 GMT
What would happen to Project Chestnut here? Meaning the Sino-American cooperation to spy on the USSR will end earlier? "When the Filipino Civil War broke out in October of 1986, all three sides of the conflict were faced with weapons related issues. For this reason, several old weapons left over from WWII were employed by all sides. The most famous of these WWII era weapons used in the Filipino Civil War was the Thompson sub machine gun. Developed in 1918 by US Army Brigadier General John Thompson, the submachine gun bearing his name was meant to be used for close range combat. Although the Thompson was used extensively during World War Two, it was not the only submachine gun that was used. The M3 submachine gun, nicknamed the Grease Gun, was the main submachine gun that was stockpiled by the Philippine military. Though it was eventually mothballed by the 1970s, the outbreak of the Filipino Civil War forced all three warring sides to reintroduce them to second line and reserve combat troops, while foreign powers were debating on which kind of military aid was going to be sent to any one of them. While both the pro-Marcos and Tadiar-aligned forces had used the M3 submachine guns in their front line combat, the pro-Aquino forces mainly used whatever there is left of the Thompson submachine gun. In addition, M1 Garands and M1 Carbines had also been reintroduced in the battlefields of northern Luzon and southern Visayas, though they were upgraded with scopes, transforming them into sniper rifles. However, starting in May of 1987, when military aid was starting to arrive in the Philippines, the Vietnamese government had donated a few of their leftover MP 44 assault rifles that they've obtained from the Soviet Union, which in turn, they've acquired from surrendered German soldiers at the end of WWII. Australia and the United Kingdom in turn, would send much of their old Sten submachine guns to the Philippines, along with a few modern weapons, but it was Vietnam and Indonesia that would send the largest amount of weapons to the Philippines. Looking to get rid of much of its WWII era surplus military supplies, Vietnam would donate most of their M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, and M1919 Browning Machine guns to the Philippines, where most of these weapons would be seized by the Tadiar-aligned forces. Indonesia too, would send their WWII era military supplies to the Philippines, mainly the Type 100 submachine gun originally obtained from Japan after WWII, and the Types 96 and 99 light machine guns also obtained from Japan. Eventually, modern weapons would also be sent to the Philippines, but not before the political agreement made between the pro-Aquino and Tadiar-aligned forces would be made, though this would be short lived, as Tadiar's rise to power in 1988 would ensure his total consolidation of power would be uninterrupted." From Simple History, episode titled "WWII Weapons in the Filipino Civil War", released on March 26, 2022. I think apart from WWII guns, the Uzi and KG-9 would be the most used submachine gun. You saw Enrile hold an Uzi everywhere he went during ESDA. Thompsons were rare by the 1980s. The Grease Gun was more common. I doubt IJA weapons the Indonesians would provide were still functioning, especially with the ammo problem. We could see the FN FALs, Galils, AKs and the variants ending up in the Filipino Civil War. |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jun 20, 2022 3:16:05 GMT
What would happen to Project Chestnut here? Meaning the Sino-American cooperation to spy on the USSR will end earlier? "When the Filipino Civil War broke out in October of 1986, all three sides of the conflict were faced with weapons related issues. For this reason, several old weapons left over from WWII were employed by all sides. The most famous of these WWII era weapons used in the Filipino Civil War was the Thompson sub machine gun. Developed in 1918 by US Army Brigadier General John Thompson, the submachine gun bearing his name was meant to be used for close range combat. Although the Thompson was used extensively during World War Two, it was not the only submachine gun that was used. The M3 submachine gun, nicknamed the Grease Gun, was the main submachine gun that was stockpiled by the Philippine military. Though it was eventually mothballed by the 1970s, the outbreak of the Filipino Civil War forced all three warring sides to reintroduce them to second line and reserve combat troops, while foreign powers were debating on which kind of military aid was going to be sent to any one of them. While both the pro-Marcos and Tadiar-aligned forces had used the M3 submachine guns in their front line combat, the pro-Aquino forces mainly used whatever there is left of the Thompson submachine gun. In addition, M1 Garands and M1 Carbines had also been reintroduced in the battlefields of northern Luzon and southern Visayas, though they were upgraded with scopes, transforming them into sniper rifles. However, starting in May of 1987, when military aid was starting to arrive in the Philippines, the Vietnamese government had donated a few of their leftover MP 44 assault rifles that they've obtained from the Soviet Union, which in turn, they've acquired from surrendered German soldiers at the end of WWII. Australia and the United Kingdom in turn, would send much of their old Sten submachine guns to the Philippines, along with a few modern weapons, but it was Vietnam and Indonesia that would send the largest amount of weapons to the Philippines. Looking to get rid of much of its WWII era surplus military supplies, Vietnam would donate most of their M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, and M1919 Browning Machine guns to the Philippines, where most of these weapons would be seized by the Tadiar-aligned forces. Indonesia too, would send their WWII era military supplies to the Philippines, mainly the Type 100 submachine gun originally obtained from Japan after WWII, and the Types 96 and 99 light machine guns also obtained from Japan. Eventually, modern weapons would also be sent to the Philippines, but not before the political agreement made between the pro-Aquino and Tadiar-aligned forces would be made, though this would be short lived, as Tadiar's rise to power in 1988 would ensure his total consolidation of power would be uninterrupted." From Simple History, episode titled "WWII Weapons in the Filipino Civil War", released on March 26, 2022. I think apart from WWII guns, the Uzi and KG-9 would be the most used submachine gun. You saw Enrile hold an Uzi everywhere he went during ESDA. Thompsons were rare by the 1980s. The Grease Gun was more common. I doubt IJA weapons the Indonesians would provide were still functioning, especially with the ammo problem. We could see the FN FALs, Galils, AKs and the variants ending up in the Filipino Civil War. The Arisakas though, I would suspect that they'd probably use it as a ceremonial rifle, although the South Korean K2 might also be a potential candidate. However, I would also keep the option of having a more robust Philippine defense industry being developed, just like in the original version. Also, OTL Philippines had upgraded their M3 Grease Gun for their Marine Corps.  I'm not sure yet, if the Philippine Marine Corps could be able to upgrade any acquired Sten submachine guns, or any other submachine guns that they may acquire that's at least several decades old. Project Chestnut could happen under a Democrat presidency, although an alternative version of this project could happen in a China that manages to ditch its communist ideology and become a gigantic version of a Scandinavian social democratic state. This however, could potentially result in the Soviet Union or Russia (if the USSR still collapses) launching a similar project with Japan. And this time around, Burma would be at a crossroads. Would Burma become the analogue of OTL Philippines, with Aung San Suu Kyi becoming TTL's version of OTL Cory, or would the junta still try to put an end to the experiment with democracy? I think it might depend on whether or not China's communist regime could potentially fall apart. Now the only issue left would be the Soviet Union or Russia. Part of the reason for the rewrite to happen was obviously because of the current 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, and seeing as I had the ESF exist, it was indeed a form of bad taste, in light of what is going on. So the plan was to have Poland form its own long desired Three Seas Initiative, thereby blocking Russia from linking up with Germany. However, we're not sure if the Three Seas Initiative could be extended to Turkey as well. That could be a huge game changer if the Polish Three Seas Initiative actually included Turkey, as it would effectively block Russian ambitions (because Romania and Bulgaria would also be a part of TSI as well, theoretically speaking). However, the other possible downside to this would be that NATO would have to be abolished, in exchange for a purely Europe-based defensive alliance, while the US could be free to extend its influence to Latin America (which could potentially happen under a Kemp presidency). Ultimately, it would depend on how the fall of the USSR could play out in the reboot. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 20, 2022 11:48:38 GMT
What would happen to Project Chestnut here? Meaning the Sino-American cooperation to spy on the USSR will end earlier? I think apart from WWII guns, the Uzi and KG-9 would be the most used submachine gun. You saw Enrile hold an Uzi everywhere he went during ESDA. Thompsons were rare by the 1980s. The Grease Gun was more common. I doubt IJA weapons the Indonesians would provide were still functioning, especially with the ammo problem. We could see the FN FALs, Galils, AKs and the variants ending up in the Filipino Civil War. The Arisakas though, I would suspect that they'd probably use it as a ceremonial rifle, although the South Korean K2 might also be a potential candidate. However, I would also keep the option of having a more robust Philippine defense industry being developed, just like in the original version. Also, OTL Philippines had upgraded their M3 Grease Gun for their Marine Corps. I'm not sure yet, if the Philippine Marine Corps could be able to upgrade any acquired Sten submachine guns, or any other submachine guns that they may acquire that's at least several decades old. Project Chestnut could happen under a Democrat presidency, although an alternative version of this project could happen in a China that manages to ditch its communist ideology and become a gigantic version of a Scandinavian social democratic state. This however, could potentially result in the Soviet Union or Russia (if the USSR still collapses) launching a similar project with Japan. And this time around, Burma would be at a crossroads. Would Burma become the analogue of OTL Philippines, with Aung San Suu Kyi becoming TTL's version of OTL Cory, or would the junta still try to put an end to the experiment with democracy? I think it might depend on whether or not China's communist regime could potentially fall apart. Now the only issue left would be the Soviet Union or Russia. Part of the reason for the rewrite to happen was obviously because of the current 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, and seeing as I had the ESF exist, it was indeed a form of bad taste, in light of what is going on. So the plan was to have Poland form its own long desired Three Seas Initiative, thereby blocking Russia from linking up with Germany. However, we're not sure if the Three Seas Initiative could be extended to Turkey as well. That could be a huge game changer if the Polish Three Seas Initiative actually included Turkey, as it would effectively block Russian ambitions (because Romania and Bulgaria would also be a part of TSI as well, theoretically speaking). However, the other possible downside to this would be that NATO would have to be abolished, in exchange for a purely Europe-based defensive alliance, while the US could be free to extend its influence to Latin America (which could potentially happen under a Kemp presidency). Ultimately, it would depend on how the fall of the USSR could play out in the reboot. The illegal gunsmith business in Danao and the south would flourish. We would see paltik SMGs and M1911s in the field. Project Chesnut continued all the way until 1992 in OTL. There was no reason for it continue because the USSR collapsed and the U.S. was already suspicious of China Due to the butterflies, it maybe possible that Suu Kyi becomes the Cory Aquino of OTL. So the popular revolt in Myanmar worked while in the Philippines it devolved into a civil war. The Chinese would be watching closely until it becomes clear which side would benefit their long-term economic plans for Myanmar. Could we also have a much messier fall of the USSR such as nuclear weapons falling into the wrong hands? |
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Post by TheRomanSlayer on Jun 21, 2022 1:37:24 GMT
That is indeed true for the illegal gunsmith businesses.
I'm not sure if it might be plausible for nuclear weapons to fall into the wrong hands, especially given that this time around, Ukraine might be more willing to keep its nuclear arsenal. It would also depend on where the nuclear weapons are stationed on Ukrainian soil.
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