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Post by justiniano on Sept 20, 2022 20:32:24 GMT
What would be a good PoD for England to separate Church from state? Personally. I think, while it is recovering from ww2, the gov might want to nationalize the crown estates to recover economically from the war, the church and/or royal family object to this and so the decision to separate is made. I could be wrong. But what do you guys think?
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Post by lordroel on Sept 21, 2022 2:47:05 GMT
What would be a good PoD for England to separate Church from state? Personally. I think, while it is recovering from ww2, the gov might want to nationalize the crown estates to recover economically from the war, the church and/or royal family object to this and so the decision to separate is made. I could be wrong. But what do you guys think? The Church and Royal family, i could be wrong but this does not make sense. |
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Post by justiniano on Sept 21, 2022 4:42:34 GMT
The Church and Royal family, i could be wrong but this does not make sense. U know the king or queen of england is the head of the Anglican church (england's state church) Right? |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 21, 2022 4:51:40 GMT
The Church and Royal family, i could be wrong but this does not make sense. U know the king or queen of england is the head of the Anglican church (england's state church) Right? I know but in my eyes this entire thread does not make sense at all, but that could be just me. |
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Post by justiniano on Sept 21, 2022 4:56:29 GMT
So you don't think there's any PoD that would or could cause England to separate church from state?
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Post by lordroel on Sept 21, 2022 6:03:31 GMT
So you don't think there's any PoD that would or could cause England to separate church from state? The English crown is already separated from the Church of Schotland, so I do not see how this is going to effect anything. |
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Post by stevep on Sept 22, 2022 18:33:32 GMT
So you don't think there's any PoD that would or could cause England to separate church from state? The English crown is already separated from the Church of Schotland, so I do not see how this is going to effect anything.
In England the Anglican church is recognised as the state religion, which I think is what justiniano, is referring to. However that is very much a paper status nowadays. Its not like it was say ~150 years back when the Anglican and assorted Non-Conformist churches were involved in deep struggles over the former's prestige. For instance good education was delayed for a long time because the Anglicans insisted that as the state church any government organised school system must use Anglican clergy and methods in religious education in such schools and the non-conformists of course rejected that. Similarly for a long time Anglicans had a monopoly on access to universities.
However this is all something long past now.
In terms of seizing royal estates after WWII I can't see that being possible without ASB intervention. The monarchy was too deeply embedded in the country as a symbol of its identity. You would need something like a communist regime to consider something like that and it would probably prompt civil war.
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Post by michelvan on Sept 28, 2022 11:13:57 GMT
like Stevep and Justiniano say it make no sense to separate Anglican church from the State in form of Laicism.
You have to understand why the Anglican church exist in first place
because a Roman-Catholic Pope refuse to divorce a English King
Who his used Parliament to assert royal authority over the English church, while the Archbishop of Canterbury annul the marriage without reference to Rome !
This let to issue who is head of the English church, the Archbishop of Canterbury or Henry VIII ?
The Parliament found solution with the Act of Supremacy, formally abolished papal authority and declared Henry VIII to the Supreme Head of the Church of England.
with transfers of property of Roman-Catholic property and wealth to new the English church making Henry VII very rich...
We have a State Church installed by a Parliament, who put there sovereign as head of this State Church.
Laicism make much sense if you want to separate State from foreign Church that want to influence you state politic
one infamous example Is Belgium were the Roman-Catholic church in Rome try to dictate Belgium politic under Christian-Democratic government.
or the murder and mayhem happen as Maria Tudor became queen of England and involvement of the Roman-Catholic church in Rome.
United Kingdom is a constitutional monarchy, with direct government exercised by the government of the United Kingdom.
Not it monarch who the Supreme Head of the Church of England.
so the speration of State church from State makes no sense...
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Post by justiniano on Sept 29, 2022 4:19:30 GMT
Not it monarch who the Supreme Head of the Church of England. so the speration of State church from State makes no sense... The monarch still selects the governor general for each commonwealth country who selects a large proportion of people in these countries' law making bodies. Also the state may want to nationalize the crown estates or stop subsidizing religion. |
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Post by michelvan on Sept 29, 2022 9:56:48 GMT
The monarch still selects the governor general for each commonwealth country who selects a large proportion of people in these countries' law making bodies. Also the state may want to nationalize the crown estates or stop subsidizing religion. What has the commonwealth of Nation todo with Church of England ? |
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Post by stevep on Sept 29, 2022 13:53:17 GMT
Not it monarch who the Supreme Head of the Church of England. so the speration of State church from State makes no sense... The monarch still selects the governor general for each commonwealth country who selects a large proportion of people in these countries' law making bodies. Also the state may want to nationalize the crown estates or stop subsidizing religion.
I think your wrong here. Apart from the fact most Commonwealth states do not have the monarch as titular head of state I don't think the governor general has any role in selecting members of law making bodies in those countries. Definitely not politicians who are elected.
I'm not aware that the nation subsidizes religion, other than possibly as RE classes in school which is part of the general educational process. Pretty certain there is no special funding for the Anglican church.
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Post by justiniano on Sept 29, 2022 18:23:15 GMT
I don't think the governor general has any role in selecting members of law making bodies in those countries. Well, they do. Pretty certain there is no special funding for the Anglican church. yes there is. It's called the crown dependencies |
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Post by justiniano on Sept 29, 2022 18:23:54 GMT
What has the commonwealth of Nation todo with Church of England ? When I wote that comment I was arguing against the statement that the monarch has a ceremonial role |
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Post by stevep on Sept 30, 2022 13:30:38 GMT
I don't think the governor general has any role in selecting members of law making bodies in those countries. Well, they do. Pretty certain there is no special funding for the Anglican church. yes there is. It's called the crown dependencies
Those are the crown dependencies I'm familiar with and their nothing to do with the Anglican church, basically the islands of Man, Guernsey and Jersey. You may be thinking of the crown estate, which are nothing to do with the church, nor really the monarchy as they were given up in 1760 by George III? Prior to that date
Or is there something else your referring to?
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Post by justiniano on Sept 30, 2022 15:36:15 GMT
Or is there something else your referring to? So where does the british royal family get their money from? |
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