stevep
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Post by stevep on Nov 14, 2024 23:56:01 GMT
"Look at it this way, sir - if you can't believe what is going on before your own eyes, how d'you think the reports of whatever German and Italian agents are out there are going to be received?"
Would love to read those reports and the reactions they get.
Well I suspect Adolf an possibly Benito would still be deep in denial. However given how their forces and nations are already being pounded I would expect a lot of their more rational leaders, both political and military will be feeling their levels of despair reaching new heights.  |
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 15, 2024 1:05:32 GMT
I really don't plan to do any such reports, as the Axis nations in question are already on the ropes and do not have long remaining for this world. Further, a scene of such reports being read out, and disputed, or received in stunned horror, would not greatly add to the story or its progress. We already know that Nazi Germany has been shocked to the point of having its OODA loop broken, and that its end will come quickly, as the seeping of water causes the sudden collapse of a dam.
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 18, 2024 12:15:41 GMT
London
June 26th 1940
“On the downside, we’ve lost our main uranium production facilities in Canada. One year of work and all of it now left behind. However, weighed up against that, we have several important advantages.” Sir Wallace Akers, Director of the Tube Alloys project began quietly.
”First, we’ve got the scientists - Rutherford, Moseley, Chadwick, Cockcroft, Penney, Walton, Blackett, Oliphant, Bohr, Curie, and Maxwell, the Grand Old Man. The Americans, if and when they put a programme together, will likely have as great an array of talent, but not one to put us in the shade. Germany will likely not be a competitor for more than a few weeks at this rate, and the Russians are back in 1940.
Second, we’ve got all the facilities here in Britain still intact and running - the Capenhurst gaseous diffusion plant, the graphite reactor at Valley, the atomic production sites in Cumbria and Scotland, the laboratories at Cambridge, Oxford, London and Manchester, and the coordinating establishment being built at and beneath Aldermaston.
Third, we have the knowledge. We know that a bomb is possible, we think we know how much material is needed, and we have one design that we are quite sure that will work and another that will likely require testing. Compared to where the rest of the world sits, that is a distinct advantage.
Finally, we have, or will have, the material, in the form of our own stocks and production, the French heavy water, the Belgian material in New York and that captured by the Germans over the Channel, plus whatever pitchblende comes out of this mine that is now in Belgian hands.”
”All well and good, but what does this mean? How long?” Sir Edward Appleton appreciated the scientific and production concerns, perhaps more than the other man in the room, but he also knew that a simple answer was needed.”
”Three years. In three years, we’ll have a bomb.”
”And how much will this cost?” growled the familiar third man, clutching a long extinguished and well chewed cigar.
”Factoring in rebuilding the Canadian facilities, Prime Minister, two hundred million pounds.”
”I see.”
Churchill rose from his chair and strode over to the heavily shuttered and arcanely protected window and stared at the steel for a long moment, deep in thought.
”Then you shall have it.”
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Post by lordroel on Nov 18, 2024 15:53:29 GMT
London June 26th 1940 “On the downside, we’ve lost our main uranium production facilities in Canada. One year of work and all of it now left behind. However, weighed up against that, we have several important advantages.” Sir Wallace Akers, Director of the Tube Alloys project began quietly. ”First, we’ve got the scientists - Rutherford, Moseley, Chadwick, Cockcroft, Penney, Walton, Blackett, Oliphant, Bohr, Curie, and Maxwell, the Grand Old Man. The Americans, if and when they put a programme together, will likely have as great an array of talent, but not one to put us in the shade. Germany will likely not be a competitor for more than a few weeks at this rate, and the Russians are back in 1940. Second, we’ve got all the facilities here in Britain still intact and running - the Capenhurst gaseous diffusion plant, the graphite reactor at Valley, the atomic production sites in Cumbria and Scotland, the laboratories at Cambridge, Oxford, London and Manchester, and the coordinating establishment being built at and beneath Aldermaston. Third, we have the knowledge. We know that a bomb is possible, we think we know how much material is needed, and we have one design that we are quite sure that will work and another that will likely require testing. Compared to where the rest of the world sits, that is a distinct advantage. Finally, we have, or will have, the material, in the form of our own stocks and production, the French heavy water, the Belgian material in New York and that captured by the Germans over the Channel, plus whatever pitchblende comes out of this mine that is now in Belgian hands.” ”All well and good, but what does this mean? How long?” Sir Edward Appleton appreciated the scientific and production concerns, perhaps more than the other man in the room, but he also knew that a simple answer was needed.” ”Three years. In three years, we’ll have a bomb.” ”And how much will this cost?” growled the familiar third man, clutching a long extinguished and well chewed cigar. ”Factoring in rebuilding the Canadian facilities, Prime Minister, two hundred million pounds.” ”I see.” Churchill rose from his chair and strode over to the heavily shuttered and arcanely protected window and stared at the steel for a long moment, deep in thought. ”Then you shall have it.” So with luck, Britain will have the bomb before the Americans. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Nov 18, 2024 23:51:41 GMT
With luck? The USA doesn’t even have a program yet. I should say that the circumstances are more clear than that.
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Post by stevep on Nov 19, 2024 0:04:06 GMT
London June 26th 1940 “On the downside, we’ve lost our main uranium production facilities in Canada. One year of work and all of it now left behind. However, weighed up against that, we have several important advantages.” Sir Wallace Akers, Director of the Tube Alloys project began quietly. ”First, we’ve got the scientists - Rutherford, Moseley, Chadwick, Cockcroft, Penney, Walton, Blackett, Oliphant, Bohr, Curie, and Maxwell, the Grand Old Man. The Americans, if and when they put a programme together, will likely have as great an array of talent, but not one to put us in the shade. Germany will likely not be a competitor for more than a few weeks at this rate, and the Russians are back in 1940. Second, we’ve got all the facilities here in Britain still intact and running - the Capenhurst gaseous diffusion plant, the graphite reactor at Valley, the atomic production sites in Cumbria and Scotland, the laboratories at Cambridge, Oxford, London and Manchester, and the coordinating establishment being built at and beneath Aldermaston. Third, we have the knowledge. We know that a bomb is possible, we think we know how much material is needed, and we have one design that we are quite sure that will work and another that will likely require testing. Compared to where the rest of the world sits, that is a distinct advantage. Finally, we have, or will have, the material, in the form of our own stocks and production, the French heavy water, the Belgian material in New York and that captured by the Germans over the Channel, plus whatever pitchblende comes out of this mine that is now in Belgian hands.” ”All well and good, but what does this mean? How long?” Sir Edward Appleton appreciated the scientific and production concerns, perhaps more than the other man in the room, but he also knew that a simple answer was needed.” ”Three years. In three years, we’ll have a bomb.” ”And how much will this cost?” growled the familiar third man, clutching a long extinguished and well chewed cigar. ”Factoring in rebuilding the Canadian facilities, Prime Minister, two hundred million pounds.” ”I see.” Churchill rose from his chair and strode over to the heavily shuttered and arcanely protected window and stared at the steel for a long moment, deep in thought. ”Then you shall have it.”
Saw this yesterday but missed replying. Definitely going to be Britain 1st to the bomb, especially since they know it can be done, even with the loss of their resources in Canada and elsewhere in the empire.
Given the war ending quickly and that the US doesn't have any programme currently, or probably even real knowledge of the possibility and that I expect the British programme will be conducted in great secrecy its not impossible that no US programme will be started until they know Britain has such a weapon. Which could be not until a test or even possibly if that's done in secrecy some time after that.
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