Civil War (2024)

[lordroel]

Apr 16, 2024 16:05:29 GMT stevep said:

Apr 16, 2024 15:06:03 GMT lordroel said:

It is not much a spoiler, if you look on the map, with 3 versus 1, in the end the 3 others will fight each other.

  Ah I hadn't realised that the other two factions were fully allied with Caltex or whatever we're calling it.

In the movie it is made clear that the Western Forces (Caltex) and the Florida Alliance are not working ore coordinating their efforts together, just trying the first to be in Washington, D.C. and capture/kill the president of the Loyalist (United states).

[gillan1220]

Apr 16, 2024 16:16:16 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 16, 2024 16:05:29 GMT stevep said:

  Ah I hadn't realised that the other two factions were fully allied with Caltex or whatever we're calling it.

In the movie it is made clear that the Western Forces (Caltex) and the Florida Alliance are not working ore coordinating their efforts together, just trying the first to be in Washington, D.C. and capture/kill the president of the Loyalist (United states).

Then the Second American Civil War continues between the Western Forces and the Florida Alliance. Either side would try to claim legitimacy.

[lordroel]

Apr 16, 2024 16:44:01 GMT gillan1220 said:

Apr 16, 2024 16:16:16 GMT lordroel said:

In the movie it is made clear that the Western Forces (Caltex) and the Florida Alliance are not working ore coordinating their efforts together, just trying the first to be in Washington, D.C. and capture/kill the president of the Loyalist (United states).

Then the Second American Civil War continues between the Western Forces and the Florida Alliance. Either side would try to claim legitimacy.

Would that not be the Third American Civil War as it is now two different factions, third if you also count the New People Army.

[stevep]

Apr 16, 2024 16:45:15 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 16, 2024 16:44:01 GMT gillan1220 said:

Then the Second American Civil War continues between the Western Forces and the Florida Alliance. Either side would try to claim legitimacy.

Would that not be the Third American Civil War as it is now two different factions, third if you also count the New People Army.

  It might be a question of semantics but I would still call it the 2nd as you have 2/3 of the same factions still fighting over the US's territory.

[lordroel]

Apr 16, 2024 19:39:31 GMT stevep said:

Apr 16, 2024 16:45:15 GMT lordroel said:

Would that not be the Third American Civil War as it is now two different factions, third if you also count the New People Army.

  It might be a question of semantics but I would still call it the 2nd as you have 2/3 of the same factions still fighting over the US's territory.

See the Florida Alliance in the most advantages, they have shorter supply lines than the Western Forces (Caltex).

[lordroel]

A24 has released seemingly AI-generated posters for ‘Civil War (2024),’ here are some i found so far.

Special Forces belonging to Loyalist (United States) near the ruins of the Palace of Fine Arts, San Francisco, this was in the early days when both California and Texas had seceded from the United States but before they formed the Western Forces (CalTex) together.



The Battle of Las Vagas during the Link-Up Operation of the Western Forces (CalTex).



The Battle of Chicago during Western Forces (CalTex) advance to Washington, D.C.

[lordroel]

Another one, Miami during the early days of Florida succession before it formed the Florida Alliance.

[gillan1220]

Apr 18, 2024 9:22:37 GMT lordroel said:

A24 has released seemingly AI-generated posters for ‘Civil War (2024),’ here are some i found so far.

Special Forces belonging to Loyalist (United States) near the ruins of the Palace of Fine Arts, San Francisco, this was in the early days when both California and Texas had seceded from the United States but before they formed the Western Forces (CalTex) together.



The Battle of Las Vagas during the Link-Up Operation of the Western Forces (CalTex).



The Battle of Chicago during Western Forces (CalTex) advance to Washington, D.C.

This could easily tie-in to James G's Shanghaied.

[lordroel]

Apr 18, 2024 16:15:54 GMT gillan1220 said:

This could easily tie-in to James G's Shanghaied.[/quote]

Shanghaied has at least a better background.

Also, spoiler below, for those who do noy go to see the movie, a breakdown with a lot of information in it is posted below.

[spiegel]

do you think Americans got a vietnam style boat people exodus to across the world during 2ACW.

[lordroel]

Apr 19, 2024 4:27:01 GMT spiegel said:

do you think Americans got a vietnam style boat people exodus to across the world during 2ACW.

See large movements of people trying to cross the Mexican and Canadian borders.

[spiegel]

Apr 19, 2024 6:39:09 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 19, 2024 4:27:01 GMT spiegel said:

do you think Americans got a vietnam style boat people exodus to across the world during 2ACW.

See large movements of people trying to cross the Mexican and Canadian borders.

in the Mexican Border yeah the Federales would see a convoy of US Vehicles got escaped from the Civil War even on Canadian Border as well when the Canadian Army seeing them too aside the battles been seen on the observation towers.

[lordroel]

Apr 19, 2024 6:50:25 GMT spiegel said:

Apr 19, 2024 6:39:09 GMT lordroel said:

See large movements of people trying to cross the Mexican and Canadian borders.

in the Mexican Border yeah the Federales would see a convoy of US Vehicles got escaped from the Civil War even on Canadian Border as well when the Canadian Army seeing them too aside the battles been seen on the observation towers.

On the Canadian side i do not think we will see battles as its borders the New People Army controlled territory and Loyalist (United States) territory, the Mexcican might see combat as there would be fighting in Arizona and New Mexico, two states under the control by the Loyalist (United States) and who need to be taken under Western Forces (CalTax) control in order for them to have a connection with each other.

[stevep]

Apr 19, 2024 4:27:01 GMT spiegel said:

do you think Americans got a vietnam style boat people exodus to across the world during 2ACW.

  Probably not as it has two long land borders with neighbours which would make for much easier escape from the war.  Even if both Canada and Mexico sought to restrict refugees the borders are so long and especially in the north lightly monitored that stopping people crossing would be difficult.

  Furthermore where would such boat people go.  The nearest suitable states are again Canada and Mexico and its arguably easier and safer to reach them by land.  Unless someone tries to get to say Cuba or the Bahamas?

  What you might get, albeit on a fairly small scale probably would be flight by air with small commercial jets or possibly in some cases full sized airliners carrying people to safety.

  One issue however is, assuming the loyalist government is largely defeated what happens with leading members of it seeking to escape to probably Canada to avoid probably brutal punishment by the winners?  Depending on how the situation is would the Canadians turn them back and if they did get through what sort of crisis might develop if the winners demanded their return?

[lordroel]

Apr 19, 2024 11:03:53 GMT stevep said:

  One issue however is, assuming the loyalist government is largely defeated what happens with leading members of it seeking to escape to probably Canada to avoid probably brutal punishment by the winners?  Depending on how the situation is would the Canadians turn them back and if they did get through what sort of crisis might develop if the winners demanded their return?

Hawaii and Alaska are Loyalist (United States) states, any member of the government can go there to do a Alpine Fortress (German: Alpenfestung) or Alpine Redoubt last stand.