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[lordroel]

Jun 20, 2016 6:18:54 GMT futurist said:

May 15, 2016 14:50:10 GMT lordroel said:

Okay my first map created is this one.

So, is this the result of a war between the PRC and an alliance of the Soviet Union, India, and the ROC?

No the POD lays somewhere in the 1930s.

[stevep]

Difficult to see a situation where the PRC comes into power and becomes so powerful but doesn't totally overwhelm both the ROC and Manchukuo. Only thing that comes to mind is that assorted butterflies means that Japan and the US never goes to war [or possibly even Japan never attacks mainland China - although in this case I doubt the PRC would defeat the ROC]. Hence both US support for a larger rump ROC and imperial Japanese support for Manchukuo means that, possibly after some heavy fighting, the PRC has reluctantly accepted the continued existance of the two states,

[spanishspy]

Jun 20, 2016 21:28:30 GMT stevep said:

Difficult to see a situation where the PRC comes into power and becomes so powerful but doesn't totally overwhelm both the ROC and Manchukuo. Only thing that comes to mind is that assorted butterflies means that Japan and the US never goes to war [or possibly even Japan never attacks mainland China - although in this case I doubt the PRC would defeat the ROC]. Hence both US support for a larger rump ROC and imperial Japanese support for Manchukuo means that, possibly after some heavy fighting, the PRC has reluctantly accepted the continued existance of the two states,

The only problem I can find is that Manchukuo was a Japanese puppet state. This would require an intervention by the Japanese in some capacity.

[stevep]

Jun 21, 2016 12:57:53 GMT spanishspy said:

Jun 20, 2016 21:28:30 GMT stevep said:

Difficult to see a situation where the PRC comes into power and becomes so powerful but doesn't totally overwhelm both the ROC and Manchukuo. Only thing that comes to mind is that assorted butterflies means that Japan and the US never goes to war [or possibly even Japan never attacks mainland China - although in this case I doubt the PRC would defeat the ROC]. Hence both US support for a larger rump ROC and imperial Japanese support for Manchukuo means that, possibly after some heavy fighting, the PRC has reluctantly accepted the continued existance of the two states,

The only problem I can find is that Manchukuo was a Japanese puppet state. This would require an intervention by the Japanese in some capacity.

  Sorry possibly wasn't clear enough.  I meant Japan doesn't attack China in 36 but still puppetises Manchuria in ~31.  [Although then have to explain why only part of it or why the Chinese communists capture the western and southern parts.]  Possibly there's a very big equivalent of a combined Chinese civil war and Korean conflict only with the US supporting a KMT rump and Japan supporting its puppet in Manchuria and the PRC only manages to gain some territory.

[spanishspy]

Jun 21, 2016 15:56:08 GMT stevep said:

Jun 21, 2016 12:57:53 GMT spanishspy said:

The only problem I can find is that Manchukuo was a Japanese puppet state. This would require an intervention by the Japanese in some capacity.

  Sorry possibly wasn't clear enough.  I meant Japan doesn't attack China in 36 but still puppetises Manchuria in ~31.  [Although then have to explain why only part of it or why the Chinese communists capture the western and southern parts.]  Possibly there's a very big equivalent of a combined Chinese civil war and Korean conflict only with the US supporting a KMT rump and Japan supporting its puppet in Manchuria and the PRC only manages to gain some territory.

Perhaps the Kuomintang isn't as utterly idiotic as it was in OTL with the peasantry, meaning the Chinese Civil War is more equal? Japan then wants to wait it out before launching a massive invasion, but waits too long. The US backs the Republic of China and lets it maintain Zhejiang and Fujian. Tibet breaks away in the chaos.

[futurist]

Jun 20, 2016 14:09:29 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 20, 2016 6:18:54 GMT futurist said:

So, is this the result of a war between the PRC and an alliance of the Soviet Union, India, and the ROC?

No the POD lays somewhere in the 1930s.

When exactly in the 1930s, though?

[lordroel]

Jun 22, 2016 7:51:37 GMT futurist said:

Jun 20, 2016 14:09:29 GMT lordroel said:

No the POD lays somewhere in the 1930s.

When exactly in the 1930s, though?

I do not now, but most likely before the 2nd Sino-Japanese war broke out in 1937.

[futurist]

Jun 22, 2016 16:13:19 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 22, 2016 7:51:37 GMT futurist said:

When exactly in the 1930s, though?

I do not now, but most likely before the 2nd Sino-Japanese war broke out in 1937.

OK.

[lordroel]

Another new one.

[spanishspy]

Jun 23, 2016 3:08:54 GMT lordroel said:

Another new one.

I wonder what is driving cell phone use in Kazakhstan.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2016 13:08:03 GMT spanishspy said:

Jun 23, 2016 3:08:54 GMT lordroel said:

Another new one.

I wonder what is driving cell phone use in Kazakhstan.

I find it strange that Japan has not the most mobile phone per person.

[spanishspy]

Jun 23, 2016 13:16:29 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2016 13:08:03 GMT spanishspy said:

I wonder what is driving cell phone use in Kazakhstan.

I find it strange that Japan has not the most mobile phone per person.

That title goes to some of the very rich Gulf states.

[stevep]

I'm surprised as well by the low level of Japan or even China compared to Russia and Kazakhstan.

Do the figures for Saudi and the gulf states include a) women and b) non-citizens? I suspect a large number of the latter aren't allowed or able to afford such items.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2016 15:50:44 GMT stevep said:

I'm surprised as well by the low level of Japan or even China compared to Russia and Kazakhstan.

Do the figures for Saudi and the gulf states include a) women and b) non-citizens? I suspect a large number of the latter aren't allowed or able to afford such items.

I think they have mobile phones as that is a cheap way for them to keep in contcht with thier familys.

[spanishspy]

Jun 23, 2016 16:01:44 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2016 15:50:44 GMT stevep said:

I'm surprised as well by the low level of Japan or even China compared to Russia and Kazakhstan.

Do the figures for Saudi and the gulf states include a) women and b) non-citizens? I suspect a large number of the latter aren't allowed or able to afford such items.

I think they have mobile phones as that is a cheap way for them to keep in contcht with thier familys.

Smartphones have penetrated lots of third world countries, surprisingly. They're compact and can do a lot.