Iraq Becomes Communist in the Late 1950s

[futurist]

Jun 23, 2016 3:16:27 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2016 2:00:16 GMT spanishspy said:

Perhaps, if they phrase it as the only way to guarantee continual aid to Iraq. I don't know enough about Soviet oil policy to judge.

In the 1950s oil was not yet a major priority as it is now.

The Soviet Union and its economy weren't on the verge of collapse yet back in the 1950s, though.

[futurist]

Also, for the record, the assumption here is that the Iraqi Communists will get overthrown sooner or later if the Soviet Union will completely stop supporting them. Indeed, that is what happened with Najibullah's regime in Afghanistan in 1992 in real life.

[spanishspy]

Jun 23, 2016 6:52:23 GMT futurist said:

Also, for the record, the assumption here is that the Iraqi Communists will get overthrown sooner or later if the Soviet Union will completely stop supporting them. Indeed, that is what happened with Najibullah's regime in Afghanistan in 1992 in real life.

Then I foresee Iraq becoming a mess in the nineties.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2016 6:52:23 GMT futurist said:

Also, for the record, the assumption here is that the Iraqi Communists will get overthrown sooner or later if the Soviet Union will completely stop supporting them. Indeed, that is what happened with Najibullah's regime in Afghanistan in 1992 in real life.

Iraq can always turn to that other major communist country for aid.

[spanishspy]

Jun 23, 2016 13:31:22 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2016 6:52:23 GMT futurist said:

Also, for the record, the assumption here is that the Iraqi Communists will get overthrown sooner or later if the Soviet Union will completely stop supporting them. Indeed, that is what happened with Najibullah's regime in Afghanistan in 1992 in real life.

Iraq can always turn to that other major communist country for aid.

True, but would China want to risk antagonizing the US that much?

[futurist]

Jun 23, 2016 12:54:05 GMT spanishspy said:

Jun 23, 2016 6:52:23 GMT futurist said:

Also, for the record, the assumption here is that the Iraqi Communists will get overthrown sooner or later if the Soviet Union will completely stop supporting them. Indeed, that is what happened with Najibullah's regime in Afghanistan in 1992 in real life.

Then I foresee Iraq becoming a mess in the nineties.

Do you actually agree with this assumption of mine, though?

[futurist]

Jun 23, 2016 16:02:23 GMT spanishspy said:

Jun 23, 2016 13:31:22 GMT lordroel said:

Iraq can always turn to that other major communist country for aid.

True, but would China want to risk antagonizing the US that much?

In exchange having China get a lot of Iraqi oil? Maybe ... maybe.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2016 16:42:28 GMT futurist said:

Jun 23, 2016 12:54:05 GMT spanishspy said:

Then I foresee Iraq becoming a mess in the nineties.

Do you actually agree with this assumption of mine, though?

It could also become a democratic country, that is unless it peaceful other wise we might see a Iraq Civil War brake out after Iraq loses it support of the Soviet Union who has disbanded.

[futurist]

Jun 23, 2016 16:44:44 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2016 16:42:28 GMT futurist said:

Do you actually agree with this assumption of mine, though?

It could also become a democratic country, that is unless it peaceful other wise we might see a Iraq Civil War brake out after Iraq loses it support of the Soviet Union who has disbanded.

Here's an interesting question--do the Iraqi Communists divide Iraq into Arab and a Kurdish SSRs with a nominal right of secession? After all, that is what Communists previously did in both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Indeed, any thoughts on this?

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2016 16:58:23 GMT futurist said:

Jun 23, 2016 16:44:44 GMT lordroel said:

It could also become a democratic country, that is unless it peaceful other wise we might see a Iraq Civil War brake out after Iraq loses it support of the Soviet Union who has disbanded.

Here's an interesting question--do the Iraqi Communists divide Iraq into Arab and a Kurdish SSRs with a nominal right of secession? After all, that is what Communists previously did in both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Indeed, any thoughts on this?

I would think the Communist Iraq will try to destroy the Kurds identity and culture than dividing Iraq into Arab and a Kurdish SSRs.

[futurist]

Jun 23, 2016 17:01:11 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2016 16:58:23 GMT futurist said:

Here's an interesting question--do the Iraqi Communists divide Iraq into Arab and a Kurdish SSRs with a nominal right of secession? After all, that is what Communists previously did in both the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia.

Indeed, any thoughts on this?

I would think the Communist Iraq will try to destroy the Kurds identity and culture than dividing Iraq into Arab and a Kurdish SSRs.

That's certainly not in the spirit of what other Communists have done, though. Indeed, other Communists tried to appease nationalists rather than to try destroying national communities and identities.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2016 17:03:58 GMT futurist said:

Jun 23, 2016 17:01:11 GMT lordroel said:

I would think the Communist Iraq will try to destroy the Kurds identity and culture than dividing Iraq into Arab and a Kurdish SSRs.

That's certainly not in the spirit of what other Communists have done, though. Indeed, other Communists tried to appease nationalists rather than to try destroying national communities and identities.

Saddam Hussein tried to do it, so why not a Communist Iraq.

[futurist]

Jun 23, 2016 17:05:26 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2016 17:03:58 GMT futurist said:

That's certainly not in the spirit of what other Communists have done, though. Indeed, other Communists tried to appease nationalists rather than to try destroying national communities and identities.

Saddam Hussein tried to do it, so why not a Communist Iraq.

I mean, it's certainly possible. However, I don't know just how likely it actually is.

Indeed, perhaps the Stalin model of simultaneous appeals to nationalists along with large-scale deportations of various ethnic groups would have been more appealing to the Iraqi Communists in this scenario.

[lordroel]

Jun 23, 2016 17:07:47 GMT futurist said:

Jun 23, 2016 17:05:26 GMT lordroel said:

Saddam Hussein tried to do it, so why not a Communist Iraq.

I mean, it's certainly possible. However, I don't know just how likely it actually is.

Indeed, perhaps the Stalin model of simultaneous appeals to nationalists along with large-scale deportations of various ethnic groups would have been more appealing to the Iraqi Communists in this scenario.

Iran would support the Kurd's while Turkey as always will fight the Kurd's, nice mix up already.

[futurist]

Jun 23, 2016 17:09:55 GMT lordroel said:

Jun 23, 2016 17:07:47 GMT futurist said:

I mean, it's certainly possible. However, I don't know just how likely it actually is.

Indeed, perhaps the Stalin model of simultaneous appeals to nationalists along with large-scale deportations of various ethnic groups would have been more appealing to the Iraqi Communists in this scenario.

Iran would support the Kurd's while Turkey as always will fight the Kurd's, nice mix up already.

What about Syria, though?