BURNISHED ROWS OF STEEL: The Great North American War, 1861-

[tfsmith121]

Nope, not at all.

The history of European interventions in the Americas in the 1860s is repeated failure; the French lost more than 33,000 men in Mexico, the Spanish 18,000 in the Dominican Republic, and although the cost in lives to the Spanish of their conflict with the Chileans and Peruvians in the 1860s was certainly more than whatever gains they could have expected make ... Losing Covadonga alone made the intervention a bust.

The historical reality of the French and Spanish failures seems a reasonable point of comparison for the hypothetical conflict sketched in BROS.

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[lordroel]

Jul 13, 2016 3:11:36 GMT tfsmith121 said:

Nope, not at all.

The history of European interventions in the Americas in the 1860s is repeated failure; the French lost more than 33,000 men in Mexico, the Spanish 18,000 in the Dominican Republic, and although the cost in lives to the Spanish of their conflict with the Chileans and Peruvians in the 1860s was certainly more than whatever gains they could have expected make ... Losing Covadonga alone made the intervention a bust.

The historical reality of the French and Spanish failures seems a reasonable point of evidence for the hypothetical conflict sketched in BROS.

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Thanks for explaining, i will have to read and to wait what will happen in BROS what happens with the French in Mexico.

[tfsmith121]

On the way ... May not be the next chapter, but soon.

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[lordroel]

Jul 13, 2016 3:15:50 GMT tfsmith121 said:

On the way ... May not be the next chapter, but soon.

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For some reasons i have a soft spot for the 2nd Mexico Empire and the French there, maybe because it was doomed to fail.

[tfsmith121]

Monarchists tended not to do that well in the Western Hemisphere, whether Brazilian, Mexican, Haitian, or what have you; the Enlightenment values were just too ingrained by the Nineteenth Century, I think.

Some interesting parallels in Europe in the Twentieth in terms of "The Kings Depart."

Be posting the next section soon on warships1.

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[lordroel]

Jul 14, 2016 3:04:34 GMT tfsmith121 said:

Be posting the next section soon on warships1.

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Will read it as always and respond if i can.

[tfsmith121]

Sorry, didn't get as far as I'd hoped - had to do some traveling for work and it became a long day. Maybe later this pm

[tfsmith121]

Just posted Part 1 of Chapter 7 (July, 1862); various and sundry appear, including GBM running into JE Johnston at Centreville, USG and WTS running into the Denisons (pere et fls) at Kingston, and the C-in-C in upstate New York, offering something known to history (in BROS-verse) as "The Plattsburgh Address." Hope you enjoy.

[lordroel]

Jul 16, 2016 23:25:45 GMT tfsmith121 said:

Just posted Part 1 of Chapter 7 (July, 1862); various and sundry appear, including GBM running into JE Johnston at Centreville, USG and WTS running into the Denisons (pere et fls) at Kingston, and the C-in-C in upstate New York, offering something known to history (in BROS-verse) as "The Plattsburgh Address." Hope you enjoy.

Thanks, will read it and if i find anything to comment on, will do that.

[tfsmith121]

Can't ask for anything more - appreciate it.

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[lordroel]

Jul 17, 2016 16:18:28 GMT tfsmith121 said:

Can't ask for anything more - appreciate it.

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And i cannot ask for more four you opening a thread to a great timeline on this humble forum.

[tfsmith121]

You are quite welcome; thanks for having us all.

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[tfsmith121]

Just posted Part 2 of Chapter 7 (July, 1862), where various and sundry appear, including Frederick Douglass and Louisa Mae Alcott at Seneca Falls, New York; other locations visited by BROS include San Francisco Bay and Puget Sound, where various characters, piratical and otherwise, show up. Enjoy.

[lordroel]

Jul 20, 2016 0:11:36 GMT tfsmith121 said:

Just posted Part 2 of Chapter 7 (July, 1862), where various and sundry appear, including Frederick Douglass and Louisa Mae Alcott at Seneca Falls, New York; other locations visited by BROS include San Francisco Bay and Puget Sound, where various characters, piratical and otherwise, show up. Enjoy.

Another great update and it seems that the British are finding out the Union is not a easy thing to fight.

[tfsmith121]

Thank you - nope, it would not be. The "Battle of the Golden Gate" is an espy mash-up of Petropavlovsk and the Taku Forts. Considering the Russians defeated the Allies in the one and the Chinese defeated the British at the other - including sinking three RN warships, largest single RN loss between Lake Champlain in 1814 and Coronel in 1914 - it's historically justifiable. All the individuals, ships, and military units are historical, as are most of the quotes in the San Francisco section. Becky Howard was "real" as well; she was fun to read about. 

I included the Seneca Falls section because I wanted to introduce the reality of Foote's one hand behind its back concept with regards to the US war effort. Which included both the military recruitment pool and women in the labor force - plus I wanted to pass the Bechdel Test.

The NYT article is based on a speech Douglass gave historically in this period, as well, wig similar sentiments.

Thanks for the comment. They are appreciated.