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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 17:27:05 GMT
Actually, Afghanistan can (eventually) become an Islamic state led by fanatical Pashtun Islamists (such as the Taliban) in this TL. Who most likely hate the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union will probably either no longer exist at that point in time or collapse shortly afterwards, though.  |
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 17:28:17 GMT
Of course, a rivalry between Afghanistan and Uzbekistan can certainly occur in this TL; indeed, such a rivalry might very well (at least initially) make Uzbekistan more dependent on Russia and to agree to Russia-led integration schemes/programs in exchange for large-scale Russian military aid and assistance to Uzbekistan.
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Post by lordroel on Sept 18, 2016 17:31:40 GMT
Of course, a rivalry between Afghanistan and Uzbekistan can certainly occur in this TL; indeed, such a rivalry might very well (at least initially) make Uzbekistan more dependent on Russia and to agree to Russia-led integration schemes/programs in exchange for large-scale Russian military aid and assistance to Uzbekistan. More like a rivalry with Tajikistan who would absorbed most of North Afghanistan, or am i wrong. |
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 17:32:25 GMT
Of course, a rivalry between Afghanistan and Uzbekistan can certainly occur in this TL; indeed, such a rivalry might very well (at least initially) make Uzbekistan more dependent on Russia and to agree to Russia-led integration schemes/programs in exchange for large-scale Russian military aid and assistance to Uzbekistan. More like a rivalry with Tajikistan who would absorbed most of North Afghanistan, or am i wrong. No--with Uzbekistan; indeed, please take a look at the two maps of Afghanistan that I posted in my OP here. |
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 17:33:16 GMT
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Post by lordroel on Sept 18, 2016 17:34:01 GMT
More like a rivalry with Tajikistan who would absorbed most of North Afghanistan, or am i wrong. No--with Uzbekistan; indeed, please take a look at the two maps of Afghanistan that I posted in my OP here. But Tajikistan share a larger border with Afghanistan than Uzbekistan. |
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 17:35:45 GMT
No--with Uzbekistan; indeed, please take a look at the two maps of Afghanistan that I posted in my OP here. But Tajikistan share a larger border with Afghanistan than Uzbekistan. The areas of Afghanistan which the Soviet Union conquers and annexes in this TL are mostly Uzbek and thus will be placed within the Uzbek SSR (later Uzbekistan), though. Indeed, the Tajik areas of Afghanistan are mostly mountainous and thus the Soviet Union will not try conquering these areas in this TL. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 18, 2016 17:38:07 GMT
But Tajikistan share a larger border with Afghanistan than Uzbekistan. The areas of Afghanistan which the Soviet Union conquers and annexes in this TL are mostly Uzbek and thus will be placed within the Uzbek SSR (later Uzbekistan), though. Indeed, the Tajik areas of Afghanistan are mostly mountainous and thus the Soviet Union will not try conquering these areas in this TL. Okay so we could see very hostile relation between Afghanistan and Uzbekistan in this universe. |
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 17:38:09 GMT
Also, in this TL, Uzbekistan's border with Afghanistan is certainly going to be much longer due to the Soviet conquest and annexation of the flat (non-mountainous) parts of northern Afghanistan.
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 17:39:18 GMT
The areas of Afghanistan which the Soviet Union conquers and annexes in this TL are mostly Uzbek and thus will be placed within the Uzbek SSR (later Uzbekistan), though. Indeed, the Tajik areas of Afghanistan are mostly mountainous and thus the Soviet Union will not try conquering these areas in this TL. Okay so we could see very hostile relation between Afghanistan and Uzbekistan in this universe. Yes; correct!  In turn, this means that Uzbekistan will be more dependent on Russia in this TL (in comparison to our TL). |
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 17:40:03 GMT
Also, for the record, I think that Pakistan will probably win a proxy war (with Iran) over Afghanistan due to Pakistan probably being willing to commit more resources to this. Of course, the interesting thing would be if Pakistan-supported Pashtun Islamists in Afghanistan in this TL will still eventually allow Islamist terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda to have a safe haven in Afghanistan; indeed, if a 9/11-style terrorist attack still eventually occurs on U.S. soil in this TL, I can certainly see the U.S. making a deal with Uzbekistan (the Soviet Union would have probably still collapsed by that point in time in this TL) to allow the U.S. to use Uzbekistan as a base for invading Afghanistan in exchange for U.S. recognition of Uzbekistan's sovereignty over northern Afghanistan and in exchange for large-scale U.S. military aid and assistance to Uzbekistan. Can you please respond to this part of what I previously wrote, lordroel? |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 18, 2016 17:48:17 GMT
Also, for the record, I think that Pakistan will probably win a proxy war (with Iran) over Afghanistan due to Pakistan probably being willing to commit more resources to this. Of course, the interesting thing would be if Pakistan-supported Pashtun Islamists in Afghanistan in this TL will still eventually allow Islamist terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda to have a safe haven in Afghanistan; indeed, if a 9/11-style terrorist attack still eventually occurs on U.S. soil in this TL, I can certainly see the U.S. making a deal with Uzbekistan (the Soviet Union would have probably still collapsed by that point in time in this TL) to allow the U.S. to use Uzbekistan as a base for invading Afghanistan in exchange for U.S. recognition of Uzbekistan's sovereignty over northern Afghanistan and in exchange for large-scale U.S. military aid and assistance to Uzbekistan. Can you please respond to this part of what I previously wrote, lordroel? Well of course Pakistan would win a the War, they have the backing of the United States, also a smaller Afghanistan would be more hostile to the outside world who it might claim did not when the Soviet Union annex part of it country, a perfect breeding ground and location for terrorist organizations who support the Afghanistan government view. |
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 18:11:12 GMT
Can you please respond to this part of what I previously wrote, lordroel? Well of course Pakistan would win a the War, they have the backing of the United States, also a smaller Afghanistan would be more hostile to the outside world who it might claim did not when the Soviet Union annex part of it country, a perfect breeding ground and location for terrorist organizations who support the Afghanistan government view. Completely agreed with all of this. |
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Post by lordroel on Sept 18, 2016 18:16:11 GMT
Well of course Pakistan would win a the War, they have the backing of the United States, also a smaller Afghanistan would be more hostile to the outside world who it might claim did not when the Soviet Union annex part of it country, a perfect breeding ground and location for terrorist organizations who support the Afghanistan government view. Completely agreed with all of this. We might see terrorist organizations being active in Afghanistan it several years earlier than in OTL. |
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Post by futurist on Sept 18, 2016 18:30:10 GMT
Completely agreed with all of this. We might see terrorist organizations being active in Afghanistan it several years earlier than in OTL. Completely agreed. |
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In turn, this means that Uzbekistan will be more dependent on Russia in this TL (in comparison to our TL).