Time Travel Question: Downtimers on the Internet?

[Zyobot]

Although it'd inevitably happen at some point or another, I haven't read much about an ISOTed uptimer society actually distributing digital technologies to the various downtimer populations at the time they were sent to.

Upon being uplifted by people from the future, how would pre-Information Age downtimers behave on the modern/near-future internet (or at least, what's left of it)?

Thank you in advance,

Zyobot

[lordroel]

Dec 19, 2018 18:17:43 GMT Zyobot said:

Although it'd inevitably happen at some point or another, I haven't read much about an ISOTed uptimer society actually distributing digital technologies to the various downtimer populations at the time they were sent to.

Upon being uplifted by people from the future, how would pre-Information Age downtimers behave on the modern/near-future internet (or at least, what's left of it)?

Thank you in advance,

Zyobot

So how does it work, because before 1990 ore something people did not have PC to see internet.

[Zyobot]

Dec 19, 2018 18:19:48 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 19, 2018 18:17:43 GMT Zyobot said:

Although it'd inevitably happen at some point or another, I haven't read much about an ISOTed uptimer society actually distributing digital technologies to the various downtimer populations at the time they were sent to.

Upon being uplifted by people from the future, how would pre-Information Age downtimers behave on the modern/near-future internet (or at least, what's left of it)?

Thank you in advance,

Zyobot

So how does it work, because before 1990 ore something people did not have PC to see internet.

Right, sorry; I forgot to clarify.

The idea is that an industrialized uptimer society (i.e. Canada or Norway) is sent back to some time before the Information Age and--once they get their immediate issues sorted out--distribute 21st Century technology to their downtimer allies.

My question is, upon digital devices and the means of using them becoming available for downtimer populations' use, how would they behave on the internet once they started using it?

[lordroel]

Dec 19, 2018 18:24:48 GMT Zyobot said:

Dec 19, 2018 18:19:48 GMT lordroel said:

So how does it work, because before 1990 ore something people did not have PC to see internet.

Right, sorry; I forgot to clarify.

The idea is that an industrialized uptimer society (i.e. Canada or Norway) is sent back to some time before the Information Age and--once they get their immediate issues sorted out--distribute 21st Century technology to their downtimer allies.

My question is, upon digital devices and the means of using them becoming available for downtimer populations' use, how would they behave on the internet once they started using it?

You mean a person of the 1950,1960s buying a Iphone worth 1,000 dollars ore a PC, would that not be a bit to expensive for them.

[Zyobot]

Dec 19, 2018 18:28:15 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 19, 2018 18:24:48 GMT Zyobot said:

Right, sorry; I forgot to clarify.

The idea is that an industrialized uptimer society (i.e. Canada or Norway) is sent back to some time before the Information Age and--once they get their immediate issues sorted out--distribute 21st Century technology to their downtimer allies.

My question is, upon digital devices and the means of using them becoming available for downtimer populations' use, how would they behave on the internet once they started using it?

You mean a person of the 1950,1960s buying a Iphone worth 1,000 dollars ore a PC, would that not be a bit to expensive for them.

Oh, yeah. Maybe uptimer tech companies could adjust the price for downtimers so that more of them can buy their products/services?

[lordroel]

Dec 19, 2018 18:30:37 GMT Zyobot said:

Dec 19, 2018 18:28:15 GMT lordroel said:

You mean a person of the 1950,1960s buying a Iphone worth 1,000 dollars ore a PC, would that not be a bit to expensive for them.

Oh, yeah. Maybe uptimer tech companies could adjust the price for downtimers so that more of them can buy their products/services?

They are not doing it now, lowering the prices, why do you think they will do it for down timers, also the majority of phones are produced in China ore South Korea

[Zyobot]

Dec 19, 2018 18:32:26 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 19, 2018 18:30:37 GMT Zyobot said:

Oh, yeah. Maybe uptimer tech companies could adjust the price for downtimers so that more of them can buy their products/services?

They are not doing it now, lowering the prices, why do you think they will do it for down timers, also the majority of phones are produced in China ore South Korea

I'm not sure, I just want enough downtimers to somehow get access to the myriad wonders (and horrors) of the interwebs.

But yeah, the fact that most smartphones are exported from just a few countries would be a problem--and if any of the major ones weren't ISOTed along, smart device prices would skyrocket in the short term (because supply and demand). Maybe we could do a scenario in which near-future Canada or Switzerland becomes a notable hi-tech manufacturer in time for the ISOT (so that it's not as overkill as, say, the US or China being sent back)? Or no?

If not that, then I suppose that government officials and the rich/powerful would be the first few downtimers to obtain smartphones, tablets, PCs, etc. Tourist who visit the "land(s) from the future" might get a taste of social media and the greater WWW however, as would prospective immigrants and exchange students.

[lordroel]

Dec 19, 2018 18:45:51 GMT Zyobot said:

Dec 19, 2018 18:32:26 GMT lordroel said:

They are not doing it now, lowering the prices, why do you think they will do it for down timers, also the majority of phones are produced in China ore South Korea

I'm not sure, I just want enough downtimers to somehow get access to the myriad wonders (and horrors) of the interwebs.

But yeah, the fact that most smartphones are exported from just a few countries would be a problem--and if any of the major ones weren't ISOTed along, smart device prices would skyrocket in the short term (because supply and demand). Maybe we could do a scenario in which near-future Canada or Switzerland becomes a notable hi-tech manufacturer in time for the ISOT (so that it's not as overkill as, say, the US or China being sent back)? Or no?

If not that, then I suppose that government officials and the rich/powerful would be the first few downtimers to obtain smartphones, tablets, PCs, etc. Tourist who visit the "land(s) from the future" might get a taste of social media and the greater WWW however, as would prospective immigrants and exchange students.

I think Canada could be the country that we can pick, also do not forget, having a mobile phone will not mean you have internet unless they build the infrastructure for it.

[Zyobot]

Dec 19, 2018 18:48:00 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 19, 2018 18:45:51 GMT Zyobot said:

I'm not sure, I just want enough downtimers to somehow get access to the myriad wonders (and horrors) of the interwebs.

But yeah, the fact that most smartphones are exported from just a few countries would be a problem--and if any of the major ones weren't ISOTed along, smart device prices would skyrocket in the short term (because supply and demand). Maybe we could do a scenario in which near-future Canada or Switzerland becomes a notable hi-tech manufacturer in time for the ISOT (so that it's not as overkill as, say, the US or China being sent back)? Or no?

If not that, then I suppose that government officials and the rich/powerful would be the first few downtimers to obtain smartphones, tablets, PCs, etc. Tourist who visit the "land(s) from the future" might get a taste of social media and the greater WWW however, as would prospective immigrants and exchange students.

I think Canada could be the country that we can pick, also do not forget, having a mobile phone will not mean you have internet unless they build the infrastructure for it.

I'm aware; I wonder if this thread either requires suspension of disbelief for the sake of discussing how downtimers would behave on the internet, or is mainly confined to government officials, the wealthy and visitors somehow getting access to it.

What would downtimer news outlets say about digital technologies? As far as I'm aware, most people didn't seem to have a concept of social media or the WWW before they actually came out; apps, multiplayer gaming and openly-editable sites would certainly surprise them as well.

[lordroel]

Dec 19, 2018 19:41:38 GMT Zyobot said:

Dec 19, 2018 18:48:00 GMT lordroel said:

I think Canada could be the country that we can pick, also do not forget, having a mobile phone will not mean you have internet unless they build the infrastructure for it.

I'm aware; I wonder if this thread either requires suspension of disbelief for the sake of discussing how downtimers would behave on the internet, or is mainly confined to government officials, the wealthy and visitors somehow getting access to it.

What would downtimer news outlets say about digital technologies? As far as I'm aware, most people didn't seem to have a concept of social media or the WWW before they actually came out; apps, multiplayer gaming and openly-editable sites would certainly surprise them as well.

Well i think you are right, lets discus how famous and well known down timers will react to their own Wikipedia pages.

[Zyobot]

Dec 19, 2018 19:45:11 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 19, 2018 19:41:38 GMT Zyobot said:

I'm aware; I wonder if this thread either requires suspension of disbelief for the sake of discussing how downtimers would behave on the internet, or is mainly confined to government officials, the wealthy and visitors somehow getting access to it.

What would downtimer news outlets say about digital technologies? As far as I'm aware, most people didn't seem to have a concept of social media or the WWW before they actually came out; apps, multiplayer gaming and openly-editable sites would certainly surprise them as well.

Well i think you are right, lets discus how famous and well known down timers will react to their own Wikipedia pages.

For starters, I think the idea of an openly-editable online encyclopedia that can be updated anytime, (almost) anywhere by a team of strangers from all over the world would strike downtimers as...both miraculously advanced and pretty bizarre, to say the least. I've the feeling it'd take a bit to explain the concept to them, not to mention what apps, cloud computing, multiplayer gaming, web forums, etcetera are to a society that'd think of something like this big honkin' thing whenever computers are brought up; IBM Chief Thomas J. Watson will have to eat his 1943 words about there being "a market for maybe five" of them.

Downtimers with their own Wikipedia pages might feel somewhat violated and too heavily scrutinized, but the fact that they tend to be public figures would make defamation lawsuits difficult to file (at least according to US law, though I presume something similar applies in other liberal-democratic nations as well). Not only are the various controversies and scandals involving them listed there for visiting netizens' eyes and documented by uptimer media at every opportunity, there would also be none too little faked news and doctored photos and footage about them circulating online.

Those whose views have since been discredited IOTL--namely Segregationists, communists and anti-Western powers--will think of it as "revisionist" history that was "written by the victors", and endlessly dispute the notion that Wikipedia and its ilk are neutral (albeit oft-questionable) sources of information. Perhaps the latter will be inspired to "acquire" uptimer technology and knowledge in order to compete with them. I speculate that alongside the mid-century moral guardians, the former two will want to impose more restrictions on online content and usage; Gus Hall & Friends wouldn't want cryptocurrency to be legal, after all.

[Zyobot]

I wonder what 1950s/60s people would make of something like, say, this epic rock cover of the Pacific Rim theme on Youtube.


For those older folks who were hoping for rock & roll to die out, well..it hasn't. If anything, it's become way more intense than the mid-century version that they're familiar with and have grown to despise.

[lordroel]

Dec 20, 2018 0:30:05 GMT Zyobot said:

I wonder what 1950s/60s people would make of something like, say, this epic rock cover of the Pacific Rim theme on Youtube.


For those older folks who were hoping for rock & roll to die out, well..it hasn't. If anything, it's become way more intense than the mid-century version that they're familiar with and have grown to despise.

What about a certain Walt Disney seeing what his company that he has created is doing in the future.

[Zyobot]

Dec 20, 2018 16:29:35 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 20, 2018 0:30:05 GMT Zyobot said:

I wonder what 1950s/60s people would make of something like, say, this epic rock cover of the Pacific Rim theme on Youtube.


For those older folks who were hoping for rock & roll to die out, well..it hasn't. If anything, it's become way more intense than the mid-century version that they're familiar with and have grown to despise.

What about a certain Walt Disney seeing what his company that he has created is doing in the future.

He'd be pretty damn impressed that even today, Disney is indisputably a top player in the entertainment industry. Statista reports that it was ranked as the most powerful brand in the world in 2018, and joint-fourth on the list of most reputable companies. It also generated over 55 billion USD in revenue last year, among other facts and figures that are bound to wow Walt and the rest of his crew.

Disney has also secured a great many patents and trademarks for itself--namely lobbying to drastically lengthen American copyright terms in order to keep making money off of Mickey Mouse.

On a separate note, there's also the inevitability that sooner or later, downtimer netizens will learn about today's other STEM-advancements. I wonder, for example, what they'd make of the information presented in this Gartner.com video about the top 10 technology trends for 2019:

[lordroel]

Dec 20, 2018 21:28:42 GMT Zyobot said:

Dec 20, 2018 16:29:35 GMT lordroel said:

What about a certain Walt Disney seeing what his company that he has created is doing in the future.

He'd be pretty damn impressed that even today, Disney is indisputably a top player in the entertainment industry. Statista reports that it was ranked as the most powerful brand in the world in 2018, and joint-fourth on the list of most reputable companies. It also generated over 55 billion USD in revenue last year, among other facts and figures that are bound to wow Walt and the rest of his crew.

Disney has also secured a great many patents and trademarks for itself--namely lobbying to drastically lengthen American copyright terms in order to keep making money off of Mickey Mouse.

On a separate note, there's also the inevitability that sooner or later, downtimer netizens will learn about today's other STEM-advancements. I wonder, for example, what they'd make of the information presented in this Gartner.com video about the top 10 technology trends for 2019:

Do we not need to fear for a overload of all things the Down timers will see, will we not frighten them with everything that for us in the present is considered normal.