Rise and Fall of the Empire of Canada

[lordroel]

Originally a topic in the Frivolous ASB thread i toughed, why not, so the beginning of the RFEC verse as it is called in short begins in 1888 when a pregnant Klara Pölzl and here husband Alois Hitler are given the slight suggestion by a alien space bat to immigrate to Canada which they do, Adolf Hitler is born several months later in Canada on April 20th 1889.

So ask me any question about the RFEC verse and i try to answer them so we can flesh it out.

[eurowatch]

What are the different members of the Allies? What are the different countries in North America? How strong is the Dutch military? Is there a proto-NATO going on here? How long did WW2 last here? Was there a Normandy landing in America?

[lordroel]

Feb 25, 2016 20:11:53 GMT eurowatch said:

What are the different members of the Allies? What are the different countries in North America? How strong is the Dutch military? Is there a proto-NATO going on here? How long did WW2 last here? Was there a Normandy landing in America?

World War II was more two wars than one as Canada and Japan did not aid each other nor supported each other

The War of Canadian Aggression of 1942 to 1946 

Canada invaded the still British Dominion of Newfoundland, the Danish colony of Greenland and the French colony of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, a major border war was also fought between the British backed Commonwealth of New England and Canada in that period, the war ended when the British-French-Danish and later joined by New England, Republic of California and Germany manged to liberate the colony's and fought itself into Ottawa bringing a end to the reign of Canadian President Adolf Hitler and his Canadian Empire.

The Great Pacific War of 1941 to 1946

The Great Pacific War began in 1941 when Japanese naval forces attacked the British backed Kingdom of Hawaii, invaded the British, French and Netherlands colony's, the war saw the liberation of the British, French and Netherlands colony's, the invasion of Japanese Philippines and the German atomic bombing and invasion of the Japanese home islands.

The strength of the Netherlands military

The Royal Netherlands Armed forces (navy, army and army air brigade) use both home made equipment and German made equipment (the three German made battlecruisers are the major thing with German tanks being the other).

Is there a proto-NATO going on here

After the The War of Canadian Aggression and the The Great Pacific War the allies formed the Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization (PATO) which was formed in responds to the Soviet Union who except of invading Manchuria and Japanese Korea was never involved in both wars.

[eurowatch]

What are the different political organisations that exsist here? What happened to Italy? Who holds occupation rights of Japan? Why did the Netherlands not join the war against Canada when they were a member of the Allies? What is the situation inside the Soviet Union?

[lordroel]

Feb 26, 2016 0:31:51 GMT eurowatch said:

What are the different political organisations that exsist here?

There are four major organizations in the RFEC verse:

Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization (PATO): a Organization formed after the War of Canadian Aggression and the Great Pacific War in 1947, its both a political and military organization made up of the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Kingdom of Belgium, Grand Duchy of Luxembourg, Republic of Portugal, Kingdom of Spain, Kingdom of Norway, Kingdom of Denmark, Republic of Philippines (joined after it became a independent country after the Philippines Civil War of 1950 to 1953), Kingdom of the Netherlands, French Republic, Germany, Czechoslovakia, Republic of Poland (a major place where PATO forces are deployed), Commonwealth of New England, Republic of Quebec (was formed after the disbandment of Canada in 1949), Republic of California, Kingdom of Hawaii, British States of America (was formed after the disbandment of Canada in 1949 and consist of several former Canadian and United States provinces and states), Republic of Texas (joined as a result of PATO backing them in the Texas-Mexican war of 1954), Japan (joined in 1956) Republic of China (joined in 1952 after the end of the Chinese Civil War of 1947 to 1951), Federation of Malaya (joined in 1957 during the Malayan Emergency of 1948 to 1960), Republic of New York (joined in 1948) and the United Republics of America (made up of several smaller former states of the United States, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica and Panama).

Union of American States: formed in 1949 when several countries who where previous part of the United States in the threat of the Soviet Union spreading its communist revolution to the American continent banding together forming the Union of American States (UAS) and some South America countries, the UAS consist of: Republic of California, Kingdom of Hawaii, British States of America, Commonwealth of New England, Republic of Texas, Republic of New York, United Republics of America, Republic of Yucatan (formed after the end of the Texas-Mexican war of 1954), Brazil. Argentina, Chili, Peru, Colombia, Bolivia and several others.

league of Balkan Nations: the league of Balkan Nations was formed in 1939 as the successor of the Balkan Pact (1934 to 1938), the league who has it headquarters in Istanbul, Turkey is made up of Kingdom of Hungary,Kingdom of Romania, Kingdom of Greece, Republic of Turkey, Kingdom of Yugoslavia and the Kingdom of Bulgaria (joined in 1939 at the forming of the league). The league is pro-PATO (the league has observer status with PATO), the relation between the league and the Helsinki Pact can be considered very cold as the league accused the Soviet Union in having been behind numerous border incidents, uprisings and acts of terrorism in its territory, this is also one of re main reason why the league has been able to exist for so long as they fear the Soviet Union more than the problems they have with each other.

Helsinki Pact: formed in responds of the creation of the Pacific Atlantic Treaty Organization in 1947 by the Soviet Union, at first it was only made up of the Soviet Union, Finnish Democratic Republic, Democratic People's Republic of Korea (joined in 1948) People's Republic of Manchuria (became a member in 1949 during the Chinese Civil War of 1947 to 1951), People Republic of Libya (joined in 1955), People Republic of Tunisia (joined in 1955), People's Democratic Republic of Algeria (joined in 1962), People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia (joined in 1961), Mongolian People's Republic, People's Republic of Southern Yemen (joined in 1967)and the Democratic People Republic of Nicaragua (joined in 1952 after the overthrow of the Somoza family who had ruled the country sins 1936 by Soviet backed rebels).

Feb 26, 2016 0:31:51 GMT eurowatch said:

What happened to Italy?

The Kingdom of Italy is still ruled by the National Fascist Party but is pro-PATO due the Soviet Union involvement in the Northern Africa wars of independence of 1954 to 1963 (saw Soviet backed independence movements fighting in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia) and the Ethiopia War of Independence of 1955 to 1960 which saw the creation of the Soviet backed People's Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, the only colony's of the Kingdom of Italy in present-day are Italian Somaliland and Albania. 

Feb 26, 2016 0:31:51 GMT eurowatch said:

Who holds occupation rights of Japan?

After the Atomic bombing by Germany in 1945 had no effect the British,Commonwealth (Australia, India and New Zealand), Germany, Netherlands and the French Republic fought until a coup happen in Tokyo which remove the hard liners and the new Japanese leaders surrendered unconditional to the Allies, The country of Japan was occupied by the Allies (mostly the British, Germany, Commonwealth and the Republic of China) from 1946 to 1953 when Japan signed the Treaty of New Delhi ending the occupation.
 

Feb 26, 2016 0:31:51 GMT eurowatch said:

Why did the Netherlands not join the war against Canada when they were a member of the Allies?

The Netherlands did not join the Allies in the the War of Canadian Aggression due the sole reason of focusing their attention to the Great Pacific War and also feeling it had nothing to gain or lose if the joined the Allies, they did supply the Allies with goods however during the war.

Feb 26, 2016 0:31:51 GMT eurowatch said:

What is the situation inside the Soviet Union?

The Soviet Union is a aggressive country who tries to spread the communist revolution, they tried to get Poland (2nd Polish-Soviet War of 1936 to 1939 but Germany backed Poland and the Soviets where forced to end the war) they succeed in Finland (winning the Finish-Soviet War in 1939 to 1941 which saw the creation of the Finnish Democratic Republic), Baltic War of 1940 (saw the invasion and annexation Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania by the Soviet Union), Northern Africa wars of independence of 1954 to 1963 (saw friendly independent governments formed in Algeria, Libya aand Tunisia), the Chinese Civil War of 1947 to 1951 (saw the creation of the Soviet backed People's Republic of Manchuria and the British-German backed Republic of China) and some others i still have to flesh out.

[eurowatch]

Wouldn't it be more reasonable for Poland to be invaded last so it goes: Stalin comes to power-purges military-invades Finland-purges military due to very high loses suffered-invades Baltic-somebody tries to coup power-Stalin purges military again-invades Poland. So when the Red Army invades Poland almost all of the general staff has no idea what they are doing and can be relativly easily beaten back by more experienced German strategists.

What were the single most decisive Battles fought against Canada and Japan?
What is the status of the Dutch colonies?

[lordroel]

Feb 26, 2016 16:11:44 GMT eurowatch said:

Wouldn't it be more reasonable for Poland to be invaded last so it goes: Stalin comes to power-purges military-invades Finland-purges military due to very high loses suffered-invades Baltic-somebody tries to coup power-Stalin purges military again-invades Poland. So when the Red Army invades Poland almost all of the general staff has no idea what they are doing and can be relativly easily beaten back by more experienced German strategists.

It should but it was not the case, the reason why the Soviet Union did not win the 2nd Polish-Soviet War (1936-1939) was that Germany played a major role in it in aiding the Polish Republic in the war as the last thing Germany wants is a shared border with the Soviet Union, there was a military reform (or what we now as the Purge of 1939) which saw those who Stalin felt actionable for the Soviet Army losing the 2nd Polish-Soviet War being removed from their functions with the a bullet, several months latter those who where not purged knew when the Finish-Soviet War (1939-1941) broke out they had to win this one or they would lose their job and their life.

Feb 26, 2016 16:11:44 GMT eurowatch said:

What were the single most decisive Battles fought against Canada and Japan?

Will have to think of the battles fought against Japan but here are some of the most famous battles and campaigns fought in the War of Canadian Aggression of 1942 to 1946

The 1st Greenland Campaign of 1942

Early in the War the British, Danes and French believed they could easy retake Greenland and use it as a base to retake the other territories Canada had taken, the campaign ended in a disaster for them as Canada had enough air power operated from Greenland and naval presence to challenge them and to prevent Greenland from being retaken.

The 2nd Greenland Campaign of 1944

With the entry of Germany on the Allied side the balance of power had shifted in their favor, the 2nd Greenland Campaign allowed the allies after bloody fighting both on and around Greenland to take the island and use it as a staging for the invasion of the Canadian occupied Dominion of Newfoundland and Canadian occupied Saint Pierre and Miquelon in 1945.

New England Campaign of 1942 to 1945

When Canada invaded Greenland, Dominion of Newfoundland and Saint Pierre and Miquelon they also launched a invasion of the Commonwealth of New England who manged to hold out, with the New England front as it was called ending in a stalemate with neither Canada or New England able to gain any more territory around 1943 the war there seemed to end up as a repeat of the Western Front in World War I. This changed when a plan was toughed of to convince Canada that the allies (New England, Germany, United Kingdom, Denmark and France) where going to launch a major offensive against the Canadian hold side at the New England front, several Allied division where place in New England forcing Canada to do the same, but as it turn around it was all a ruse as the real invasion happened in the Dominion of Newfoundland where previous several Canadian divisions had been moved away to the New England front. With the 

Newfoundland Campaign of 1945 

The Newfoundland Campaign of 1945 to 1946 began with the Newfoundland landing on March 12th 1945 when the largest sea borne landing took place at that time (the invasion of Japan in 1946 was larger), also at the same time several allied divisions deployed on the New England front began their attack in order to tie up Canadian forces there, the Newfoundland Campaign lasted almost a month end allowed the Allies to enter Quebec which saw the start of the Quebec Campaign. 

Quebec Campaign of 1945 to 1946  

The Quebec Campaign saw fighting on three fronts, the first was the Allies moving from Newfoundland into Quebec, the second was Allied forces moving from New England into Quebec and the third was the Quebec Uprising which saw British and French special forces and Quebec rebels fighting Canadian troops across the province which ended with the liberation of the province and the creation of the provisional government of Quebec.

Ontario Campaign of 1945 to 1946

The Ontario Campaign of 1945 to 1946 was the last major Allied campaign in the War of Canadian Aggression and saw the allies (now joined by Quebec) invaded the province of Ontario, the campaign saw some of the heaviest fighting like the battle of Toronto, battle of Ontario and the battle of Mississauga, it ended when on April 8th 1946 president Adolf Hitler committed suicide in his bunker in Ontario, a day latter on April 9th Canadian air marshal Robert Leckie (appointed succor by president Adolf Hitler) announced the unconditionally surrendering of Canada to the allies ending the War of Canadian Aggression.

Feb 26, 2016 16:11:44 GMT eurowatch said:

What is the status of the Dutch colonies?

The Indonesian War of Independence was  a bloody war fought in 1946 when the empire of Japan surrender until 1951 and saw the creation of several countries which are:

United States of Indonesia: Java, Sumatra,Riau Islands and Borneo (not including the Southeast Borneo Federation).

Netherlands New Guinea.

Netherlands Timor.

State of East Indonesia (comprised all the islands to the east of Borneo which are Celebes, and the Moluccas, with their offshore islands.

Southeast Borneo Federation (made up of the southeastern part of the island of Borneo).

[eurowatch]

Blashemy, the Dutch empire shall never fall! No matter how many men, planes or ships Japan sends, they stand no chance against the full might of the Dutch Navy!

[lordroel]

Feb 27, 2016 18:55:36 GMT eurowatch said:

Blashemy, the Dutch empire shall never fall! No matter how many men, planes or ships Japan sends, they stand no chance against the full might of the Dutch Navy!

But it did happen, the Netherlands during the bloody Indonesian War of Independence saw that they could never regain the Netherlands East Indies as a whole so they decided to brake it up instead.

[eurowatch]

What minority was it that Hitler was oppressing? Did the Dutch navy have any carriers or submarine aces?

[lordroel]

Feb 28, 2016 19:45:39 GMT eurowatch said:

What minority was it that Hitler was oppressing?

There where the natives of Canada and the Quebecois living in the province of Quebec who became a little anti-Canadian after President Hitler created the republic in 1936, at first it was civil disobedience but it crew to a full scale rebellion, this is one of the reason that during the War of Canadian Aggression when the allies fought them self into the province of Quebec in 1945 to 1946 they decided (more a idea and pressure by the French) to allow Quebec to become a independent country which happened when the provisional government of Quebec was formed.

Feb 28, 2016 19:45:39 GMT eurowatch said:

Did the Dutch navy have any carriers or submarine aces?

During the Great Pacific War the Royal Netherlands Navy had for a time the second largest submarine fleet operating in the Pacific (the British had the largest), but that changed when Germany entered into the war in 1944, the Royal Navy did have some submarine aces but no carrier aces as the Royal Netherlands Navy never operated any carrier during the the Great Pacific War.

[eurowatch]

Feb 28, 2016 20:36:22 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 28, 2016 19:45:39 GMT eurowatch said:

What minority was it that Hitler was oppressing?

There where the natives of Canada and the Quebecois living in the province of Quebec who became a little anti-Canadian after President Hitler created the republic in 1936, at first it was civil disobedience but it crew to a full scale rebellion, this is one of the reason that during the War of Canadian Aggression when the allies fought them self into the province of Quebec in 1945 to 1946 they decided (more a idea and pressure by the French) to allow Quebec to become a independent country which happened when the provisional government of Quebec was formed.

Feb 28, 2016 19:45:39 GMT eurowatch said:

Did the Dutch navy have any carriers or submarine aces?

During the Great Pacific War the Royal Netherlands Navy had for a time the second largest submarine fleet operating in the Pacific (the British had the largest), but that changed when Germany entered into the war in 1944, the Royal Navy did have some submarine aces but no carrier aces as the Royal Netherlands Navy never operated any carrier during the the Great Pacific War.

Yamamoto: "Invading the DEI would be Impossible, there is a submarine behind every island."

[lordroel]

Feb 28, 2016 21:11:57 GMT eurowatch said:

Feb 28, 2016 20:36:22 GMT lordroel said:

There where the natives of Canada and the Quebecois living in the province of Quebec who became a little anti-Canadian after President Hitler created the republic in 1936, at first it was civil disobedience but it crew to a full scale rebellion, this is one of the reason that during the War of Canadian Aggression when the allies fought them self into the province of Quebec in 1945 to 1946 they decided (more a idea and pressure by the French) to allow Quebec to become a independent country which happened when the provisional government of Quebec was formed.

During the Great Pacific War the Royal Netherlands Navy had for a time the second largest submarine fleet operating in the Pacific (the British had the largest), but that changed when Germany entered into the war in 1944, the Royal Navy did have some submarine aces but no carrier aces as the Royal Netherlands Navy never operated any carrier during the the Great Pacific War.

Yamamoto: "Invading the DEI would be Impossible, there is a submarine behind every island."

At the beginning of the war the Royal Netherlands Navy had 17 submarines based out of Surabaya, Netherlands East Indies most of which were obsolete (the most modern submarines, 13 in total where operated by the Royal Netherlands Navy in home waters in Europe and more than 5 new once of the O-28 class under construction at that time). By the end of the war in 1946 the Royal Netherlands Navy had lost 11 submarines, build 12 (5 O-28 classses and 7 O-34 classes) and had 6 German Type VII U-boats transfer to them) bringing the number of submarines operated by the Royal Netherlands Navy at the end of the war in 1946 to 42.

Also the Netherlands East Indies is made up of five large islands and 13,677 smaller islands and has a combined era of some 1,919,440 sq km, larger than 17 submarines in the beginning of the war can cover.

Another thing not to forget that the Japanese could bring more firepower to the invasion of the Netherlands East Indies as they did not need to invade the Philippines as they already took it over in 1934 when the United States ceased to exist as a country.

[eurowatch]

Feb 29, 2016 4:22:24 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 28, 2016 21:11:57 GMT eurowatch said:

Yamamoto: "Invading the DEI would be Impossible, there is a submarine behind every island."

At the beginning of the war the Royal Netherlands Navy had 17 submarines based out of Surabaya, Netherlands East Indies most of which were obsolete (the most modern submarines, 13 in total where operated by the Royal Netherlands Navy in home waters in Europe and more than 5 new once of the O-28 class under construction at that time). By the end of the war in 1946 the Royal Netherlands Navy had lost 11 submarines, build 12 (5 O-28 classses and 7 O-34 classes) and had 6 German Type VII U-boats transfer to them) bringing the number of submarines operated by the Royal Netherlands Navy at the end of the war in 1946 to 42.

Also the Netherlands East Indies is made up of five large islands and 13,677 smaller islands and has a combined era of some 1,919,440 sq km, larger than 17 submarines in the beginning of the war can cover.

Another thing not to forget that the Japanese could bring more firepower to the invasion of the Netherlands East Indies as they did not need to invade the Philippines as they already took it over in 1934 when the United States ceased to exist as a country.

It was a modification of what Yamamoto really said: "Invading America would be Impossible, there is a gun behind every Straw of grass" which obviously was an exsvated (despite the Americans attempt to make this statement a reality). 
Also, why did Japan invade the European colonies when they already had Access to the resources in China and were free to expand their Pacific empire for the time being?

[lordroel]

Mar 1, 2016 0:20:46 GMT eurowatch said:

Also, why did Japan invade the European colonies when they already had Access to the resources in China and were free to expand their Pacific empire for the time being?

Because the well German trained and equipped Chinese National Revolutionary Army mange to stop the Empire of Japan fighting in their struggle to get control of China. This was mostly due the Sino-German cooperation which by 1941 had made sure that Japan controlled in 1941 fewer territory in China then they had in OTL, needing resources, mostly oil they felt they had no choice to launch the invasion of British, Netherlands and French colonies.