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Post by lordroel on May 29, 2016 14:52:48 GMT
The United States of Greater Austria (German: Vereinigte Staaten von Groß-Österreich) was a proposal, conceived by a group of scholars surrounding Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria, that never came to pass. This specific proposal was conceived by the lawyer and politician Aurel Popovici in 1906 and aimed at federalizing Austria-Hungary to help resolve widespread ethnic and nationalist tensions. Proposed map of the United States of Greater Austria, superimposed on the major ethnic groups of Austria-Hungary Proposed map of the United States of Greater Austria, by Popovici, 1906
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Post by spanishspy on May 29, 2016 22:06:25 GMT
Interesting. I guess Franz Ferdinand's assassination ruined chances of this. It may have been more stable.
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Post by lordroel on May 30, 2016 3:15:28 GMT
Interesting. I guess Franz Ferdinand's assassination ruined chances of this. It may have been more stable. That does not need to be the case, it could go good for a while before it turn into a mess. |
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Post by spanishspy on May 31, 2016 0:22:42 GMT
Interesting. I guess Franz Ferdinand's assassination ruined chances of this. It may have been more stable. That does not need to be the case, it could go good for a while before it turn into a mess. True, but a stable, democratic Austria-Hungary would be a boon to peace in Europe. |
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Post by lordroel on May 31, 2016 3:12:02 GMT
That does not need to be the case, it could go good for a while before it turn into a mess. True, but a stable, democratic Austria-Hungary would be a boon to peace in Europe. But would a United States of Greater Austria ( still got to war if Germany goes to war. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 1, 2016 1:40:52 GMT
True, but a stable, democratic Austria-Hungary would be a boon to peace in Europe. But would a United States of Greater Austria ( still got to war if Germany goes to war. I'm not sure. More pluralism in the government may lead to a more peaceable foreign policy. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 1, 2016 3:06:45 GMT
But would a United States of Greater Austria ( still got to war if Germany goes to war. I'm not sure. More pluralism in the government may lead to a more peaceable foreign policy. I see United States of Greater Austria as a greater version of Yugoslavia, it will only be a matter of time before it implodes and this time it will take many other countries in Europe with them. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 1, 2016 6:36:59 GMT
I'm not sure. More pluralism in the government may lead to a more peaceable foreign policy. I see United States of Greater Austria as a greater version of Yugoslavia, it will only be a matter of time before it implodes and this time it will take many other countries in Europe with them. Yugoslavia ended like it did due to the imbalance of power between the different ethnic groups. If they can keep Greater Austria liberal and democratic, it has a shot at working. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 1, 2016 13:56:26 GMT
I see United States of Greater Austria as a greater version of Yugoslavia, it will only be a matter of time before it implodes and this time it will take many other countries in Europe with them. Yugoslavia ended like it did due to the imbalance of power between the different ethnic groups. If they can keep Greater Austria liberal and democratic, it has a shot at working. So if Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in the period of 1906 to 1910 mange to create United States of Greater Austria would that prevent the Great War as the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in 1914 can still happen but it will not be the Austro-Hungarian Empire but instead in the United States of Greater Austria. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 3, 2016 3:25:51 GMT
Yugoslavia ended like it did due to the imbalance of power between the different ethnic groups. If they can keep Greater Austria liberal and democratic, it has a shot at working. So if Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in the period of 1906 to 1910 mange to create United States of Greater Austria would that prevent the Great War as the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in 1914 can still happen but it will not be the Austro-Hungarian Empire but instead in the United States of Greater Austria. If it's liberalized it may assuage the Black Hand's concerns to a degree. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 3, 2016 8:34:06 GMT
So if Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in the period of 1906 to 1910 mange to create United States of Greater Austria would that prevent the Great War as the Assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria in 1914 can still happen but it will not be the Austro-Hungarian Empire but instead in the United States of Greater Austria. If it's liberalized it may assuage the Black Hand's concerns to a degree. It could but the Black Hand might still want their own country made up of territories with a South Slavic majority not ruled by either Serbia or Montenegro, a United States of Greater Austria like it predecessor the Austro-Hungarian Empire might still be in the way for them. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 5, 2016 18:21:51 GMT
If it's liberalized it may assuage the Black Hand's concerns to a degree. It could but the Black Hand might still want their own country made up of territories with a South Slavic majority not ruled by either Serbia or Montenegro, a United States of Greater Austria like it predecessor the Austro-Hungarian Empire might still be in the way for them. True; they were still radicals. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 5, 2016 18:26:54 GMT
It could but the Black Hand might still want their own country made up of territories with a South Slavic majority not ruled by either Serbia or Montenegro, a United States of Greater Austria like it predecessor the Austro-Hungarian Empire might still be in the way for them. True; they were still radicals. They will try even with a United States of Greater Austria to create their own country, thus the change that the United States of Greater Austria will go to war with Serbia and thus create the situation as in OTL is still present. |
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Post by spanishspy on Jun 5, 2016 19:16:11 GMT
True; they were still radicals. They will try even with a United States of Greater Austria to create their own country, thus the change that the United States of Greater Austria will go to war with Serbia and thus create the situation as in OTL is still present. I think a USGA would be more inclined to diplomacy, if the liberalness needed to federalize is present. |
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Post by lordroel on Jun 5, 2016 19:17:34 GMT
They will try even with a United States of Greater Austria to create their own country, thus the change that the United States of Greater Austria will go to war with Serbia and thus create the situation as in OTL is still present. I think a USGA would be more inclined to diplomacy, if the liberalness needed to federalize is present. But it will only work if the old Kaiser is not in charge of the United States of Greater Austria. |
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