Lollard Reformation: The fall of the Roman Church in Albion

[Roderick3D]

Lollard Reformation: The fall of the Roman Church in Albion

In the year of our Lord 1381, the peasants of England pass by harsh times, the high taxes resulting from the conflict with France, the economic situation caused by the Bubonic Plague and the religious turmoil inside the Kingdom all have contributed to the lowering rates of popularity of Richard II, violent rebellions start spreading all over Essex by February, on May London as burning, the king fleet to West Sussex it is court leaving the east in the hand of the rebels, although the rebellion never had any religious objective Lollardism have start spread it the population, this heresy of the Western Christianity denied any special status to the priesthood and challenged the practice of clerical celibacy. John Ball, a Lollard priest and one of the leaders of the rebellion starts propagating is ideas to the peasant mob, this news haven't been well received by John Wycliffe, theologian and founder of Lollardism, fearing a higher persecution after the rebellion he and his supporters fleet to Castile. This marks a break between the Essexer Lollardism popular it the English peasants and the more organized Wycliffe Lollardism popular it some nobles. By August the last royalist strongholds in Kent have fallen, more people join the rebellion every village they passed, the ones that oppose them end decapitated, armed it sticks, hoes, axes, old swords and longbows they end conquering Sussex on ends of October after the royalist army rebel against their overlords and join the peasants. The King fleet again this time to South Cumbria here he had a major support, a similar rebellion break in based in it the new religious thinking of the Essexer Lollardism, by December Cornwall have fallen in the hands of the rebels.
By November the state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are abandoned, the granaries empty, there isn't food for supply the army and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinking of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire leaving the south unprotected. While that Richard gathered a royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy occupation of the castle, during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire on the royalist camp, the know is that the king never enter in the castle, 2 peasants of unknown name infiltrate in the siege camp mounted near Leicester and set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed, Sir Roger campaign have been a success and the last royalist positions in the north are now unprotected, Scottish man start crossing the borders regularly in well-planned incursions plundering the royalist villages and violating the young peasants. The barons of the north decide crown John of Gaunt as king, on 6 of March of the Year of our Lord 1382, John II is crown King of England and France in St Laurence's Church, during the coronation the title of Lord of Ireland is forgotten, that makes John the first King of England that not officially possessed the Lordship of Ireland since 1171. Roger came back to London in 2 of April and claims the title of King, the peasants and bourgeois of London highly contested his claim and the situation is only settled under the Treaty of the Thames, it the established a new government position, the magistrate that shall cooperate with the king in the administration of the nation, this person is elected by a council of low ranking nobles from Greater London for the term 6 years. This new magistrate remain it low power but it the support of the council he can veto any action of the king, also the treaty redistribute the church lands between the peasants, abolished the Archbishopric of Canterbury and abolished various rank of nobility it the objective of reduce the influence of the nobles of the north and centre in the government of London, he crown himself King of England and Ireland on 23 of April, negating the pope influence in Ireland and not citing any claim on the French throne. While that the John II try defend the remains of the royalists against the Scottish raids that now become part of everyday live in Northumberland and Cumbria.

All men are by nature equal, made all of the same earth by one Workman; and however we deceive ourselves, as dear unto God is the poor peasant as the mighty prince

Plato

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[stevep]

Dec 3, 2016 11:05:11 GMT Roderick3D said:

In the year of our Lord 1381, the peasants of England pass by harsh times, the high taxes resulting from the conflict with France, the economical situation caused by the Bubonic Plague and the religious turmoil inside the Kingdom all have contributed to the lowering rates of popularity of Richard II, violent rebellions start spreading all over Essex by February, on May London as burning, the king fleet to West Sussex it is court leaving the east in the hand of the rebels, although the rebellion never had any religious objective lollardism have start spread it the population, this heresy of the Western Christianity denied any special status to the priesthood and challenged the practice of clerical celibacy. John Ball, a lollard priest and one of the leaders of the rebellion starts propagating is ideas to the peasant mob, this news haven't been well received by John Wycliffe, theologian and founder of lollardism, fearing a higher persecution after the rebellion he and his supporters fleet to Castile. This marks a break between the Essexer Lollardism popular it the rebellion and English peasants and the more organized Wycliffe Lollardism popular it some nobles.

All men are by nature equal, made all of the same earth by one Workman; and however we deceive ourselves, as dear unto God is the poor peasant as the mighty prince

Plato

  That would be an interesting idea.  I suspect that its too early for a successful break-away from Rome by England as we're still at the tail end of the crusades and the church hasn't totally tainted its reputation yet.  Plus with the Lollard movement being split that further weakens it.

  Fear that the result would be a strong reaction by conservative forces, both internal and external, the latter probably being as much political as religious in motive.  [Chances of weakening an enemy or simply looting land, which could well be a motive for some Scots say.

  Only real thing would be if the revolt prompted similar uprisings on the continent, most noticeably in France which is also in a bad way at this point.  In which cause you could have a much wider conflict with a lot of devastation and while the reactionaries are still likely to win it could see a successful break-away from Rome by some lands.

  Steve

[Roderick3D]

Dec 3, 2016 12:11:51 GMT stevep said:

  That would be an interesting idea.  I suspect that its too early for a successful break-away from Rome by England as we're still at the tail end of the crusades and the church hasn't totally tainted its reputation yet.  Plus with the Lollard movement being split that further weakens it.

  Fear that the result would be a strong reaction by conservative forces, both internal and external, the latter probably being as much political as religious in motive.  [Chances of weakening an enemy or simply looting land, which could well be a motive for some Scots say.

  Only real thing would be if the revolt prompted similar uprisings on the continent, most noticeably in France which is also in a bad way at this point.  In which cause you could have a much wider conflict with a lot of devastation and while the reactionaries are still likely to win it could see a successful break-away from Rome by some lands.

  Steve

There is a possibility of Catharism regrown in popularity it the Occitan and North Italian populations and maybe spread to Navarre, Barcelona and Aragon.

The dukes of the west will probably oppose the rebellion, I also want some Scottish intervention to happen.

[stevep]

Dec 3, 2016 16:26:50 GMT Roderick3D said:

Dec 3, 2016 12:11:51 GMT stevep said:

  That would be an interesting idea.  I suspect that its too early for a successful break-away from Rome by England as we're still at the tail end of the crusades and the church hasn't totally tainted its reputation yet.  Plus with the Lollard movement being split that further weakens it.

  Fear that the result would be a strong reaction by conservative forces, both internal and external, the latter probably being as much political as religious in motive.  [Chances of weakening an enemy or simply looting land, which could well be a motive for some Scots say.

  Only real thing would be if the revolt prompted similar uprisings on the continent, most noticeably in France which is also in a bad way at this point.  In which cause you could have a much wider conflict with a lot of devastation and while the reactionaries are still likely to win it could see a successful break-away from Rome by some lands.

  Steve

There is a possibility of Catharism regrown in popularity it the Occitan and North Italian populations and maybe spread to Navarre, Barcelona and Aragon.

The dukes of the west will probably oppose the rebellion, I also want some Scottish intervention to happen.

  I think the Cathars are pretty much exterminated by this point.  Also their believes would have very little in common with the Lollards I suspect.  However I could see a more general opposition to Papal superiority and the privileges of the clergy.

  Those in power already will no doubt oppose such a revolutionary set of ideas and the more conservative common people are likely to support them.

  At this time period Scottish intervention will probably be nasty with a lot of looting and devastation but that could backfire as that would mostly be in the north, which is likely to be anti Lollard so people there could be alienated and the forces from those areas distracted from operating against the rebels by defending against the Scots.

  Steve

[Roderick3D]

Dec 3, 2016 18:31:58 GMT stevep said:

Dec 3, 2016 16:26:50 GMT Roderick3D said:

There is a possibility of Catharism regrown in popularity it the Occitan and North Italian populations and maybe spread to Navarre, Barcelona and Aragon.

The dukes of the west will probably oppose the rebellion, I also want some Scottish intervention to happen.

  I think the Cathars are pretty much exterminated by this point.  Also their believes would have very little in common with the Lollards I suspect.  However I could see a more general opposition to Papal superiority and the privileges of the clergy.

  Those in power already will no doubt oppose such a revolutionary set of ideas and the more conservative common people are likely to support them.

  At this time period Scottish intervention will probably be nasty with a lot of looting and devastation but that could backfire as that would mostly be in the north, which is likely to be anti Lollard so people there could be alienated and the forces from those areas distracted from operating against the rebels by defending against the Scots.

  Steve

Ok, I go start write

[stevep]

Dec 4, 2016 9:43:59 GMT Roderick3D said:

Dec 3, 2016 18:31:58 GMT stevep said:

  I think the Cathars are pretty much exterminated by this point.  Also their believes would have very little in common with the Lollards I suspect.  However I could see a more general opposition to Papal superiority and the privileges of the clergy.

  Those in power already will no doubt oppose such a revolutionary set of ideas and the more conservative common people are likely to support them.

  At this time period Scottish intervention will probably be nasty with a lot of looting and devastation but that could backfire as that would mostly be in the north, which is likely to be anti Lollard so people there could be alienated and the forces from those areas distracted from operating against the rebels by defending against the Scots.

  Steve

Ok, I go start write

  Best of luck.  See what you come up with.

  Steve

[Roderick3D]

By August the last royalist strongholds in Kent have fallen, more people join the rebellion every village they passed, the ones that oppose them end decapitated, armed it sticks, hoes, axes, old swords and longbows they end conquering Sussex on ends of October after the royalist army rebel against their overlords and join the peasants. The King fleet again this time to South Cumbria here he had a major support, a similar rebellion break in Hampshire but it low in common it the new religious thinking of the Essexer Lollardism. By December Cornwall have fallen in the hands of the rebels.

[Roderick3D]

Dec 4, 2016 10:32:51 GMT stevep said:

Dec 4, 2016 9:43:59 GMT Roderick3D said:

Ok, I go start write

  Best of luck.  See what you come up with.

  Steve

That as little but I have a idea, can the rebels support some pretender, or be supported by some pretender?

[stevep]

Dec 4, 2016 10:51:09 GMT Roderick3D said:

Dec 4, 2016 10:32:51 GMT stevep said:

  Best of luck.  See what you come up with.

  Steve

That as little but I have a idea, can the rebels support some pretender, or be supported by some pretender?

  That is a possibility if there is a suitable pretender around who would at least appear to support them.  It is noticeably OTL that the peasants directed their anger at the nobles and assorted officials, and appealed to the king to protect them against those underlings.  As such, although the Lollard cred might suggest an opposition to any hierarchy it could well be that most people would prefer a single figure to lead them.

  This will mean the existing establishment will be even more opposed to them but then there's not much chance of compromise between the two sides anyway.

  Steve

[Roderick3D]

The state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are uncultivated, the granaries empty, there isn't a bread for every day and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinkings of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire. While that Richard gathered an royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy ocupation of the castle, during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire on the royalist camp, the know is that the king never enter in the castle, some peasants infiltrate in the siege camp mounted near Leicester and set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed.

[lordroel]

Dec 6, 2016 18:48:17 GMT Roderick3D said:

The state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are uncultivated, the granaries empty, there isn't a bread for every day and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinkings of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire. While that Richard gathered an royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy ,during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire in the royalist camp, the know is that some peasants infiltrate in the camp set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed.

So do you have a name for the war.

[Roderick3D]

Dec 6, 2016 19:03:57 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 6, 2016 18:48:17 GMT Roderick3D said:

The state of anarchy of the lands controlled by the peasants as notable, the fields are uncultivated, the granaries empty, there isn't a bread for every day and the man start disbanding. Fearing the end of the rebellion John Ball call for a meeting it Sir Roger Clarendon, bastard son of the Black Prince, Sir Roger decide lead the rebellion against is step-brother Richard II and accept the new religious thinkings of the peasants. The new leader son start a new campaign for Leicestershire. While that Richard gathered an royalist army of 5.000 man but great part of the fighting age males support the cause of the rebels. The king leave Cumbria by February of 1382 to London not knowing of the rebel position, the tale says that reaching Leicester Castle the king decide to pass there the night unknowing of the enemy ,during the night 3 peasants enter in his bedchambers, kill him and set fire in the royalist camp, the know is that some peasants infiltrate in the camp set fire on it, the peasants hidden in the hoods surge persecuting the man try fleeing, during the chaos the king is killed.

So do you have a name for the war.

The (more successful) Peasants' Rebellion, the (more successful)Great Rising our Lollard Rebellion/Rising

[lordroel]

Dec 6, 2016 19:15:58 GMT Roderick3D said:

Dec 6, 2016 19:03:57 GMT lordroel said:

So do you have a name for the war.

The (more successful) Peasants' Rebellion, the (more successful)Great Rising our Lollard Rebellion/Rising

So the Peasants' Rebellion of 1381, sounds okay to me.

[Roderick3D]

Dec 6, 2016 19:18:27 GMT lordroel said:

Dec 6, 2016 19:15:58 GMT Roderick3D said:

The (more successful) Peasants' Rebellion, the (more successful)Great Rising our Lollard Rebellion/Rising

So the Peasants' Rebellion of 1381, sounds okay to me.

If you want my lord

[lordroel]

Dec 6, 2016 19:20:22 GMT Roderick3D said:

Dec 6, 2016 19:18:27 GMT lordroel said:

So the Peasants' Rebellion of 1381, sounds okay to me.

If you want my lord

So is Sir Roger Clarendon going to be the next king ore somebody else going to sit on the English throne.