Soviet Domination - A Red Dawn story

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Don't the Soviet/Warsaw Pact forces make it to Arkansas? 13 year old me might wind up behind enemy lines!

[stevep]

May 5, 2018 21:14:14 GMT lordroel said:

So when will we see the well trained Mexican Army liberate the people of United States occupied Mexico states of New Mexico,Texas, Arizona and California if you know what i mean.

  Well from the mention of the Mexican 'revolutionary' forces in California I think there's a high probability of brutality and slaughter in places I fear.  Which is what I suspect you mean.  Also the nuking of Mexico city probably won't help with that.

[stevep]

May 6, 2018 8:33:02 GMT @theavalonproject said:

Don't the Soviet/Warsaw Pact forces make it to Arkansas? 13 year old me might wind up behind enemy lines!

  Well, if butterflies haven't affected my life I'm a new recruit at AWRE Aldermaston, having started in mid-August so my place of employment could see some Soviet attention.

[lordroel]

May 6, 2018 10:08:04 GMT stevep said:

May 6, 2018 8:33:02 GMT @theavalonproject said:

Don't the Soviet/Warsaw Pact forces make it to Arkansas? 13 year old me might wind up behind enemy lines!

  Well, if butterflies haven't affected my life I'm a new recruit at AWRE Aldermaston, having started in mid-August so my place of employment could see some Soviet attention.

If James follows the Red Dawn classic movie, the United kingdom will be bombed, but not invaded, except maybe by Soviet special forces only.

[stevep]

May 6, 2018 10:12:02 GMT lordroel said:

May 6, 2018 10:08:04 GMT stevep said:

  Well, if butterflies haven't affected my life I'm a new recruit at AWRE Aldermaston, having started in mid-August so my place of employment could see some Soviet attention.

If James follows the Red Dawn classic movie, the United kingdom will be bombed, but not invaded, except maybe by Soviet special forces only.

  That's what I'm thinking.  If they have any sense - which rules out what their been doing! - they will be concentrating on military and communications targets to minimise disruption of their force/supply movements to N America but I wouldn't be too surprised if something came our way.  At the very least security will go up a lot.  [You never know they might even shoot a few Campaign for Nuclear Destruction supporters if they turn up. ]

[lukedalton]

Ok, just in the first day at least 10 million of death already between Soviet and USA (and China has not even happened)...reconstruction will be an hell. The thing that in this scenario always intrigued me was the aftermath attitude of the average american citizen; what will change after years of brutal warfare,the war deprivation and the millions of displaced?
We will see million of american emigrating? In general the all inclusive WWII experience do numbers at your society, expecially if the most recent similar experience happened 120 years ago

[James G]

May 6, 2018 8:33:02 GMT @theavalonproject said:

Don't the Soviet/Warsaw Pact forces make it to Arkansas? 13 year old me might wind up behind enemy lines!

Get your rifle and join the Arkansas branch of the wolverines?

May 6, 2018 10:06:17 GMT stevep said:

  Well from the mention of the Mexican 'revolutionary' forces in California I think there's a high probability of brutality and slaughter in places I fear.  Which is what I suspect you mean.  Also the nuking of Mexico city probably won't help with that.

Yeah, Mexico is no longer a problem to worry about. The Soviets now have that headache to deal with.

May 6, 2018 10:12:02 GMT lordroel said:

If James follows the Red Dawn classic movie, the United kingdom will be bombed, but not invaded, except maybe by Soviet special forces only.

There will be no Sea-Bear but a whole lot of other stuff going on.

May 6, 2018 10:58:27 GMT stevep said:

  That's what I'm thinking.  If they have any sense - which rules out what their been doing! - they will be concentrating on military and communications targets to minimise disruption of their force/supply movements to N America but I wouldn't be too surprised if something came our way.  At the very least security will go up a lot.  [You never know they might even shoot a few Campaign for Nuclear Destruction supporters if they turn up. ]

The geographic situation and neutrality with other countries will complicate matters: aiding and frustrating both the Soviets and the British.
As to domestic UK opposition, there will be many unfortunate occurrences.

May 6, 2018 12:21:45 GMT lukedalton said:

Ok, just in the first day at least 10 million of death already between Soviet and USA (and China has not even happened)...reconstruction will be an hell. The thing that in this scenario always intrigued me was the aftermath attitude of the average american citizen; what will change after years of brutal warfare,the war deprivation and the millions of displaced?
We will see million of american emigrating? In general the all inclusive WWII experience do numbers at your society, expecially if the most recent similar experience happened 120 years ago

I have no idea how that will go. It won't be pleasant.

[James G]

(157)

17th September 1984:

As could be expected, the news that not only had the United States suffered a bolt from the blue (or should that be ‘red’?) nuclear strike but was also coming under invasion was quite the shock to service personnel across the nation. There was some disbelief too among some – surely this must be a joke? – yet the vast majority of that was quickly dismissed. Training and discipline kicked in. Much of the US Armed Forces had been at a higher state of alert before the sudden attack due to the on-off air intervention in Mexico, the stand-off with Cuba and the issue with North Korea looking likely to strike too. The dust hadn’t settled at home, physically nor metaphorically, but those in uniform got to the business of fighting the war which had bee forced upon them. Many staff officers were running around like headless chickens and there was a lot of problems with communications. However, the basic fact was that there was an invasion underway and it would be opposed. It was coming from Mexico where there were those Cuban and Nicaraguan troops which it had been said where in-place to ‘defend Mexico’ were the ones who would be moving north. Whether any Mexicans were involved was something nor yet known. As to the Soviets, their role was not yet understood: were they too involved in this invasion directly or just aiding it with fire-support? As the war’s first day wore onwards, there came some answers forthcoming alongside a lot of fighting.

How long this was all going to last was something that couldn’t yet be known though.


The skies over America were full of aircraft. Aircraft in the service of all branches of the US Armed Forces got airborne in response to the first nuclear attacks less they be caught on the ground in further attacks. Some of those had gone into action against transport aircraft where possible while others had circled around doing nothing. There were civilian aircraft in the skies as well, confusing the radar picture, before there was an emergency grounding of anything non-military. Military aircraft were eventually brought back down, either to their home bases or others, when no second wave of nuclear detonations occurred. Fuel was a massive concern and so too was the fact that so many didn’t have the ammunition to do anything. The initial panic with sending everyone up came to an end. Several more airbases throughout the western half of the country had been hit by commando actions like many SAC sites had though the damage in real terms was minimal beyond the confusion and a lot of dead bodies: aircraft losses weren’t significant. What was important was to get the mass of combat aircraft that the country had doing something effective. They could be sent into action over their own airspace with friendly forces and bases all over the place. What enemy they would face would be far from home and few in number. All of the advantages in the battle for the skies would be on the American’s side as long as they were able to sort themselves out. This was started. Intelligence information was patchy and a lot of reconnaissance needed doing. There also was the need for organised command for operations beyond the peacetime set-up. Still, there was the beginning of the process of getting all that started while at the same time there was also the ability to hit back in certain places even at such an early stage.

Where possible, and certainly as soon as possible, American combat aircraft would go into action on offensive missions beyond the country’s borders. There were many targets already selected for Avid Castle strikes through Mexico which hadn’t been approved; other attacks under the Dark Knight code-name for those against Cuba had been ‘delayed’ by Kennedy. Those could commence. The groundwork was done and once changes were made, in an ever-changing situation, they could get underway. Further work would be needed to follow them up but the necessary start could get underway quicker than might be thought because the initial preparation had been done pre-war. An invasion army would be moving north from Mexico and should be easy to spot from the air. That was to be blasted. As to Cuba, it was home to Cuban forces plus those Soviet deployed there which had been seen pre-war: again, they were all fair game now for air attacks.

As to missions over American skies, those were at the same time easier but, conversely, more difficult to undertake too at the beginning. Fighter sweeps could sent, especially along the border and around the reported sites of the airdrops of paratroopers, and along with them would be sent attack aircraft on tactical missions. There was no real time for major pre-strike reconnaissance over those areas and also worries about civilian casualties yet that was unavoidable. This had to be done, and done now. Reports were coming in that many airbases along the border areas – training facilities were aplenty there – were either confirmed to have been captured or under firm attack. The enemy would soon be trying to base fighters at them and they needed to be attacked straight away. What were called ‘frag orders’ were dispatched from headquarters down to combat units to begin this as the afternoon turned to the evening. Things remained a mess but this had to all get going. The US Air Force would be joined by the air elements of the US Navy and the US Marines in undertaking urgent air action. National guard units had received mobilisation orders and would soon be in support. A lot of answers to what was going on would come once the aircraft got into action. Enemy aircraft were all over the skies above America supporting troops on the ground: they all needed to feel the might of US air power.


After some debate, Bentsen and the Joint Chiefs left the Pentagon. There was a lot of radiation in the air outside due to the DC bombs but the wind was blowing the fallout the other way… further up the Eastern Seaboard. Exposure time would be brief and a couple of evacuation helicopters were sent for a dash flight to the Pentagon to grab those VIPs and a few others coming out with them. There were many people at the Pentagon who needed evacuation and others in dire need of medical attention, but at the moment the most urgent task was getting the secretary of defence and the service chiefs out. Chemical warfare gear was worn by those making the rescue and those being lifted out. A pair of helicopters made that evacuation, staying far away from DC as well as the scene of the attack on Langley as well which had obliterated the CIA headquarters. The skies on what should have been a bright afternoon were dark though there was light on the ground – a mix of yellows, oranges and reds – where fires burned. Those fires were seemingly everywhere. Americans were caught in the way of what came after the nuclear detonations.

Before leaving, orders had been dispatched from the Pentagon to follow-up the initial flash traffic which had gone out in the panic to US Armed Forces ground units. US Army Forces Command (FORSCOM) at Fort McPherson in Georgia would take under operational command the Fifth and Sixth Armies with those two headquarters being responsible for subordinate US Army, US Army Reserve, US Army National Guard and US Marines elements west of the Mississippi. East of the Mississippi, FORSCOM would have command over the First Army which again would control a mix of units standing and mobilising across the eastern half of the country. Many other headquarters needed forming and much work would need to be done in the coming days. Regardless, in the meantime, there was fighting take place and this basic arrangement would be followed at the start before it was expanded upon. The mission orders were to ‘repel and drive back border incursions’ with specific information being sent as soon as it became available. It was a mess. That much was true, yet these were the first hours of the war.

The US Navy had already begun surging ships and that continued. The Chief of Naval Operations was getting all sorts of reports of action overseas which the US Navy was seeing where some elements had come under attack and responded in self-defence. Others had gone into action once DEFCON 1 had been declared, attacking Soviet forces where they could as well as designated wartime targets of Soviet allies. There were communications problems with US-based radio transmitters and satellite-relay stations having been attacked but the messages were getting out where possible. That alert at home had seen urgent activity at naval stations across the United States, inland and on the coasts. There was an issue with damage caused by a commando attack at Alameda – coming from a submarine it seemed – and also incidents where ‘innocent’ civilian ships appeared to have been trying to lay mines near bases: one was sunk off Norfolk and another left a burning wreck near San Diego. Nonetheless, the US Navy was off to fight too. It was clear that they would have a major role in this war, maybe the biggest soon enough: a Soviet-led war in the Western Hemisphere, whether they took a leading part or a supporting role, would overall be one where control of the seas was paramount. Ships were being sent to sea with more to follow them.

America was at war.

[lordroel]

May 6, 2018 14:00:55 GMT James G said:

(157)

America was at war.

Good to see America responding, the fight is one.

[lordbyron]

Good update.

Methinks the Soviets will learn the truth of this quote (interestingly, it's probably fictional): I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.

The Soviets are so screwed here it's not even funny...

Waiting for more...

[James G]

May 6, 2018 14:05:00 GMT lordroel said:

May 6, 2018 14:00:55 GMT James G said:

(157)

America was at war.

Good to see America responding, the fight is one.

It really is.

May 6, 2018 17:20:52 GMT lordbyron said:

Good update.

Methinks the Soviets will learn the truth of this quote (interestingly, it's probably fictional): I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve.

The Soviets are so screwed here it's not even funny...

Waiting for more...

'Give the whole rotten thing one kick and it will all come tumbling down': that will be their thinking with regards to the US.
More incoming.

[James G]

(158)

17th September 1984:

Glenn and Bentsen weren’t the only senior Cabinet-level members of the US Government who had survived the Soviet attack. The Secretary of Commence was alive – he’d been on his way to Japan for an official visit and arrived there – while the Secretary of Education was located down in Louisiana. Both men were safe. So many more were missing, presumed dead. Kennedy had certainly been killed at the White House while Mondale and Bayh had been on their way to Andrews when the nuclear blasts had gone off above DC; there was no word on other Cabinet members. The Congressional leadership had been in the city as well along with the majority of senators and congressmen. One of the justices from the Supreme Court was confirmed to be alive and there was hope that another one (reported to have been on his way into Washington at the time) might be alive: the other seven were all gone. Heads of executive agencies of the federal government from the FBI, the CIA, FEMA, the Federal Reserve and so on were on the list of missing while their various headquarters buildings had been blown to bits. The decapitation of the top of the government wasn’t complete but it was pretty damn close to being so.

Bentsen arrived at Raven Rock and his focus was on military matters at a time like this. There was fighting at home and there was fighting overseas, a lot of both. Meanwhile, Glenn remained on Air Force One with the aircraft meeting a tanker sent by SAC when over Kentucky as the new president flew eastwards. He was heading for Wright-Patterson AFB in his native Ohio to change aircraft. There had been a desire for him to come further east to go to Mount Weather or to the Greenbriar facility where what members of Congress nationwide alive were supposed to head towards but Bentsen and the Joint Chiefs firmly suggested that that was a bad idea for the time being. The Soviets could make another nuclear strike. What they had said over the Hot-Line could just be a maskirovka. NORAD had run through all the data it had again and could see no sign of any missile tracks which had come in to destroy Kansas City and Offutt AFB. There was indication now that faint radar echoes off the Eastern Seaboard before Washington was obliterated could have been cruise missiles but even that was still unconfirmed: a couple of radar stations along the Atlantic coastline had gone off-line before the attack and they hadn’t been sending data then nor now to confirm that. In short, another nuclear attack could come with little or no warning. There might be some sort of pre-placed weapon near to either Mount Weather or the Greenbriar – that was the current thinking on Kansas City & Offutt – or a submarine lurking off the coast ready with cruise missiles to attack either should the Soviets find out Glenn reached either. There was so much unknown at the minute and a lot of concern. They had tried to kill him once and could easily have another go. For the time being, him being airborne remained a far better idea.

SAC had many of its bombers airborne and most of the ICBMs were on-line. There were submarines with Poseidon & Trident missiles at sea with which contact had been made even if that was patchy without the majority of the TACAMO aircraft. If the Soviets wanted to go a second round, the United States was able to do so. Glenn was in a position to order another strike against them though it would only be a retaliatory one. He had made that clear despite the urging of one of his ‘guests’, that congressman aboard Air Force One – who remained welded to the idea of effectively wiping the Soviet Union off the face of the earth – that the United States should finish what had begun with Leningrad and the Kartaly missile-field now that an invasion was underway. What was the point of having nuclear weapons if they couldn’t be used to defend one’s own soil from direct invasion? Glenn expressed his view that such a thing would mean the Soviets would do the same to America too and so wouldn’t order another strike, not even against Cuba when the congressman pushed for that as well. It just wasn’t going to happen, he wouldn’t do it.


From New York City, the deputy director of the FBI got in touch with Mount Weather first (he was at the FEMA regional office in Manhattan and Mount Weather was a FEMA site) and then was put in contact with the president when his call was relayed onwards. There had been several terrorist attacks in New York – the power to most of the Subway had been knocked out, the NYPD headquarters had been hit by a bomb blast, Gracie Mansion was on fire – and he was getting reports through the FBI field office that New York wasn’t alone in being struck like this: other cities had been hit by terrorists and/or commandos too. He was worried about when the news came to most of the public about the nuclear attack and also when it got dark too: there was going to be anarchy in many places. Mobilisation orders were going out everywhere to reserve and national guard units across the country but no one had told the American people what was really going on. The sirens had sounded nationwide and Glenn had made a short statement which had told people nothing of any substance. Rumours were spreading already. This was a dangerous situation. Why was the truth being hidden, he asked, when the best thing to do was to say what was going on, surely? Glenn told him of the need for the priority over military affairs at a time like this with information being held back. Respectfully, but firmly, the president was told that was the worst possible idea. There would come an immediate rally-around-the-flag effect with the truth, certainly bigger than anything seen before in American history. Of course, things could be left out when it came to the scale of the damage, yet the best thing to do now was to be honest of the overall situation. From what was being picked up infrequently in New York, media outlets were reporting snippets of wild stories and rumours across the South-West near where there was fighting. No one was controlling what they were saying.

Information control needed to be established. At the top of that needed to be the president. The radio broadcast relayed from Air Force One wouldn’t have been heard by everyone and it had sounded distorted from where it had been heard in New York. Get on television, Mister President, and address the American people!

[lordroel]

May 6, 2018 17:31:10 GMT James G said:

(158)

17th September 1984:

Glenn and Bentsen weren’t the only senior Cabinet-level members of the US Government who had survived the Soviet attack. The Secretary of Commence was alive – he’d been on his way to Japan for an official visit and arrived there – while the Secretary of Education was located down in Louisiana. Both men were safe. So many more were missing, presumed dead. Kennedy had certainly been killed at the White House while Mondale and Bayh had been on their way to Andrews when the nuclear blasts had gone off above DC; there was no word on other Cabinet members. The Congressional leadership had been in the city as well along with the majority of senators and congressmen. One of the justices from the Supreme Court was confirmed to be alive and there was hope that another one (reported to have been on his way into Washington at the time) might be alive: the other seven were all gone. Heads of executive agencies of the federal government from the FBI, the CIA, FEMA, the Federal Reserve and so on were on the list of missing while their various headquarters buildings had been blown to bits. The decapitation of the top of the government wasn’t complete but it was pretty damn close to being so.

Bentsen arrived at Raven Rock and his focus was on military matters at a time like this. There was fighting at home and there was fighting overseas, a lot of both. Meanwhile, Glenn remained on Air Force One with the aircraft meeting a tanker sent by SAC when over Kentucky as the new president flew eastwards. He was heading for Wright-Patterson AFB in his native Ohio to change aircraft. There had been a desire for him to come further east to go to Mount Weather or to the Greenbriar facility where what members of Congress nationwide alive were supposed to head towards but Bentsen and the Joint Chiefs firmly suggested that that was a bad idea for the time being. The Soviets could make another nuclear strike. What they had said over the Hot-Line could just be a maskirovka. NORAD had run through all the data it had again and could see no sign of any missile tracks which had come in to destroy Kansas City and Offutt AFB. There was indication now that faint radar echoes off the Eastern Seaboard before Washington was obliterated could have been cruise missiles but even that was still unconfirmed: a couple of radar stations along the Atlantic coastline had gone off-line before the attack and they hadn’t been sending data then nor now to confirm that. In short, another nuclear attack could come with little or no warning. There might be some sort of pre-placed weapon near to either Mount Weather or the Greenbriar – that was the current thinking on Kansas City & Offutt – or a submarine lurking off the coast ready with cruise missiles to attack either should the Soviets find out Glenn reached either. There was so much unknown at the minute and a lot of concern. They had tried to kill him once and could easily have another go. For the time being, him being airborne remained a far better idea.

SAC had many of its bombers airborne and most of the ICBMs were on-line. There were submarines with Poseidon & Trident missiles at sea with which contact had been made even if that was patchy without the majority of the TACAMO aircraft. If the Soviets wanted to go a second round, the United States was able to do so. Glenn was in a position to order another strike against them though it would only be a retaliatory one. He had made that clear despite the urging of one of his ‘guests’, that congressman aboard Air Force One – who remained welded to the idea of effectively wiping the Soviet Union off the face of the earth – that the United States should finish what had begun with Leningrad and the Kartaly missile-field now that an invasion was underway. What was the point of having nuclear weapons if they couldn’t be used to defend one’s own soil from direct invasion? Glenn expressed his view that such a thing would mean the Soviets would do the same to America too and so wouldn’t order another strike, not even against Cuba when the congressman pushed for that as well. It just wasn’t going to happen, he wouldn’t do it.


From New York City, the deputy director of the FBI got in touch with Mount Weather first (he was at the FEMA regional office in Manhattan and Mount Weather was a FEMA site) and then was put in contact with the president when his call was relayed onwards. There had been several terrorist attacks in New York – the power to most of the Subway had been knocked out, the NYPD headquarters had been hit by a bomb blast, Gracie Mansion was on fire – and he was getting reports through the FBI field office that New York wasn’t alone in being struck like this: other cities had been hit by terrorists and/or commandos too. He was worried about when the news came to most of the public about the nuclear attack and also when it got dark too: there was going to be anarchy in many places. Mobilisation orders were going out everywhere to reserve and national guard units across the country but no one had told the American people what was really going on. The sirens had sounded nationwide and Glenn had made a short statement which had told people nothing of any substance. Rumours were spreading already. This was a dangerous situation. Why was the truth being hidden, he asked, when the best thing to do was to say what was going on, surely? Glenn told him of the need for the priority over military affairs at a time like this with information being held back. Respectfully, but firmly, the president was told that was the worst possible idea. There would come an immediate rally-around-the-flag effect with the truth, certainly bigger than anything seen before in American history. Of course, things could be left out when it came to the scale of the damage, yet the best thing to do now was to be honest of the overall situation. From what was being picked up infrequently in New York, media outlets were reporting snippets of wild stories and rumours across the South-West near where there was fighting. No one was controlling what they were saying.

Information control needed to be established. At the top of that needed to be the president. The radio broadcast relayed from Air Force One wouldn’t have been heard by everyone and it had sounded distorted from where it had been heard in New York. Get on television, Mister President, and address the American people!

Well another good update that raises a question, where ere Reagan and Bush.

[James G]

May 6, 2018 18:04:39 GMT lordroel said:

May 6, 2018 17:31:10 GMT James G said:

(158)

17th September 1984:

Glenn and Bentsen weren’t the only senior Cabinet-level members of the US Government who had survived the Soviet attack. The Secretary of Commence was alive – he’d been on his way to Japan for an official visit and arrived there – while the Secretary of Education was located down in Louisiana. Both men were safe. So many more were missing, presumed dead. Kennedy had certainly been killed at the White House while Mondale and Bayh had been on their way to Andrews when the nuclear blasts had gone off above DC; there was no word on other Cabinet members. The Congressional leadership had been in the city as well along with the majority of senators and congressmen. One of the justices from the Supreme Court was confirmed to be alive and there was hope that another one (reported to have been on his way into Washington at the time) might be alive: the other seven were all gone. Heads of executive agencies of the federal government from the FBI, the CIA, FEMA, the Federal Reserve and so on were on the list of missing while their various headquarters buildings had been blown to bits. The decapitation of the top of the government wasn’t complete but it was pretty damn close to being so.

Bentsen arrived at Raven Rock and his focus was on military matters at a time like this. There was fighting at home and there was fighting overseas, a lot of both. Meanwhile, Glenn remained on Air Force One with the aircraft meeting a tanker sent by SAC when over Kentucky as the new president flew eastwards. He was heading for Wright-Patterson AFB in his native Ohio to change aircraft. There had been a desire for him to come further east to go to Mount Weather or to the Greenbriar facility where what members of Congress nationwide alive were supposed to head towards but Bentsen and the Joint Chiefs firmly suggested that that was a bad idea for the time being. The Soviets could make another nuclear strike. What they had said over the Hot-Line could just be a maskirovka. NORAD had run through all the data it had again and could see no sign of any missile tracks which had come in to destroy Kansas City and Offutt AFB. There was indication now that faint radar echoes off the Eastern Seaboard before Washington was obliterated could have been cruise missiles but even that was still unconfirmed: a couple of radar stations along the Atlantic coastline had gone off-line before the attack and they hadn’t been sending data then nor now to confirm that. In short, another nuclear attack could come with little or no warning. There might be some sort of pre-placed weapon near to either Mount Weather or the Greenbriar – that was the current thinking on Kansas City & Offutt – or a submarine lurking off the coast ready with cruise missiles to attack either should the Soviets find out Glenn reached either. There was so much unknown at the minute and a lot of concern. They had tried to kill him once and could easily have another go. For the time being, him being airborne remained a far better idea.

SAC had many of its bombers airborne and most of the ICBMs were on-line. There were submarines with Poseidon & Trident missiles at sea with which contact had been made even if that was patchy without the majority of the TACAMO aircraft. If the Soviets wanted to go a second round, the United States was able to do so. Glenn was in a position to order another strike against them though it would only be a retaliatory one. He had made that clear despite the urging of one of his ‘guests’, that congressman aboard Air Force One – who remained welded to the idea of effectively wiping the Soviet Union off the face of the earth – that the United States should finish what had begun with Leningrad and the Kartaly missile-field now that an invasion was underway. What was the point of having nuclear weapons if they couldn’t be used to defend one’s own soil from direct invasion? Glenn expressed his view that such a thing would mean the Soviets would do the same to America too and so wouldn’t order another strike, not even against Cuba when the congressman pushed for that as well. It just wasn’t going to happen, he wouldn’t do it.


From New York City, the deputy director of the FBI got in touch with Mount Weather first (he was at the FEMA regional office in Manhattan and Mount Weather was a FEMA site) and then was put in contact with the president when his call was relayed onwards. There had been several terrorist attacks in New York – the power to most of the Subway had been knocked out, the NYPD headquarters had been hit by a bomb blast, Gracie Mansion was on fire – and he was getting reports through the FBI field office that New York wasn’t alone in being struck like this: other cities had been hit by terrorists and/or commandos too. He was worried about when the news came to most of the public about the nuclear attack and also when it got dark too: there was going to be anarchy in many places. Mobilisation orders were going out everywhere to reserve and national guard units across the country but no one had told the American people what was really going on. The sirens had sounded nationwide and Glenn had made a short statement which had told people nothing of any substance. Rumours were spreading already. This was a dangerous situation. Why was the truth being hidden, he asked, when the best thing to do was to say what was going on, surely? Glenn told him of the need for the priority over military affairs at a time like this with information being held back. Respectfully, but firmly, the president was told that was the worst possible idea. There would come an immediate rally-around-the-flag effect with the truth, certainly bigger than anything seen before in American history. Of course, things could be left out when it came to the scale of the damage, yet the best thing to do now was to be honest of the overall situation. From what was being picked up infrequently in New York, media outlets were reporting snippets of wild stories and rumours across the South-West near where there was fighting. No one was controlling what they were saying.

Information control needed to be established. At the top of that needed to be the president. The radio broadcast relayed from Air Force One wouldn’t have been heard by everyone and it had sounded distorted from where it had been heard in New York. Get on television, Mister President, and address the American people!

Well another good update that raises a question, where ere Reagan and Bush.

Fmr. Gov. Reagan is in California and is of no significance. Congressman Bush is in my notes as one of the survivors (not in DC that day) of what will be a rump Congress.

[lordroel]

May 6, 2018 18:33:58 GMT James G said:

May 6, 2018 18:04:39 GMT lordroel said:

Well another good update that raises a question, where ere Reagan and Bush.

Fmr. Gov. Reagan is in California and is of no significance. Congressman Bush is in my notes as one of the survivors (not in DC that day) of what will be a rump Congress.

Thanks for the answer, so they will not become important in the near future.