Soviet/NATO invasion and nuclear targets across the world thread

[lordroel]

Mar 4, 2022 14:12:48 GMT oscssw said:

Feb 25, 2022 16:15:47 GMT miletus12 said:

Cute little "fact". US estimates then and now are that if the Russians launched first, about 35% of US retaliation would be destroyed. A minimum of 500 launcher systems had to survive to kill the Russians. I emphasize the word "kill", as it was assumed that the Russians, if they launched at all, would attempt CONUS annihilation without the fancy Kahn ladder rigamarole.   The JFK idea of measured response only works until the first nuclear weapon hits American home soil.    

Yup once the cold war Soviet and US nukes start to fly we would all screwed.  Despite what the movies portray, no way anyone will turn it off until the magazines are empty.

Maybe the cockroaches would prove smarter than we humans.

Mabey if we are lucky the Soviet Russian nukes are as bad as their tanks in Ukraine.

[oscssw]

Mar 4, 2022 14:14:27 GMT lordroel said:

Mar 4, 2022 14:12:48 GMT oscssw said:

Yup once the cold war Soviet and US nukes start to fly we would all screwed.  Despite what the movies portray, no way anyone will turn it off until the magazines are empty.

Maybe the cockroaches would prove smarter than we humans.

Mabey if we are lucky the Soviet Russian nukes are as bad as their tanks in Ukraine.

Amen to that my friend. 

Here is a little info on what the Russians are up against keeping those nukes viable.  It looks very expensive to me and we all know the Russians/soviet record when it comes to spending big bucks on maintenance.

  Stockpile Stewardship Program

This article is from the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Weapons and Complex Integration (WCI) Department

 wci.llnl.gov/science/stockpile-stewardship-program

[gillan1220]

Originally posted on the United States Armed Forces thread.

A spiel I made for The Cold War in the Philippines Facebook group.

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Did you know?

"Keep your friends close and your enemies, closer."

The U.S. removed China from the nuclear SIOP in 1982. The U.S. encouraged China to provide overflight rights to USAF strategic bombers during this period to "counter Soviet hegemony".

The U.S. and China were essentially quasi-allies.

Though it was not completely removed at this special courtship period.

A separate and smaller war plan was prepared for nuclear war with China. The Joint Chiefs of Staff published an update of the nuclear annex to the Joint Strategic Capabilities Plan (JSCP FY82-83). This annex (Annex C) ordered PACOM and SAC to prepare a Concept Plan (CONPLAN) for the employment of nuclear weapons against the “power projection capabilities” of China. As a result of the new guidance, the SIOP-6 war plan that went into effect on October 1, 1983, was a “major plan revision” that focused entirely on the Soviet Union. The plan contained four SSBN target packages for the Pacific Command: Two were “time-shared” with SSBNs operating in the Atlantic and Mediterranean under the command of Atlantic Command, and probably covered targets in the Soviet Union. The other two target packages were unique for the Pacific Command418 and probably covered targets in the Soviet Far East. Targets in China were covered by Strategic Reserve Force submarines when they were not on Hard Alert against the Soviet Union under SIOP as well as by bombers.

On the other hand, the DIA indicated that three of 80 DF-5 ICBMs were targeted to strike the continental United States at this period of the late 1980s.

The plan to conduct separate attack China was dropped by the Pentagon was dropped by the Pentagon in 1984, the same year when Chinese Premier Zhao Ziyang visited the United States.

It was only in 1992 when USSTRATCOM (successor of SAC) reincorporated China into its nuclear war plans.

Sources:
Tong Zhao (2020). How (and How Seriously) Does U.S. Missile Defense Threaten China? Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. carnegieendowment.org/2020/06/29/how-and-how-seriously-does-u.s.-missile-defense-threaten-china-pub-82122
Further Reading:
Kristensen, H.M., Norris, R.S., and McKenzie, M.G. (2006). Chinese Nuclear Forces and U.S. Nuclear War Planning. The Federation of American Scientists and the Natural Defense Counci

[lordroel]

So somebody on Twitter (X) found this SECRET MOD paper, now in the Archives wich sets out the likely targets for Soviet conventional attack on the UK in the event of war and the aircraft forces likely to be used for the attack.




A list of sites on the list - some of which are long gone, others remain relevant.

[gillan1220]

Mar 11, 2024 15:05:11 GMT lordroel said:

So somebody on Twitter (X) found this SECRET MOD paper, now in the Archives wich sets out the likely targets for Soviet conventional attack on the UK in the event of war and the aircraft forces likely to be used for the attack.




A list of sites on the list - some of which are long gone, others remain relevant.

Amazing how 90% of history is lost or hidden.

Now this will be useful for AH settings like 1983: Doomsday and Protect & Survive.

Can you send me the tweet of this?

[lordroel]

Mar 13, 2024 12:00:09 GMT gillan1220 said:

Mar 11, 2024 15:05:11 GMT lordroel said:

So somebody on Twitter (X) found this SECRET MOD paper, now in the Archives wich sets out the likely targets for Soviet conventional attack on the UK in the event of war and the aircraft forces likely to be used for the attack.




A list of sites on the list - some of which are long gone, others remain relevant.

Amazing how 90% of history is lost or hidden.

Now this will be useful for AH settings like 1983: Doomsday and Protect & Survive.

Can you send me the tweet of this?

Here you go.

[lordroel]

Sir Humphrey on Twitter (X) also posted to maps that are in the National Archives that show that in 1980s, when HMG briefly looked at an evacuation of all major UK cities in nuclear war, the scale of challenge and where people would go, in his post he says it was estimated 36 million would need to evacuate in under 7 days,