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Post by redrobin65 on Nov 28, 2019 4:42:33 GMT
New France survives longer
New France had never been a wildly successful colony. It was sparsely populated, had a terrible climate, and really couldn't compete properly with the British colonies to the south in economic or military concerns. Hell, many French people viewed being sent to New France as suicide, and few shed tears for it after it was lost to the British Empire in 1763. What if the colony hobbled along until the early 1800s? I was thinking that you would have to either have a different US independence movement or delay it altogether, as the 13 Colonies were quite anti-Catholic at the time and hated New France with a passion.
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Post by redrobin65 on Nov 28, 2019 5:06:55 GMT
No collapse
In 1984, the Progressive Conservatives under Brian Mulroney won the largest majority in Canadian history: 211 out of 282 seats and slightly over 50% of the vote. Nine years later, they were annihilated in an election, going from 156 seats to just two. What if this didn't happen? What if the PCs had a better result in '93? Given how unpopular they were, they have no chance of actually winning, but what if they had 30 or 40 seats? One interesting prerequisite for this to happen is for two parties to be weaker: the Reform Party and the Bloc Quebecois. Both were founded by ex-conservatives unhappy with the leadership of the PCs.
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Post by stevep on Nov 28, 2019 11:31:47 GMT
New France survives longer
New France had never been a wildly successful colony. It was sparsely populated, had a terrible climate, and really couldn't compete properly with the British colonies to the south in economic or military concerns. Hell, many French people viewed being sent to New France as suicide, and few shed tears for it after it was lost to the British Empire in 1763. What if the colony hobbled along until the early 1800s? I was thinking that you would have to either have a different US independence movement or delay it altogether, as the 13 Colonies were quite anti-Catholic at the time and hated New France with a passion.
Well according to some reports it nearly happened. Britain gave back a number of its gains after the success of the 7 Years War and there was a discussion over whether to return Canada to France or one of the French Caribbean Islands, checking Wiki it was Guadeloupe. The latter was much smaller but very wealth because of the sugar produced from the plantations there and some argued for retaining it instead of Canada.
I have seen it suggested that if that had happened, then its likely to at least delay the American revolution. If there is a continuing French presence in N America then the colonists are more likely to be willing to pay something to support their defence. With a stronger loyalist presence and a clear French threat you could see any revolutionary force possibly being defeated in the early days. How things would go after that I don't know.
If French Canada survived until a French revolution then it might possibly last a lot longer. It was socially very conservative and dominated by the clerics so it could well stay loyal to the Bourbon dynasty. In which case, while it might come under British protection, especially if/when the republican forces become powerful. Then quite probably returning to French rule when the Bourbons are returned.
This is likely to be a truncated Canada. Its likely to lose its southern territories, south of the Great Lakes, either in 1763 or ~1815 as British colonies would probably have moved into the region in strength, plus the Hudson's Bay Company will dominate the prairies and your likely to have British settlement of the British Columbia region. As such French Canada is likely to be largely the Quebec region and most/all of OTL Ontario plus probably parts of what's now the Maritime provinces without the expulsion of the Acadians and settlement of loyalists with a defeated American revolution.
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Post by redrobin65 on Dec 9, 2019 19:31:14 GMT
The Great Outbreak of 1938 (ASB Scenario)
I've always been intrigued by zombie media, which has led me to wonder: what would happen if there was a zombie outbreak in 1938 or 39? I have two scenarios in mind. The first is an outbreak in Germany due to a Nazi human experimentation operation going awry, and the second is in Manchuria due to a mishap by Unit 731.
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Post by James G on Dec 9, 2019 19:40:56 GMT
The Great Outbreak of 1938 (ASB Scenario) I've always been intrigued by zombie media, which has led me to wonder: what would happen if there was a zombie outbreak in 1938 or 39? I have two scenarios in mind. The first is an outbreak in Germany due to a Nazi human experimentation operation going awry, and the second is in Manchuria due to a mishap by Unit 731. Manchuria sounds better! Very good idea here too. |
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Post by redrobin65 on Dec 20, 2019 3:17:28 GMT
The German invasion of the USSR, while experiencing significant issues, proves more successful than OTL. The Germans take Leningrad, Stalingrad, and are moving down into the Caucuses by late '42. Additional advances in the center manage take back land lost in the winter of 1941. The Soviets are in major trouble here.
The Western Allies, seeing that the Soviets may collapse, are desperate to open a major second front. Introducing: Operation Overlord, 1942.
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Post by lordroel on Dec 20, 2019 3:19:11 GMT
The German invasion of the USSR, while experiencing significant issues, proves more successful than OTL. The Germans take Leningrad, Stalingrad, and are moving down into the Caucuses by late '42. Additional advances in the center manage take back land lost in the winter of 1941. The Soviets are in major trouble here. The Western Allies, seeing that the Soviets may collapse, are desperate to open a major second front. Introducing: Operation Overlord, 1942. Most likely to happen in Southern France, thus no Italian landings in 1943. |
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Post by James G on Dec 20, 2019 11:27:01 GMT
The German invasion of the USSR, while experiencing significant issues, proves more successful than OTL. The Germans take Leningrad, Stalingrad, and are moving down into the Caucuses by late '42. Additional advances in the center manage take back land lost in the winter of 1941. The Soviets are in major trouble here. The Western Allies, seeing that the Soviets may collapse, are desperate to open a major second front. Introducing: Operation Overlord, 1942. Overlord 42 faced a weaker defence as there were fewer German troops in the West and the Atlantic Wall isn't really there, but at the same time, they have few landing craft and not the experience yet of opposed landing operations. |
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Post by stevep on Dec 20, 2019 12:13:59 GMT
The German invasion of the USSR, while experiencing significant issues, proves more successful than OTL. The Germans take Leningrad, Stalingrad, and are moving down into the Caucuses by late '42. Additional advances in the center manage take back land lost in the winter of 1941. The Soviets are in major trouble here. The Western Allies, seeing that the Soviets may collapse, are desperate to open a major second front. Introducing: Operation Overlord, 1942. Overlord 42 faced a weaker defence as there were fewer German troops in the West and the Atlantic Wall isn't really there, but at the same time, they have few landing craft and not the experience yet of opposed landing operations.
Yes there are relatively few British troops, most without combat experience, no or virtually no Americans with zero combat experience in their case, very limited amphibious facilities or experience, a still powerful Luftwaffe and Britain still desperately fighting to secure control of the Atlantic - especially since vital air and naval forces would be switched from that battle to support the landings. The historically planned Operation_Sledgehammer was almost certainly to be a total disaster. It might even win the war for the Nazis as Britain would be in a bad position after such a defeat on top of everything else and the Soviets, if in such a disastrous position is then likely to collapse with less support available in 1943 onwards.
Such a landing would have to be in N France and probably in the Breton peninsula as that would be the only location there would be a chance of holding on during the winter if somehow a secure lodgement was achieved. Going into S France would leave the landings very exposed as forces operating from Italy as well as S France could attack the supporting forces and supply line. You could lose a hell of a lot of ships there, both military and merchant as well as the manpower and any landed forces as their isolated and starved out.
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Post by forcon on Feb 9, 2020 22:32:20 GMT
War in the Carribean:
After Britain establishes a base in Guyana in the near future, a collapsing Venezuela invades the country, trying to avert a revolution against the government. The display of nationalism works: the British garrison, a reinforced infantry battlegroup, fights hard but is encircled and, after several days, surrenders after running out of ammunition.
The British government sends a task force to liberate Guyana, with American logistical and diplomatic support. The political ramifications of an infantry battalion surrendering on television is huge, but the captives recieve large amounts of public support while POWs in Venezuela.
The small British force faces an uphill battle in the enemy's backyard...
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Post by stevep on Feb 10, 2020 15:53:04 GMT
War in the Carribean: After Britain establishes a base in Guyana in the near future, a collapsing Venezuela invades the country, trying to avert a revolution against the government. The display of nationalism works: the British garrison, a reinforced infantry battlegroup, fights hard but is encircled and, after several days, surrenders after running out of ammunition. The British government sends a task force to liberate Guyana, with American logistical and diplomatic support. The political ramifications of an infantry battalion surrendering on television is huge, but the captives recieve large amounts of public support while POWs in Venezuela. The small British force faces an uphill battle in the enemy's backyard...
Do we have anything like the forces to do this now, especially at sea? Might well get assistance from some of the other Caribbean states that feel threatened by the Venezuelan action but don't think the fleet is anything like powerful enough to support opposed landings to liberate Guyana.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 10, 2020 16:01:21 GMT
War in the Carribean: After Britain establishes a base in Guyana in the near future, a collapsing Venezuela invades the country, trying to avert a revolution against the government. No invasion of the Netherlands possession, because i would love to see a joint United Kingdom/Netherlands Amphibious Force (UK/NL AF) in action. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 10, 2020 16:14:00 GMT
War in the Carribean: After Britain establishes a base in Guyana in the near future, a collapsing Venezuela invades the country, trying to avert a revolution against the government. No invasion of the Netherlands possession, because i would love to see a joint United Kingdom/Netherlands Amphibious Force (UK/NL AF) in action.
Now that would be interesting I agree.
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Post by lordroel on Feb 10, 2020 16:15:30 GMT
No invasion of the Netherlands possession, because i would love to see a joint United Kingdom/Netherlands Amphibious Force (UK/NL AF) in action. Now that would be interesting I agree.
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Post by forcon on Feb 10, 2020 18:03:32 GMT
War in the Carribean: After Britain establishes a base in Guyana in the near future, a collapsing Venezuela invades the country, trying to avert a revolution against the government. The display of nationalism works: the British garrison, a reinforced infantry battlegroup, fights hard but is encircled and, after several days, surrenders after running out of ammunition. The British government sends a task force to liberate Guyana, with American logistical and diplomatic support. The political ramifications of an infantry battalion surrendering on television is huge, but the captives recieve large amounts of public support while POWs in Venezuela. The small British force faces an uphill battle in the enemy's backyard...
Do we have anything like the forces to do this now, especially at sea? Might well get assistance from some of the other Caribbean states that feel threatened by the Venezuelan action but don't think the fleet is anything like powerful enough to support opposed landings to liberate Guyana.
I was thinking British bases in the Caribbean islands could be used to do things by air; a marine landing in one location, preferably an undefended one, plus the Paras landing in Georgetown and taking the airport, allowing for more light-role infantry battalions to be brought in. No invasion of the Netherlands possession, because i would love to see a joint United Kingdom/Netherlands Amphibious Force (UK/NL AF) in action. Now that would really be interesting... |
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