James G
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Post by James G on Apr 28, 2018 21:40:10 GMT
How can Yugoslavia stay together instead of collapsing post 1990?
Does the country need a strongman to keep it together forcefully? Or would more democracy with a real and honest federal structure be able to keep the nation as one?
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stevep
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Post by stevep on Apr 29, 2018 8:28:37 GMT
How can Yugoslavia stay together instead of collapsing post 1990? Does the country need a strongman to keep it together forcefully? Or would more democracy with a real and honest federal structure be able to keep the nation as one? Real democracy might do it but there are a lot of long lasting mistrusts and hatreds, in some cases going back several centuries. Also it was virtually always a state held together by force. After WWI the northern states, especially Croatia were distrustful of Serb/Orthodox domination and it became increasingly autocratic during the 30's especially. This helped in its relatively easy conquest by the Nazis as a number of groups were eager to leave. This was followed by the founding of a fascist led Croat state that persecuted other groups, especially the Serbs under their rule. After Tito assumed power the Serbs were kept down although not brutally persecuted and there was a level of stability but this and the lack of democracy probably played a factor in it all coming apart after his death. Was rather surprised that Slovenia managed to leave without bloodshed but unfortunately not too much by the violence that followed, although by the level of it.  |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 29, 2018 10:24:13 GMT
How can Yugoslavia stay together instead of collapsing post 1990? Does the country need a strongman to keep it together forcefully? Or would more democracy with a real and honest federal structure be able to keep the nation as one? |
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stevep
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Post by stevep on Apr 29, 2018 22:31:55 GMT
How can Yugoslavia stay together instead of collapsing post 1990? Does the country need a strongman to keep it together forcefully? Or would more democracy with a real and honest federal structure be able to keep the nation as one? Interesting and depressing. Its quite true that Yugoslavia was some way in advance of the other communist countries, in large part because of Tito managing to keep it out oF Soviet control. It was still autocratic but not as out-rightly xenophobic as the WP powers were and there was a lot of connections both to the west and also the Non-Aligned Movement. Possibly if Tito hadn't panicked on the student revolts in western Europe in the late 60's and had allowed more reforms then allowed more say for people as a whole it might have worked. A Yugoslavia that held together and stayed prosperous, at least compared to the rest of eastern Europe could have been a big advantage, both for itself and the Balkan region in general rather than the disaster it became. |
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Post by dayton3 on May 13, 2018 1:58:55 GMT
Depends. Can Tito live until he's 200 years old?
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Post by jasonsnow on May 13, 2018 4:08:49 GMT
So I'm not the brightest here, but I'm sure it had to do with ethnic division. Croats and Serbs and Slovakians and Bosnians and Bosniaks, not to mention the religious difference between Orthodox, Catholic and Muslim individuals, all tied together in an uneven broth just waiting to boil into disaster. Tito's death marked the collapse of Yugoslavia, since he was the only one capable and keeping things together. All those ethnicities were just waiting to hit each other.
Can you believe the whole Yugoslavia deal lasted from 1910-ish, with the creation of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia until 2006, with the official separation of Serbia and Montenegro and the establishment of Serbia proper? Not even the USSR lasted that long.
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