Random ORBATs!

[lordroel]

Oct 14, 2020 19:00:12 GMT James G said:

Oct 14, 2020 18:41:46 GMT lordroel said:

That is a powerful RAF force.

To be honest, it is only a tiny bit larger than as it was in OTL Jan 1st 1990.
The RAF here has no Tornado IDS': instead it operates F-111Fs. The Tornado ADV doesn't exist and instead the RAF has F-15 Eagles.
The biggest upgrade in striking power are the two squadrons of B-1B Lancers. Costly and rolled for cruise missile strikes though retaining bombing capability.
Otherwise, I've just taken what the RAF had in OTL and changed it here to accommodate that. Additionally, the RAF has many more AWACS aircraft, part replacing the joint NATO fleet.

Would the Tempest GR1 be the same as the General Dynamics F-111K

[stevep]

Oct 14, 2020 18:21:33 GMT James G said:

ROYAL AIR FORCE 1990


RAF STRIKE COMMAND


No. 1 Group

RAF Aldergrove (Northern Ireland)
No. 72 Squadron, RAF – 6no Wessex HC2 medium transport helicopters

RAF Benson (Southern England)
No. 115 Squadron, RAF – 7no Andover E3 & E3A radio/navigation support aircraft

RAF Brize Norton (Southern England)
No. 10 Squadron, RAF – 13no Vickers VC10 C1 strategic airlift aircraft
No. 101 Squadron, RAF – 9no Vickers VC10 K2 & K3 airborne refuelling aircraft
No. 216 Squadron, RAF – 9no TriStar K1 & KC1 strategic airlift/air refuelling aircraft

RAF Coltishall (Eastern England)
No. 6 Squadron, RAF – 16no Jaguar GR1 tactical strike aircraft
No. 41 Squadron, RAF – 16no Jaguar GR1A tactical strike/reconnaissance aircraft
No. 54 Squadron, RAF – 16no Jaguar GR1 tactical strike aircraft

RAF Honington (Eastern England)
No. 45 Squadron, RAF – 21no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft
{45 Squadron is the war designation for the Tempest weapons conversion unit}
{The Tempest GR1 is the F-111F in RAF service}

RAF Lyneham (Southern England)
No. 24 Squadron, RAF – 12no Hercules C1 & C3 tactical airlift aircraft
No. 30 Squadron, RAF – 12no Hercules C1 & C3 tactical airlift aircraft
No. 47 Squadron, RAF – 12no Hercules C1 & C3 tactical airlift aircraft
No. 70 Squadron, RAF – 12no Hercules C1 & C3 tactical airlift aircraft

RAF Marham (Eastern England)
No. 27 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft
No. 55 Squadron, RAF – 13no Victor K2 airborne refuelling aircraft
No. 617 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft

RAF Odiham (Southern England)
No. 7 Squadron, RAF – 12no Chinook HC1 assault transport helicopters
No. 33 Squadron, RAF – 12no Puma HC1 medium transport helicopters

RAF Waddington (Eastern England)
No. 13 Squadron, RAF – 8no Lancer B1 strategic bombers/missile carriers
No. 50 Squadron, RAF – 8no Lancer B1 strategic bombers/missile carriers
{The Lancer B1 is the B-1B in RAF service}

RAF Wittering (Eastern England)
No. 1 Squadron, RAF – 16no Harrier GR5 tactical strike aircraft


No. 11 Group

RAF Coningsby (Eastern England)
No. 5 Squadron, RAF – 15no Eagle F2 fighters/interceptors
No. 29 Squadron, RAF – 15no Eagle F2 fighters/interceptors
No. 65 Squadron, RAF – 19no Eagle F2 & F3 fighters/interceptors
{65 Squadron is the war designation for the Eagle weapons conversion unit}
{The Eagle F2 is the F-15A in RAF service}

RAF Leeming (Northern England)
No. 11 Squadron, RAF – 15no Eagle F2 fighters/interceptors
No. 23 Squadron, RAF – 15no Eagle F2 fighters/interceptors
No. 25 Squadron, RAF – 12no Eagle F3 fighters/interceptors
{The Eagle F3 is the F-15C in RAF service}

RAF Leuchars (Scotland)
No. 43 Squadron, RAF – 15no Eagle F2 fighters/interceptors
No. 111 Squadron, RAF – 15no Eagle F2 fighters/interceptors

RAF Wattisham (Eastern England)
No. 56 Squadron, RAF – 15no Phantom FGR2 fighters/interceptors


No. 18 Group

RAF Kinloss (Scotland)
No. 120 Squadron, RAF – 8no Nimrod MR2 maritime patrol/attack aircraft
No. 201 Squadron, RAF – 8no Nimrod MR2 maritime patrol/attack aircraft
No. 206 Squadron, RAF – 8no Nimrod MR2 maritime patrol/attack aircraft

RAF Lossiemouth (Scotland)
No. 8 Squadron, RAF – 6no Sentry AEW1 airborne radar/control aircraft
{The Sentry AEW1 is the E-3B in RAF service}
No. 12 Squadron, RAF – 16no Buccaneer S2 maritime strike aircraft
No. 208 Squadron, RAF – 16no Buccaneer S2 maritime strike aircraft

RAF St. Mawgan (Western England)
No. 42 Squadron, RAF – 6no Nimrod MR2 maritime patrol/attack aircraft

RAF Wyton (Eastern England)
No. 51 Squadron, RAF – 5no Nimrod R1 electronic interception/support aircraft
No. 360 Squadron, RAF – 10no Canberra T17 electronic countermeasures aircraft




RAF GERMANY


No. 2 Group

RAF Bruggen (West Germany)
No. 9 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft
No. 14 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft
No. 17 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft
No. 31 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft

Geilenkirchen Air Base (West Germany)
No. 96 Squadron, RAF – 6no Sentry AEW1 airborne radar/control aircraft

RAF Gutersloh (West Germany)
No. 3 Squadron, RAF – 16no Harrier GR7 tactical strike aircraft
No. 4 Squadron, RAF – 16no Harrier GR5 tactical strike aircraft
No. 18 Squadron, RAF – 18no Chinook HC1 assault transport helicopters
No. 230 Squadron, RAF – 15no Puma HC1 medium transport helicopters

RAF Laarbruch (West Germany)
No. 2 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1A strike/reconnaissance aircraft
No. 15 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft
No. 16 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft
No. 20 Squadron, RAF – 12no Tempest GR1 strike aircraft

RAF Wildenrath (West Germany)
No. 19 Squadron, RAF – 15no Phantom FGR2 fighters/interceptors
No. 92 Squadron, RAF – 15no Phantom FGR2 fighters/interceptors

  James

  So basically instead of going along the route of joint construction with the continent we're buying direct from the US?  Or is there some offset from the states and/or local construction?  Otherwise what is happening with British design & construction capacity?  Are RR and BAe as I think it was then out of the defence market?  Buying from the US will be cheaper in initial purchase terms, especially considering the problems of an international collaboration project but I fear there would be a huge drop in home capacity which would be more expensive in the longer term.

  Using the Lancer as a cruise launcher is probably the best use as with such small numbers of so expensive a/c Britain can't really afford to lose too many.  The F-15 is also going to be very formidable if the electronic and other stuff are kept up to date and it does give greater commonality with the US for spares and the like.  Plus it sounds like we haven't made the disastrous attempt to convert Nimrod hulls into AWAC a/c which was such an expensive mess OTL.

  Steve

[lordroel]

Tried my best to find a F-15 in RAF colors, this is the closest thing i could find of a F-15 as flown by the RAF.

[James G]

Oct 14, 2020 19:07:14 GMT lordroel said:

Oct 14, 2020 19:00:12 GMT James G said:

To be honest, it is only a tiny bit larger than as it was in OTL Jan 1st 1990.
The RAF here has no Tornado IDS': instead it operates F-111Fs. The Tornado ADV doesn't exist and instead the RAF has F-15 Eagles.
The biggest upgrade in striking power are the two squadrons of B-1B Lancers. Costly and rolled for cruise missile strikes though retaining bombing capability.
Otherwise, I've just taken what the RAF had in OTL and changed it here to accommodate that. Additionally, the RAF has many more AWACS aircraft, part replacing the joint NATO fleet.

Would the Tempest GR1 be the same as the General Dynamics F-111K

Pretty much that, yes.

Oct 15, 2020 10:54:20 GMT stevep said:

  James

  So basically instead of going along the route of joint construction with the continent we're buying direct from the US?  Or is there some offset from the states and/or local construction?  Otherwise what is happening with British design & construction capacity?  Are RR and BAe as I think it was then out of the defence market?  Buying from the US will be cheaper in initial purchase terms, especially considering the problems of an international collaboration project but I fear there would be a huge drop in home capacity which would be more expensive in the longer term.

  Using the Lancer as a cruise launcher is probably the best use as with such small numbers of so expensive a/c Britain can't really afford to lose too many.  The F-15 is also going to be very formidable if the electronic and other stuff are kept up to date and it does give greater commonality with the US for spares and the like.  Plus it sounds like we haven't made the disastrous attempt to convert Nimrod hulls into AWAC a/c which was such an expensive mess OTL.

  Steve

Somewhere in the mid / late 70s, the decision comes to not buy European and go with American products. Let us say British Aerospace and Rolls Royce have some manufacturing input but the RAF is being outfitted with American gear. You're right on the initial costs and thus long-term implications.
I've long liked the idea of a RAF Lancer... maybe it has an anti-ship capability with Harpoons like the USAF did with its B-52s? The F-15s would be able to do fighter as well as interceptor roles which while good in many ways, wouldn't be the OTL RAF requirement. With the AWACS, I had the OTL buy by NATO not take place and so the RAF operates them, maybe the West Germans might too: so no Nimrod debacle.

[simon darkshade]

If the RAF gets a strategic bomber after the V-Force, it would need to be primarily focused on nuclear weapons and strategic deterrence. There simply isn't the need for a very long range heavy conventional bomber, particularly when F-111s fill that role quite nicely.

16 bombers is a very small force to boot, but with a decent ALCM load out could deliver 200+ warheads. However, such a change to the size of the British nuclear arsenal, its deployment and make-up would have extremely wide ranging implications. The Soviets would definitely push for British inclusion in strategic arms limitations to counteract it, at a minimum. The cost would be considerable.

This leads into the broader question of: Why? What targets need to be hit that require the range of an intercontinental bomber that can't be covered with Trident? To get RAF strategic bombers in the 1980s, you'd need to change a lot of politics and doctrine going back to the early 1960s, if not beforehand. The requirements that lead to the Medium Bomber Force of the late 50s and early 60s were covered by SLBMs, eventually.

[gillan1220]

I always wondered what if the RAF operated the F-16 and F/A-18? What changes would occur to the British Armed Forces?

[stevep]

Oct 16, 2020 1:29:20 GMT simon darkshade said:

If the RAF gets a strategic bomber after the V-Force, it would need to be primarily focused on nuclear weapons and strategic deterrence. There simply isn't the need for a very long range heavy conventional bomber, particularly when F-111s fill that role quite nicely.

16 bombers is a very small force to boot, but with a decent ALCM load out could deliver 200+ warheads. However, such a change to the size of the British nuclear arsenal, its deployment and make-up would have extremely wide ranging implications. The Soviets would definitely push for British inclusion in strategic arms limitations to counteract it, at a minimum. The cost would be considerable.

This leads into the broader question of: Why? What targets need to be hit that require the range of an intercontinental bomber that can't be covered with Trident? To get RAF strategic bombers in the 1980s, you'd need to change a lot of politics and doctrine going back to the early 1960s, if not beforehand. The requirements that lead to the Medium Bomber Force of the late 50s and early 60s were covered by SLBMs, eventually.

  I would say your summed up the reasons why such a facility, i.e. a Lancer force, would not be used for a nuclear mission.  That would be very expensive economically and politically, especially internally.  Do you remember how many CND [Campaign for Nuclear Destruction] fanatics opposed replacing Polaris because they preferred increasing the chance of nuclear war to Britain having a deterrent!  There would be even more in this scenario and anyone near the Lancer base would realise their an high priority target for a Soviet 1st strike as well.

  The Soviets would also seek to make political capital of such a move as you suggest.  Another ~200 British nuclear weapons would be relatively minor compared to the superpower arsenals but that wouldn't stop Moscow trying to win points.

[simon darkshade]

And without a nuclear mission, there is absolutely no way they would be contemplated, let alone afforded.

I know that the general tendency these days is to view B-52s and B-1s as wonderful conventional bomb trucks that can also launch conventional cruise missiles from halfway around the world, but that wasn't their primary purpose. They were nuclear platforms, which comes through in so much of the literature and political discussions of the 1970s and 1980s; some of the B-52s were talked about in conventional roles for the JRDTF/Centcom, but certainly not the B-1s. Indeed, the Lancers didn't see service in Desert Storm on account of that reason, among others. The use of the heavy bomber as a conventional platform was a superpower luxury.

[forcon]

A Conscripted British Army ORBAT - this is pretty much ASB, but if the political will to institute conscription where there, this is what it might look like.

British Second Army

1st Military Intelligence Brigade
• 220th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 3rd Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps (V)
• 5th Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps (V)
• 6th Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps (V)
• 7th Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps (V)

1st Medical Brigade
• 217th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 201st Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 203rd Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 205th Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 208th Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 217th Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 243rd Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)

4th Signals Group
• 13th Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals (Cyber Warfare)
• 14th Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals (Electronic Warfare)
• 21st Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals (Air Support)

8th Engineer Brigade
• 222nd Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 5th Theatre Support Battalion, Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers
• 11th EOD Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 33rd EOD Regiment, Royal Engineers
• 62nd Works Group, Royal Engineers
• 63rd Works Group, Royal Engineers
• 65th Works Group, Royal Engineers (V)
• 66th Works Group, Royal Engineers (Air Support)
• 101st EOD Regiment, Royal Engineers (V)

104th Logistics Brigade
• 2nd Logistics Support Group, Royal Logistics Corps
• 17th Port & Maritime Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 29th Postal Courier & Movement Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 162nd Postal Courier & Movement Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)
• 165th Port & Maritime Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)
• 167th Catering Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)

2nd Infantry Division
• 2nd Infantry Division Headquarters & Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 72nd Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (V)
• The Royal Wessex Yeomanry (66x Scimitar) (V)
15th Infantry Brigade 48th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals (V)
• The Queen’s Own Yeomanry (66x Scimitar) (V)
• 1st Battalion, The Yorkshire Volunteers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 2nd Battalion, The Yorkshire Volunteers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 6th Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 7th Battalion, The Light Infantry (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 103rd Field Squadron, Royal Engineers (V)
• 103rd Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x L118) (V)
49th Infantry Brigade
• 68th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals (V)
• The Royal Yeomanry (66x Scimitar) (V)
• 3rd Battalion, The Staffordshire Regiment (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 5th Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 5th Battalion, The Light Infantry (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 6th Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 106th Field Squadron, Royal Engineers (V)
• 104th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x L118) (V)
52nd Infantry Brigade
• 52nd Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals (V)
• The Scottish & North Irish Yeomanry (66x Scimitar) (V)
• 1st Battalion, The 52nd Lowland Volunteers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 1st Battalion, The 51st Highland Volunteers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 2nd Battalion, The 52nd Lowland Volunteers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 3rd Battalion, The 51st Highland Volunteers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 299th Field Squadron, Royal Engineers (V)
• 105th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x L118) (V)

I British Corps

Corps Patrol Force
• 267th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The Honourable Artillery Company (V)
• 1st Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
• 23rd SAS Regiment (V)
• 30th Regiment, Royal Artillery (UAS)

1st Artillery Brigade
• 255th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals (V)
• 17th Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery (18x M270)
• 32nd Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery (18x M270)
• 102nd Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery (18x M270) (V)

1st Aviation Brigade
• 276th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 1st Aviation Regiment, Army Air Corps (24x Apache Ah.1 & 12x Wildcat Ah.1)
• 2nd Aviation Regiment, Army Air Corps (24x Apache Ah.1 & 12x Wildcat Ah.1)
• 5th Aviation Regiment, Army Air Corps (24x Apache Ah.1 & 12x Wildcat Ah.1)
• 6th Ground Support Regiment, Army Air Corps (V)

2nd Medical Brigade
• 83rd Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals (V)
• 1st Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
• 4th Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
• 5th Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
• 204th Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 212th Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 219th Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)

7th Air Defence Group
• 12th Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (48x Starstreak HVM)
• 18th Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (48x Starstreak HVM)
• 100th Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (48x Rapier) (V)

11th Signals Brigade
• 7th Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 22nd Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 31st Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals (V)

25th Engineer Group
• 225th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 1st Armoured Battalion, Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers
• 4th Armoured Battalion, Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers
• 5th Armoured Battalion, Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers
• 39th Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
• 71st Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (V)
• 75th Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (V)

102nd Logistics Brigade
• 262nd Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 1st Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 3rd Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 6th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 150th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)
• 156th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)
• 158th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)

1st Armoured Division
• 1st Armoured Division Headquarters & Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 1st Armoured Division Transport Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 32nd Armoured Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
• The 9/12th Royal Lancers (66x Scimitar)
7th Armoured Brigade
• 207th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The Royal Scots Dragoon Guards (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Black Watch (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Irish Guards (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Light Infantry (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 25th Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 3rd Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (24x AS90)
12th Armoured Brigade
• 212th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 3rd Royal Tank Regiment (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Queen’s Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Duke of Wellington’s Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 26th Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 4th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
20th Armoured Brigade
• 200th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The Blues & Royals (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Cheshire Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Queen’s Own Highlanders (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 3rd Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 73rd Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 40th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)

4th Armoured Division
• 4th Armoured Division Headquarters & Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 4th Armoured Division Transport Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 35th Armoured Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
• The Queen’s Own Hussars (66x Scimitar)
9th Armoured Brigade
• 219th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 8th Royal Tank Regiment (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Highland Fusiliers (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Light Infantry (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 15th Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 36th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
19th Mechanised Brigade
• 219th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards (44x Challenger 2, 22x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Staffordshire Regiment (50x Mastiff, 8x Scimitar, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment (50x Mastiff, 8x Scimitar, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Royal Irish Regiment (50x Mastiff, 8x Scimitar, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 16th Armoured Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 45th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
22nd Armoured Brigade
• 202nd Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 12th Royal Tank Regiment (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Queen’s Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Royal Welch Fusiliers (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 3rd Battalion, The Light Infantry (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Armoured Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 26th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)

5th Mechanised Division
• 5th Infantry Division Headquarters & Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 5th Infantry Division Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 38th Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
1st Mechanised Brigade
• 201st Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 6th Royal Tank Regiment (44x Challenger 2, 22x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, Royal Welch Fusiliers (50x Mastiff, 8x Scimitar, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The King’s Own Royal Border Regiment (50x Mastiff, 8x Scimitar, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Wessex Regiment (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar) (V)
• 30th Field Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 14th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
8th Mechanised Brigade
• 208th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 13th/18th Royal Hussars (44x Challenger 2, 22x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The King’s Regiment (50x Mastiff, 8x Scimitar, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Irish Rangers (50x Mastiff, 8x Scimitar, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (50x Mastiff, 8x Scimitar, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 14th Field Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 29th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
24th Airmobile Brigade
• 210th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 1st Battalion, The Green Howards (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Worcestershire & Sherwood Foresters (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Queen’s Lancashire Regiment (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Royal Irish Rangers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 51st Airmobile Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 27th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x L118)

II British Corps

Corps Patrol Force
• 63rd SAS Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals (V)
• 2nd Military Intelligence Battalion, Intelligence Corps
• 21st (Artists Rifles) SAS Regiment (V)
• 47th Regiment, Royal Artillery (UAS)

2nd Artillery Brigade
• 230th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 5th Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery (18x M270)
• 39th Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery (18x M270)
• 101st Heavy Regiment, Royal Artillery (18x M270) (V)
• 2nd Artillery Support Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps

2nd Aviation Brigade
• 261st Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 3rd Aviation Regiment, Army Air Corps (24x Apache Ah.1 & 12x Wildcat Ah.1)
• 4th Aviation Regiment, Army Air Corps (24x Apache Ah.1 & 12x Wildcat Ah.1)
• 7th Ground Support Regiment, Army Air Corps (V)
• 9th Aviation Regiment, Army Air Corps (24x Apache Ah.1 & 12x Wildcat Ah.1)

3rd Medical Group
• 3rd Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
• 6th Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
• 7th Armoured Medical Regiment, Royal Army Medical Corps
• 202nd Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 211th Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)
• 256th Field Hospital, Royal Army Medical Corps (V)

4th Air Defence Group
• 10th Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (48x Starstreak HVM)
• 22nd Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (48x Rapier)
• 106th Air Defence Regiment, Royal Artillery (48x Starstreak HVM)

12th Signals Brigade
• 16th Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 18th Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 71st Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals (V)

29th Engineer Brigade
• 267th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 3rd Armoured Battalion, Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers
• 6th Armoured Battalion, Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers
• 10th Armoured Battalion, Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers
• 73rd Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers (V)
• 101st Force Support Battalion, Royal Electrical & Mechanical Engineers (V)

101st Logistics Brigade
• 265th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 4th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 9th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 27th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 154th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)
• 156th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)
• 157th Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps (V)

3rd Armoured Division
• 3rd Armoured Division Headquarters & Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 3rd Armoured Division Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 26th Armoured Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
• The Royal Hussars (66x Scimitar)
4th Armoured Brigade (1x Type 58 armoured regiment, 3x armoured infantry battalions)
• 204th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 2nd Royal Tank Regiment (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Scots Guards (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Devonshire & Dorset Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 37th Armoured Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 1st Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (24x AS90)
6th Armoured Brigade (1x Type 58 armoured regiment, 2x armoured infantry battalions, 1x light role infantry battalion)
• 206th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 14th/20th King’s Hussars (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Wales (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Queen’s Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The King’s Own Scottish Borderers (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 31st Armoured Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 2nd Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
33rd Armoured Brigade
• 202nd Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 1st Royal Tank Regiment (44x Challenger 2, 22x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• The Light Dragoons (44x Challenger 2, 22x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Prince of Wales’ Own Regiment of Yorkshire (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 17th Armoured Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 49th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)

6th Airmobile Division
• 6th Airmobile Division Headquarters & Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 6th Airmobile Division Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 16th Airmobile Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
5th Airborne Brigade
• 216th Parachute Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The Life Guards (66x Scimitar)
• 1st Battalion, 7th Duke of Edinburgh’s Own Gurkha Rifles (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 3rd Battalion, The Parachute Regiment (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 23rd Parachute Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
• 7th Parachute Regiment, Royal Horse Artillery (18x L118)
29th Light Brigade
• 229th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 1st Battalion, The Queen’s Lancashire Regiment (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Welch Fusiliers (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Coldstream Guards (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Queen’s Regiment (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 54th Light Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 8th Regiment, Royal Artillery (18x L118)
48th Gurkha Brigade
• 247th Gurkha Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 1st Battalion, 6th Queen Elizabeth’s Own Gurkha Rifles (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Scots (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The 10th Princess Mary’s Own Gurkha Rifles (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, 2nd King Edward 7th’s Own Gurkha Rifles (12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 65th Gurkha Field Squadron, Royal Engineers
• Queen’s Own Gurkha Artillery Regiment, Royal Artillery (18x L118)

7th Armoured Division
• 7th Armoured Division Headquarters & Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 7th Armoured Division Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 27th Armoured Engineer Regiment, Royal Engineers
• 1st The Queen’s Dragoon Guards (66x Scimitar)
11th Armoured Brigade
• 211th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• 4th Royal Tank Regiment (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Grenadier Guards (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Gloucestershire Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Hampshire Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 8th Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 19th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
14th Armoured Brigade
• 214th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 17th/21st Lancers (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Welsh Guards (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Duke of Edinburgh’s Royal Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 3rd Battalion, The Royal Regiment of Fusiliers (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 77th Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 6th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
27th Armoured Brigade
• 227th Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The Queen’s Royal Irish Hussars (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• The 4th/7th Royal Dragoon Guards (44x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Irish Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 1st Battalion, The Gordon Highlanders (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 65th Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 21st Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)

11th Armoured Division
• 11th Armoured Division Headquarters & Signals Regiment, Royal Corps of Signals
• 11th Armoured Division Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• 10th Queen’s Own Gurkha Logistics Regiment, Royal Logistics Corps
• The 16th/5th Queen’s Royal Lancers (66x Scimitar)
3rd Armoured Brigade
• 203rd Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 15th/19th King’s Royal Hussars (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The Royal Green Jackets (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Devonshire & Dorset Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 3rd Battalion, The Royal Anglian Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 40th Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 15th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
21st Armoured Brigade
• 221st Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 5th Royal Tank Regiment (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 2nd Battalion, The Cheshire Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 2nd Battalion, The Duke of Wellington’s Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 3rd Battalion, The Grenadier Guards (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 55th Armoured Engineer Squadron, Royal Engineers
• 20th Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)
32nd Armoured Brigade
• 232nd Signals Squadron, Royal Corps of Signals
• The 7th Royal Tank Regiment (58x Challenger 2, 8x Scimitar & 4x CHARRV)
• 1st Battalion, The King’s Own Royal Border Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 3rd Battalion, The Green Howards (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 3rd Battalion, The Royal Irish Regiment (57x Warrior, 8x Scimitar, 21x FV432, 12x Javelin ATGM & 6x 81mm mortar)
• 43rd Regiment, Royal Artillery (24x AS90)

[forcon]

I also have an ORBAT for a Second Korean War TL coming up.

On top of US & ROK forces, I have an Australian brigade with a New Zealand battlegroup attached, a Thai infantry division with a Malaysian airborne brigade attached, a British armoured infantry brigade reinforced by the Gurkha battalion in Brunei, Singaporean armoured brigade, and an engineer unit & a special forces contingent from Poland. Any other likely candidates to send forces? Japan is off of the table for ground forces obviously, but naval and air units (strictly based in Japan and not on ROK soil) are also involved.

[lordroel]

Oct 16, 2020 20:20:54 GMT forcon said:

I also have an ORBAT for a Second Korean War TL coming up.

I have an Australian brigade with a New Zealand battlegroup attached,

A new ANZAC force.

[James G]

Oct 16, 2020 20:20:54 GMT forcon said:

I also have an ORBAT for a Second Korean War TL coming up.

On top of US & ROK forces, I have an Australian brigade with a New Zealand battlegroup attached, a Thai infantry division with a Malaysian airborne brigade attached, a British armoured infantry brigade reinforced by the Gurkha battalion in Brunei, Singaporean armoured brigade, and an engineer unit & a special forces contingent from Poland. Any other likely candidates to send forces? Japan is off of the table for ground forces obviously, but naval and air units (strictly based in Japan and not on ROK soil) are also involved.

Good choices there for selected countries.
Canada would be likely too and maybe France as well: both have global reach and wouldn't want to see South Korea lost.

[gillan1220]

Oct 16, 2020 20:20:54 GMT forcon said:

I also have an ORBAT for a Second Korean War TL coming up.

On top of US & ROK forces, I have an Australian brigade with a New Zealand battlegroup attached, a Thai infantry division with a Malaysian airborne brigade attached, a British armoured infantry brigade reinforced by the Gurkha battalion in Brunei, Singaporean armoured brigade, and an engineer unit & a special forces contingent from Poland. Any other likely candidates to send forces? Japan is off of the table for ground forces obviously, but naval and air units (strictly based in Japan and not on ROK soil) are also involved.

Maybe the Philippines would join too and Japan would take a defensive stance.

[forcon]

Oct 17, 2020 5:22:00 GMT gillan1220 said:

Oct 16, 2020 20:20:54 GMT forcon said:

I also have an ORBAT for a Second Korean War TL coming up.

On top of US & ROK forces, I have an Australian brigade with a New Zealand battlegroup attached, a Thai infantry division with a Malaysian airborne brigade attached, a British armoured infantry brigade reinforced by the Gurkha battalion in Brunei, Singaporean armoured brigade, and an engineer unit & a special forces contingent from Poland. Any other likely candidates to send forces? Japan is off of the table for ground forces obviously, but naval and air units (strictly based in Japan and not on ROK soil) are also involved.

Maybe the Philippines would join too and Japan would take a defensive stance.

Yup, I'll be adding the Philippines to the list. 

[gillan1220]

Oct 17, 2020 10:18:36 GMT forcon said:

Oct 17, 2020 5:22:00 GMT gillan1220 said:

Maybe the Philippines would join too and Japan would take a defensive stance.

Yup, I'll be adding the Philippines to the list. 

What period is this set in? If modern day, then the Philippines has two Tarlac-class SSVs and one Jose Rizal-class frigate armed with South Korean ASMs.