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Post by stevep on Jun 23, 2019 20:12:40 GMT
Hi
On a naval site the following YT video was linked. It describes what might have happened if the HSF having been ordered to sail and engage the GF hadn't mutinied and had done so. See HSF Death Ride, for more details. Watched it and very interesting. A few dubious - to me anyway - things like the success of the K class steam subs and the way the US squadron kept in touch with the fast 5th Battle Squadron - one commentary on the naval site asked "what did they do, get a tow from the 5th?". Also given their relative lack of experience and moral problems I'm not sure the German force would have fought as hard and successfully [relatively] as they did here.
However the people making the video seem to have done a fairly good job. As they say its a compilation of the most common points of 9 runs of the battle with different people in charge each time. As such its probably a very good summary of what might have happened. They could have done with naming the ships or at least highlighting them when key points were occurring to them. Being very interested in the period I pretty much knew what ships they were referring to but for an ordinary viewer.
In terms of some of the references, for those who don't know the ships. a) The New Zealand is famous for almost magically avoiding damage throughout the war - which is sometimes put down to a Māori piupiu (a warrior's skirt made from rolled flax) and a greenstone hei-tiki (pendant), which were intended to ward off evil presented to the captain during a pre-war tour of New Zealand, which had paid for the ship.According to legend the captain wore them during every battle the ship was engaged in.
b) Warspite is a legend in herself with an unparalleled record in both world wars and even refusing to go to the scrapyards, breaking her tow in the way there and running aground near Falmouth.
c) When it's mentioned that Agincourt had only three turrets left in operation it should be noted that it had 7 twin 12" turrets at full strength so over half were out of action. Originally designed for Brazil she was sold before completion to the Ottoman empire and then taken over by Britain - where she was still under construction - when WWI began.
Anyway hope you enjoy it.
Steve
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Post by redrobin65 on Jun 23, 2019 22:13:13 GMT
Hi
On a naval site the following YT video was linked. It describes what might have happened if the HSF having been ordered to sail and engage the GF hadn't mutinied and had done so. See HSF Death Ride, for more details. Watched it and very interesting. A few dubious - to me anyway - things like the success of the K class steam subs and the way the US squadron kept in touch with the fast 5th Battle Squadron - one commentary on the naval site asked "what did they do, get a tow from the 5th?". Also given their relative lack of experience and moral problems I'm not sure the German force would have fought as hard and successfully [relatively] as they did here.
However the people making the video seem to have done a fairly good job. As they say its a compilation of the most common points of 9 runs of the battle with different people in charge each time. As such its probably a very good summary of what might have happened. They could have done with naming the ships or at least highlighting them when key points were occurring to them. Being very interested in the period I pretty much knew what ships they were referring to but for an ordinary viewer.
In terms of some of the references, for those who don't know the ships. a) The New Zealand is famous for almost magically avoiding damage throughout the war - which is sometimes put down to a Māori piupiu (a warrior's skirt made from rolled flax) and a greenstone hei-tiki (pendant), which were intended to ward off evil presented to the captain during a pre-war tour of New Zealand, which had paid for the ship.According to legend the captain wore them during every battle the ship was engaged in.
b) Warspite is a legend in herself with an unparalleled record in both world wars and even refusing to go to the scrapyards, breaking her tow in the way there and running aground near Falmouth.
c) When it's mentioned that Agincourt had only three turrets left in operation it should be noted that it had 7 twin 12" turrets at full strength so over half were out of action. Originally designed for Brazil she was sold before completion to the Ottoman empire and then taken over by Britain - where she was still under construction - when WWI began.
Anyway hope you enjoy it.
Steve
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Post by stevep on Jun 24, 2019 14:48:02 GMT
Hi
On a naval site the following YT video was linked. It describes what might have happened if the HSF having been ordered to sail and engage the GF hadn't mutinied and had done so. See HSF Death Ride, for more details. Watched it and very interesting. A few dubious - to me anyway - things like the success of the K class steam subs and the way the US squadron kept in touch with the fast 5th Battle Squadron - one commentary on the naval site asked "what did they do, get a tow from the 5th?". Also given their relative lack of experience and moral problems I'm not sure the German force would have fought as hard and successfully [relatively] as they did here.
However the people making the video seem to have done a fairly good job. As they say its a compilation of the most common points of 9 runs of the battle with different people in charge each time. As such its probably a very good summary of what might have happened. They could have done with naming the ships or at least highlighting them when key points were occurring to them. Being very interested in the period I pretty much knew what ships they were referring to but for an ordinary viewer.
In terms of some of the references, for those who don't know the ships. a) The New Zealand is famous for almost magically avoiding damage throughout the war - which is sometimes put down to a Māori piupiu (a warrior's skirt made from rolled flax) and a greenstone hei-tiki (pendant), which were intended to ward off evil presented to the captain during a pre-war tour of New Zealand, which had paid for the ship.According to legend the captain wore them during every battle the ship was engaged in.
b) Warspite is a legend in herself with an unparalleled record in both world wars and even refusing to go to the scrapyards, breaking her tow in the way there and running aground near Falmouth.
c) When it's mentioned that Agincourt had only three turrets left in operation it should be noted that it had 7 twin 12" turrets at full strength so over half were out of action. Originally designed for Brazil she was sold before completion to the Ottoman empire and then taken over by Britain - where she was still under construction - when WWI began.
Anyway hope you enjoy it.
Steve
Great video; Drachinifel makes quality content.
Agree. He's got a series, is it Dockyard something numbers up to somewhere in the 20's at least and listened to one last night. A hell of a lot of information and from what I can tell accurate stuff as well. Have to try and listen to more.
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Post by lordroel on Jun 24, 2019 14:49:36 GMT
Hi On a naval site the following YT video was linked. It describes what might have happened if the HSF having been ordered to sail and engage the GF hadn't mutinied and had done so. See HSF Death Ride, for more details. Watched it and very interesting. A few dubious - to me anyway - things like the success of the K class steam subs and the way the US squadron kept in touch with the fast 5th Battle Squadron - one commentary on the naval site asked "what did they do, get a tow from the 5th?". Also given their relative lack of experience and moral problems I'm not sure the German force would have fought as hard and successfully [relatively] as they did here. However the people making the video seem to have done a fairly good job. As they say its a compilation of the most common points of 9 runs of the battle with different people in charge each time. As such its probably a very good summary of what might have happened. They could have done with naming the ships or at least highlighting them when key points were occurring to them. Being very interested in the period I pretty much knew what ships they were referring to but for an ordinary viewer. In terms of some of the references, for those who don't know the ships. a) The New Zealand is famous for almost magically avoiding damage throughout the war - which is sometimes put down to a Māori piupiu (a warrior's skirt made from rolled flax) and a greenstone hei-tiki (pendant), which were intended to ward off evil presented to the captain during a pre-war tour of New Zealand, which had paid for the ship.According to legend the captain wore them during every battle the ship was engaged in. b) Warspite is a legend in herself with an unparalleled record in both world wars and even refusing to go to the scrapyards, breaking her tow in the way there and running aground near Falmouth. c) When it's mentioned that Agincourt had only three turrets left in operation it should be noted that it had 7 twin 12" turrets at full strength so over half were out of action. Originally designed for Brazil she was sold before completion to the Ottoman empire and then taken over by Britain - where she was still under construction - when WWI began. Anyway hope you enjoy it. Steve
Is that not the same what i posted here What if: German naval plan 1918 |
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Post by stevep on Jun 24, 2019 20:32:12 GMT
Hi On a naval site the following YT video was linked. It describes what might have happened if the HSF having been ordered to sail and engage the GF hadn't mutinied and had done so. See HSF Death Ride, for more details. Watched it and very interesting. A few dubious - to me anyway - things like the success of the K class steam subs and the way the US squadron kept in touch with the fast 5th Battle Squadron - one commentary on the naval site asked "what did they do, get a tow from the 5th?". Also given their relative lack of experience and moral problems I'm not sure the German force would have fought as hard and successfully [relatively] as they did here. However the people making the video seem to have done a fairly good job. As they say its a compilation of the most common points of 9 runs of the battle with different people in charge each time. As such its probably a very good summary of what might have happened. They could have done with naming the ships or at least highlighting them when key points were occurring to them. Being very interested in the period I pretty much knew what ships they were referring to but for an ordinary viewer. In terms of some of the references, for those who don't know the ships. a) The New Zealand is famous for almost magically avoiding damage throughout the war - which is sometimes put down to a Māori piupiu (a warrior's skirt made from rolled flax) and a greenstone hei-tiki (pendant), which were intended to ward off evil presented to the captain during a pre-war tour of New Zealand, which had paid for the ship.According to legend the captain wore them during every battle the ship was engaged in. b) Warspite is a legend in herself with an unparalleled record in both world wars and even refusing to go to the scrapyards, breaking her tow in the way there and running aground near Falmouth. c) When it's mentioned that Agincourt had only three turrets left in operation it should be noted that it had 7 twin 12" turrets at full strength so over half were out of action. Originally designed for Brazil she was sold before completion to the Ottoman empire and then taken over by Britain - where she was still under construction - when WWI began. Anyway hope you enjoy it. Steve
Is that not the same what i posted here What if: German naval plan 1918
Lordroel
Your's was a post of what the plan was. The YT video was where a group, by the sound of it a naval gaming team, played the scenario out several times to see what happened using their rules. As such it gives an option as to what might have happened. Possibly I should have put this link there but to be honest I had forgotten it was there. 
Steve
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Post by lordroel on Jun 25, 2019 3:06:19 GMT
Lordroel Your's was a post of what the plan was. The YT video was where a group, by the sound of it a naval gaming team, played the scenario out several times to see what happened using their rules. As such it gives an option as to what might have happened. Possibly I should have put this link there but to be honest I had forgotten it was there. Steve
No problem stevep, still a great video that explains much about what could happen if the HSF enchanted their naval plan 1918. |
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