Miscellaneous, Non-Frivolous ASB Ideas

[stevep]

Oct 5, 2019 15:29:45 GMT lordroel said:

Oct 5, 2019 15:21:39 GMT stevep said:

   How about Ulthuan, the High Elf homeland in Warhammer Fantasy appears in mid-Atlantic in 1492AD. It is techtonically stable but the dragons are asleep and Magic is greatly reduced in power. The High Elves no longer have to deal with their dark brethren, the forces of chaos and assorted other threats such as the Norse, Undead and the like but do have to handle medieval Europe as it explores westwards.

Humankind is not going to miss this big island then.

  Very true although given the naval abilities of the elves even if Columbus doesn't run into them their very quickly going to discover a hell of a lot of the rest of the world their now in.

  I'm not sure if anywhere in the WH system it actually gives dimensions for Ulthuan or for its population?

  In the longer run the elves are going to have to start using gunpowder and other weapons to match human technologies growing capabilities.  Not to mention, given the state of Europe - and the wider western old world, their going to be facing a lot of humans crying 'demons' and heretics!

[lordroel]

Oct 5, 2019 20:26:27 GMT stevep said:

Oct 5, 2019 15:29:45 GMT lordroel said:

Humankind is not going to miss this big island then.

  Very true although given the naval abilities of the elves even if Columbus doesn't run into them their very quickly going to discover a hell of a lot of the rest of the world their now in.

  I'm not sure if anywhere in the WH system it actually gives dimensions for Ulthuan or for its population?

  In the longer run the elves are going to have to start using gunpowder and other weapons to match human technologies growing capabilities.  Not to mention, given the state of Europe - and the wider western old world, their going to be facing a lot of humans crying 'demons' and heretics!

So we do not know how big Ulthuan is if it is located in the Atlantic Ocean. 

[stevep]

Oct 5, 2019 20:30:56 GMT lordroel said:

Oct 5, 2019 20:26:27 GMT stevep said:

  Very true although given the naval abilities of the elves even if Columbus doesn't run into them their very quickly going to discover a hell of a lot of the rest of the world their now in.

  I'm not sure if anywhere in the WH system it actually gives dimensions for Ulthuan or for its population?

  In the longer run the elves are going to have to start using gunpowder and other weapons to match human technologies growing capabilities.  Not to mention, given the state of Europe - and the wider western old world, their going to be facing a lot of humans crying 'demons' and heretics!

So we do not know how big Ulthuan is if it is located in the Atlantic Ocean. 

  Well I had a quick look on Wiki but it doesn't give any details about the island itself or even the major settlements and provincial names.

[lordroel]

Oct 5, 2019 21:16:33 GMT stevep said:

Oct 5, 2019 20:30:56 GMT lordroel said:

So we do not know how big Ulthuan is if it is located in the Atlantic Ocean. 

  Well I had a quick look on Wiki but it doesn't give any details about the island itself or even the major settlements and provincial names.

Found this map, now if you forget that it is a fantasy map and place Ulthuan of the coast of North America, then we can see the size.

[stevep]

Assuming that Nassaroh equates to OTL N America then Ulthuan is pretty damned big. Their probable population, albeit that elves breed relatively slowly. It would fit since the High Elves were one of the two original great powers along with the dwarves and even after the defection of the dark elves, which did a lot of damage and then the long and bloody wars with the dwarves were still able to go head to head with just about everybody else.

[Zyobot]

‘1980 Jimmy Carter Vs. 2004 George W. Bush’ in a cross-time presidential election. Quite honestly, I can see the voting public viewing this as a “pick your poison” contest. On J. Carter’s watch, Stagflation shook the country and the Iranian Hostage Crisis happened. But Dubya is unpopular with uptimers due to hawkish quagmires like the Iraq War, which would also alienate downtimer voters since memories of Vietnam would still be fresh in their minds. Between these two statesmen in a merger of 1980 and 2004 America, who would win?

And this is all discounting the possibilities of a 1980-2020 presidential race—one in which the current POTUS would surely shake things up!

[Zyobot]

‘No WMDs’. So nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons are made impossible to manufacture (let alone deploy).

[lordroel]

Oct 13, 2019 4:11:38 GMT Zyobot said:

‘No WMDs’. So nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons are made impossible to manufacture (let alone deploy).

Than at least the world is a little bit safer know as we know it.

[Zyobot]

Oct 13, 2019 5:01:20 GMT lordroel said:

Oct 13, 2019 4:11:38 GMT Zyobot said:

‘No WMDs’. So nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons are made impossible to manufacture (let alone deploy).

Than at least the world is a little bit safer know as we know it.

But without the threat of WMDs, are nations more likely to go to war with one another since that deterrent doesn’t exist?

[stevep]

Oct 13, 2019 22:57:09 GMT Zyobot said:

Oct 13, 2019 5:01:20 GMT lordroel said:

Than at least the world is a little bit safer know as we know it.

But without the threat of WMDs, are nations more likely to go to war with one another since that deterrent doesn’t exist?

  Very likely in at least some cases.  Most especially possibly either a Soviet/west war or a Soviet/Chinese one. 

[lordroel]

Oct 14, 2019 17:24:41 GMT stevep said:

Oct 13, 2019 22:57:09 GMT Zyobot said:

But without the threat of WMDs, are nations more likely to go to war with one another since that deterrent doesn’t exist?

  Very likely in at least some cases.  Most especially possibly either a Soviet/west war or a Soviet/Chinese one. 

So war will be like those we saw in the Second World War, only difference is that they will use modern weapons.

[stevep]

Oct 14, 2019 17:37:58 GMT lordroel said:

Oct 14, 2019 17:24:41 GMT stevep said:

  Very likely in at least some cases.  Most especially possibly either a Soviet/west war or a Soviet/Chinese one. 

So war will be like those we saw in the Second World War, only difference is that they will use modern weapons.

  Including no doubt chemical ones, now that the nuclear counter is removed.  Not to mention possibly germ warfare.

[Zyobot]

'44 BC Julius Caesar To 60 BC'. This would be right after Caesar got assassinated that he gets sent back to his younger self. If we want, he could also be given foreknowledge of the resulting civil wars and Augustus's rise to power in forming the Roman Empire.

[stevep]

Oct 16, 2019 22:15:56 GMT Zyobot said:

'44 BC Julius Caesar To 60 BC'. This would be right after Caesar got assassinated that he gets sent back to his younger self. If we want, he could also be given foreknowledge of the resulting civil wars and Augustus's rise to power in forming the Roman Empire.

  Well I suspect he would be happy as far as possible to repeat just about everything until possibly shortly before his assassination.  There's always the chance some butterfly would mean he ends up dead in Gaul say or somewhere else but he had a pretty good career at that point.  Similarly I think he would still join the 1st Triumvirate with Pompey and Crassus as it changed him from a talented and ambitious young man with relatively little power and influence into one of the Great figures in Rome.  Had forgotten the timing and without this he probably won't have got the post in Gaul so definitely supporting the alliance.

  Whether he would try something to avoid Crassus's defeat by the Parthians I don't know.  It was a bad defeat for the Roman army but also removed someone who was now very much a potential rival.  Plus he might not have been able to do anything to influence events enough to avoid the disaster.

  Think he would still have gone for the civil war with Pompey as he would be confident of winning it and the conflict enabled him to gain dictatorial powers and overthrown the old Senate order and without it unless he had managed to maintain some closer link with Pompey he's likely to be increasingly isolated.

  Of course how he prevents his assassination would be important.  A fair number of significant figures being arrested or simply killed, unless he could make absolutely sure they were traced back to him could prevent that attack but generate the fear and mistrust in Rome that would prompt later attempts.  Also as long as Rome itself was insecure without the presence of both him and his army he can't afford to wage his planned war of revenge and conquest against the Parthians.

  If he's given knowledge of events after his death, including the following civil wars and Octavian/Augustus' rise to power I suspect he would be happy with the latter's success.  Only exception might be in terms of his feelings for Cleopatra and his son by her, assuming this still occurs and if possibly he might want such a child to succeed him.

[Zyobot]

‘2012 American South To 1962’—likely on October 8th of both years, to be specific. Such precise timing gives the arch-Republican uptimers a month to turn the tide of the 1962 midterms, as well as US politics as a whole due to the GOP now having a game-changing voting bloc at its disposal. The Democrats, on the other hand, are dealt a crushing blow that hemorrhages their national support since they’ve just lost their Dixieland base (even though there are still Northern and certain 2012 members of the party in this scenario, too). With this sudden PoD bound to shake JFK’s America up, one might wonder how the 1964 presidential election cycle concludes ITTL. And that’s just the chaos that comes without accounting for typical ISOT implications!