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Post by gillan1220 on May 15, 2020 9:06:52 GMT
Hong Kong would still be returned in 1998 as per OTL. It was becoming clear the British could not hold unto it any longer. Macau will probably follow suit.
As for territorial disputes, I'd see the ROC being less belligerent than the PRC today. So that means no Sino-Indian War and no Sino-Soviet War, even if the Chinese claim parts of Primorsky Krai as theirs due to the Qing Dynasty ceding into the Russian Empire as part of the Amur Aquisition. Down the South China Sea, there probably won't be artificial islands. Naval stand-offs still probably occur but it will be limited to that. Same goes for the Senkaku Islands with Japan.
I wonder now what happens to Sino-Japanese relations here since in OTL both China and Koreas still are demanding an official apology from World War II.
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Post by 49ersfootball on May 15, 2020 12:44:45 GMT
Hong Kong would still be returned in 1998 as per OTL. It was becoming clear the British could not hold unto it any longer. Macau will probably follow suit. As for territorial disputes, I'd see the ROC being less belligerent than the PRC today. So that means no Sino-Indian War and no Sino-Soviet War, even if the Chinese claim parts of Primorsky Krai as theirs due to the Qing Dynasty ceding into the Russian Empire as part of the Amur Aquisition. Down the South China Sea, there probably won't be artificial islands. Naval stand-offs still probably occur but it will be limited to that. Same goes for the Senkaku Islands with Japan. I wonder now what happens to Sino-Japanese relations here since in OTL both China and Koreas still are demanding an official apology from World War II. I wonder how Nixon & Kissinger would've handled Taiwan in this scenario ? |
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Post by stevep on May 15, 2020 13:57:08 GMT
Hong Kong would still be returned in 1998 as per OTL. It was becoming clear the British could not hold unto it any longer. Macau will probably follow suit. As for territorial disputes, I'd see the ROC being less belligerent than the PRC today. So that means no Sino-Indian War and no Sino-Soviet War, even if the Chinese claim parts of Primorsky Krai as theirs due to the Qing Dynasty ceding into the Russian Empire as part of the Amur Aquisition. Down the South China Sea, there probably won't be artificial islands. Naval stand-offs still probably occur but it will be limited to that. Same goes for the Senkaku Islands with Japan. I wonder now what happens to Sino-Japanese relations here since in OTL both China and Koreas still are demanding an official apology from World War II. I wonder how Nixon & Kissinger would've handled Taiwan in this scenario ?
Would there be an issue with Taiwan? Although it was originally non-Chinese it was generally recognised as belonging to China and the Chinese population largely dominated it so I doubt there would be much chance for any independence movement. You might have more of an issue with Tibet here however.
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Post by 49ersfootball on May 15, 2020 14:25:56 GMT
I wonder how Nixon & Kissinger would've handled Taiwan in this scenario ?
Would there be an issue with Taiwan? Although it was originally non-Chinese it was generally recognised as belonging to China and the Chinese population largely dominated it so I doubt there would be much chance for any independence movement. You might have more of an issue with Tibet here however.
Which means the ROC still keeps their seat in the UN General Assembly. |
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Post by stevep on May 16, 2020 10:52:23 GMT
Would there be an issue with Taiwan? Although it was originally non-Chinese it was generally recognised as belonging to China and the Chinese population largely dominated it so I doubt there would be much chance for any independence movement. You might have more of an issue with Tibet here however.
Which means the ROC still keeps their seat in the UN General Assembly.
If you mean there would be two separate China's I would disagree? What I meant is that Taiwan would be taken over by KMT China after the Japanese surrender, as I presume it was OTL such they were able to retreat there after their defeat on the mainland.
If you mean that the Nationalist government would maintain its seat in the UN, including being a permanent member of the Security Council that would be the case because its the only Chinese state as such, other than probably Singapore. [Which raises the interesting question of whether KMT China would seek influence there and to what degree. [Also if there are anti-Chinese movements as OTL in Indonesia what the Chinese reaction, especially since its likely to get more international sympathy in this TL.]
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Post by 49ersfootball on May 16, 2020 23:24:57 GMT
Which means the ROC still keeps their seat in the UN General Assembly.
If you mean there would be two separate China's I would disagree? What I meant is that Taiwan would be taken over by KMT China after the Japanese surrender, as I presume it was OTL such they were able to retreat there after their defeat on the mainland.
If you mean that the Nationalist government would maintain its seat in the UN, including being a permanent member of the Security Council that would be the case because its the only Chinese state as such, other than probably Singapore. [Which raises the interesting question of whether KMT China would seek influence there and to what degree. [Also if there are anti-Chinese movements as OTL in Indonesia what the Chinese reaction, especially since its likely to get more international sympathy in this TL.]
I'm assuming Chiang violently cracks down aggressively against Mao & the communists after the Civil War in this TL ? |
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Post by stevep on May 17, 2020 11:11:21 GMT
If you mean there would be two separate China's I would disagree? What I meant is that Taiwan would be taken over by KMT China after the Japanese surrender, as I presume it was OTL such they were able to retreat there after their defeat on the mainland.
If you mean that the Nationalist government would maintain its seat in the UN, including being a permanent member of the Security Council that would be the case because its the only Chinese state as such, other than probably Singapore. [Which raises the interesting question of whether KMT China would seek influence there and to what degree. [Also if there are anti-Chinese movements as OTL in Indonesia what the Chinese reaction, especially since its likely to get more international sympathy in this TL.]
I'm assuming Chiang violently cracks down aggressively against Mao & the communists after the Civil War in this TL ?
Wasn't the POD that Mao and the bulk of the organised party was destroyed in the mid 30's? There is likely to be unrest against corruption and incompetence in the regime and it will probably brand all of this communist, especially once the cold war starts, whether it is or not to excuse its repression.
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Post by 49ersfootball on May 17, 2020 14:19:35 GMT
I like to see how Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon & Ford will handle Chiang.
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Post by gillan1220 on May 18, 2020 14:10:21 GMT
I like to see how Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon & Ford will handle Chiang. I think the U.S. would still sell the ROC weapons here. |
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Post by lordroel on May 18, 2020 15:11:52 GMT
I like to see how Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Nixon & Ford will handle Chiang. I think the U.S. would still sell the ROC weapons here. And when Chiang dies and his son takes over and he dies as well, then i can see the emergence of the largest democracy on earth. |
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Post by 49ersfootball on May 18, 2020 19:08:44 GMT
I think the U.S. would still sell the ROC weapons here. And when Chiang dies and his son takes over and he dies as well, then i can see the emergence of the largest democracy on earth. Yen Chia-kan succeeded Daddy Chiang as ROC President in 1975 serving until 1978. |
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Post by lordroel on May 18, 2020 19:09:38 GMT
And when Chiang dies and his son takes over and he dies as well, then i can see the emergence of the largest democracy on earth. Yen Chia-kan succeeded Daddy Chiang as ROC President in 1975 serving until 1978. And most likely will do the same thing with a victorious ROC controlling all of China. |
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Post by 49ersfootball on May 18, 2020 19:11:15 GMT
Yen Chia-kan succeeded Daddy Chiang as ROC President in 1975 serving until 1978. And most likely will do the same thing with a victorious ROC controlling all of China. Interesting to see how Carter, Reagan & Co., will play this 🤔 |
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