Drachinifel - naval history

[lordroel]

Jun 27, 2020 15:31:18 GMT stevep said:

Jun 27, 2020 11:03:11 GMT lordroel said:

1047 Battlecruisers - Drachinifel - naval history - 32

  So the lesson is never let the Dutch order capital ships as a world war always follows!   Serious they sound like useful designs with good AA batteries for the time which would be needed if they were actually completed and later went to war.  That armour is a bit thin however.

  Talking of AA fire I assume the Germans didn't mention radar at all as I assume they were keeping developments there secret, as were other nations developing it at the time.

True indeed, the Netherlands tried in 1913 with the 1913 battleship proposal, a year later World War I broke out, in 1939 they tried to order the 1047 Battlecruisers design and the same year World War II broke out, lucky in 2020 we have no plans yet to order a new battleship, so no World War III.

[lordroel]

USS Birmingham - Three Strikes & Not Out! - Drachinifel - naval history - 33

[stevep]

Jul 1, 2020 12:59:35 GMT lordroel said:

USS Birmingham - Three Strikes & Not Out! - Drachinifel - naval history - 33

  Actually watched it yesterday.  In reality she only saw a few attacks but a couple were very bad.  Although the worst was actually when a CVL that they were assisting exploded as fires on board reached one of the magazines.  Amazing the ship survived that. 

  It showed the speed with which the USN expanded that the Birmingham and her sisters were only in service for about 3 years before being put in reserve and never seeing service again because there were easily enough newer ships to meet post-war needs.

  Steve

[lordroel]

Jul 2, 2020 11:07:59 GMT stevep said:

Jul 1, 2020 12:59:35 GMT lordroel said:

USS Birmingham - Three Strikes & Not Out! - Drachinifel - naval history - 33

  Actually watched it yesterday.  In reality she only saw a few attacks but a couple were very bad.  Although the worst was actually when a CVL that they were assisting exploded as fires on board reached one of the magazines.  Amazing the ship survived that. 

  It showed the speed with which the USN expanded that the Birmingham and her sisters were only in service for about 3 years before being put in reserve and never seeing service again because there were easily enough newer ships to meet post-war needs.

  Steve

Would that burning CVL the Princeton during the Battle of Leyte Gulf on 24 October 1944 as this picture shows.

[stevep]

Jul 2, 2020 15:20:23 GMT lordroel said:

Jul 2, 2020 11:07:59 GMT stevep said:

  Actually watched it yesterday.  In reality she only saw a few attacks but a couple were very bad.  Although the worst was actually when a CVL that they were assisting exploded as fires on board reached one of the magazines.  Amazing the ship survived that. 

  It showed the speed with which the USN expanded that the Birmingham and her sisters were only in service for about 3 years before being put in reserve and never seeing service again because there were easily enough newer ships to meet post-war needs.

  Steve

Would that burning CVL the Princeton during the Battle of Leyte Gulf on 24 October 1944 as this picture shows.

  Lordroel

  You mean you didn't watch the video?   Yes that's the one, as mentioned in Birmingham's wiki entry - USS Birmingham and CVL damage - which could well be where you got the image from as there's a copy there.  Had to check because I remember Drachinfel compared the loss of the CVL with another one later in the war so wasn't sure of the name. 

  Steve

[lordroel]

Jul 2, 2020 15:36:43 GMT stevep said:

Jul 2, 2020 15:20:23 GMT lordroel said:

Would that burning CVL the Princeton during the Battle of Leyte Gulf on 24 October 1944 as this picture shows.

  Lordroel

  You mean you didn't watch the video?   Yes that's the one, as mentioned in Birmingham's wiki entry - USS Birmingham and CVL damage - which could well be where you got the image from as there's a copy there.  Had to check because I remember Drachinfel compared the loss of the CVL with another one later in the war so wasn't sure of the name. 

  Steve

Sorry i watch so many stuff i have not been able to watch this one, my apologizes stevep.

[stevep]

Jul 2, 2020 15:38:15 GMT lordroel said:

Jul 2, 2020 15:36:43 GMT stevep said:

  Lordroel

  You mean you didn't watch the video?   Yes that's the one, as mentioned in Birmingham's wiki entry - USS Birmingham and CVL damage - which could well be where you got the image from as there's a copy there.  Had to check because I remember Drachinfel compared the loss of the CVL with another one later in the war so wasn't sure of the name. 

  Steve

Sorry i watch so many stuff i have not been able to watch this one, my apologizes stevep .

  lordroel,

  No problem, I was joking.  I'm spending far too long watching videos on Divide and Conquer a ME2 total war mod based on LotR!

  Steve

[lordroel]

Jul 3, 2020 11:05:47 GMT stevep said:

Jul 2, 2020 15:38:15 GMT lordroel said:

Sorry i watch so many stuff i have not been able to watch this one, my apologizes stevep .

  lordroel,

  No problem, I was joking.  I'm spending far too long watching videos on Divide and Conquer a ME2 total war mod based on LotR!

  Steve

No problem.

[lordroel]

HMS Colossus - Drachinifel - naval history - 34

[lordroel]

Naval Guns (1650 to 1820) - Stop blowing holes in my ship! - naval history - 35

[stevep]

Jul 8, 2020 13:22:25 GMT lordroel said:

Naval Guns (1650 to 1820) - Stop blowing holes in my ship! - naval history - 35

  Watched that last night, as well as the previous version which covered the ~1400-1650 period.  Very interesting on how things changed, although some of the basics were similar.  Never realised the possibility with very well trained crews, such as the example given for HMS Shannon, of actually using light canon pretty much as 'snipers'. 

  I was meaning to ask but could you also link to his recent video Fighting U boats with Wrens please?  I can put a link in but not an image as you have here.  As he says sound quality is a problem in the early outside section but very informative about a little known aspect of the Battle of the Atlantic.

[lordroel]

Jul 9, 2020 10:07:01 GMT stevep said:

Fighting U boats with Wrens please?  I can put a link in but not an image as you have here.  As he says sound quality is a problem in the early outside section but very informative about a little known aspect of the Battle of the Atlantic.

Of course, here it is.

Western Approaches Command - Fighting U-Boats with Wrens

[lordroel]

Battle class - naval history - 36

[lordroel]

The Battle of Jutland - Clash of the Titans - Part 1 (Beatty vs Hipper) - naval history - 37

[stevep]

Jul 15, 2020 13:45:37 GMT lordroel said:

The Battle of Jutland - Clash of the Titans - Part 1 (Beatty vs Hipper) - naval history - 37

  Gods I didn't realise how many mistakes were made during this period.  Largely by the British although a couple by the Germans as well.  Knew about the error with Sheer's flag sign and complication in Room 40 and some of Beatty/Seymour's [non-] signing but a number of other significant ones as well.  Amazing Jellicoe did as well as he did and hadn't realised quite how effective the 5th Battle Squadron was despite the shell problems.