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Post by ssgtc on Dec 8, 2021 16:52:08 GMT
Which is why Yorktown's fighters are on the roof and positioned on the cats, ready to launch. The Yorktown must have radars to pick up bombers and their missiles so they can intercept any incoming thread i assume. Yes, Yorktown is equipped with both the AN/SPS-6 and AN/SPS-8 radar for air search. They can detect a fighter sized aircraft at around 60-80NM. Not much warning time, honestly. Edit: She also would still have her WWII era SC radar set onboard. It had a maximum range of 75 miles for a target flying at 1,000' AGL. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 8, 2021 16:58:44 GMT
The Yorktown must have radars to pick up bombers and their missiles so they can intercept any incoming thread i assume. Yes, Yorktown is equipped with both the AN/SPS-6 and AN/SPS-8 radar for air search. They can detect a fighter sized aircraft at around 60-80NM. Not much warning time, honestly. Edit: She also would still have her WWII era SC radar set onboard. It had a maximum range of 75 miles for a target flying at 1,000' AGL. is that enough warning should there be a strike directed against here. |
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Post by ssgtc on Dec 8, 2021 17:51:41 GMT
Yes, Yorktown is equipped with both the AN/SPS-6 and AN/SPS-8 radar for air search. They can detect a fighter sized aircraft at around 60-80NM. Not much warning time, honestly. Edit: She also would still have her WWII era SC radar set onboard. It had a maximum range of 75 miles for a target flying at 1,000' AGL. is that enough warning should there be a strike directed against here. Probably not. That's one of the reasons the Navy began putting AEW&C aircraft even on their anti-submarine carriers. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 8, 2021 19:11:51 GMT
February 16, 1959
Den Helder Naval Base, Netherlands
HNLMS Karel Doorman's planned goodwill cruise to the United States is canceled. Instead, orders are issued informing her commanding officer that Karel Doorman is to prepare for possible combat in the Far East. In accordance with this, war stocks are to be loaded into her magazines and additional spare parts are scheduled to be taken aboard. Her crew is also ordered to be brought up to full wartime strength to ensure she has sufficient damage control capability and her crew will not wear out too quickly under combat conditions. To do this, personnel will be stripped from shore establishments, training billets and other warships that are not in a fit state to deploy. Her Commanding Officer, Captain Adri van Es, reports that Doorman would be ready for sea by February 21st. He was informed that he had until the 19th. Who ever decided to have a goodwill cruise to the United States was not thinking straight, at least she is getting into action, should been sooner than latter. |
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Post by stevep on Dec 8, 2021 19:36:45 GMT
I'm wondering what the Indonesian government think will happen if they actually attack an Anglo-American carrier force?  If that's what their intending rather than some fly over or by as a warning. Things would get very unpleasant very quickly and I suspect matters wouldn't go well for the Indonesian government. Britain has bases in Malaya at this point and the US has a hell of a lot of firepower and would be likely to use it. Its one thing attacking a declining European small power over a colonial issue and another taking on the world's greatest naval power. |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 8, 2021 19:41:35 GMT
I'm wondering what the Indonesian government think will happen if they actually attack an Anglo-American carrier force? If that's what their intending rather than some fly over or by as a warning. Things would get very unpleasant very quickly and I suspect matters wouldn't go well for the Indonesian government. Britain has bases in Malaya at this point and the US has a hell of a lot of firepower and would be likely to use it. Its one thing attacking a declining European small power over a colonial issue and another taking on the world's greatest naval power. The Soviet Union is not going to be pleased, they are okay if a proky of them fights a regional war but i do not think they want to be dragged into a war which might end up becoming World War III. |
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Post by ssgtc on Dec 8, 2021 20:17:44 GMT
February 16, 1959
Den Helder Naval Base, Netherlands
HNLMS Karel Doorman's planned goodwill cruise to the United States is canceled. Instead, orders are issued informing her commanding officer that Karel Doorman is to prepare for possible combat in the Far East. In accordance with this, war stocks are to be loaded into her magazines and additional spare parts are scheduled to be taken aboard. Her crew is also ordered to be brought up to full wartime strength to ensure she has sufficient damage control capability and her crew will not wear out too quickly under combat conditions. To do this, personnel will be stripped from shore establishments, training billets and other warships that are not in a fit state to deploy. Her Commanding Officer, Captain Adri van Es, reports that Doorman would be ready for sea by February 21st. He was informed that he had until the 19th. Who ever decided to have a goodwill cruise to the United States was not thinking straight, at least she is getting into action, should been sooner than latter. This is actually an OTL cruise that was planned for after she had recomissioned. This wasn't a last minute thing that was planned. It's being canceled now that the situation in West New Guinea has totally blown up and she's needed to fight. |
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Post by ssgtc on Dec 8, 2021 20:58:19 GMT
I'm wondering what the Indonesian government think will happen if they actually attack an Anglo-American carrier force? If that's what their intending rather than some fly over or by as a warning. Things would get very unpleasant very quickly and I suspect matters wouldn't go well for the Indonesian government. Britain has bases in Malaya at this point and the US has a hell of a lot of firepower and would be likely to use it. Its one thing attacking a declining European small power over a colonial issue and another taking on the world's greatest naval power. Oh I'm sure Moscow will be just THRILLED to see missiles flying at an American carrier battle group... |
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Post by lordroel on Dec 9, 2021 4:12:37 GMT
I'm wondering what the Indonesian government think will happen if they actually attack an Anglo-American carrier force? If that's what their intending rather than some fly over or by as a warning. Things would get very unpleasant very quickly and I suspect matters wouldn't go well for the Indonesian government. Britain has bases in Malaya at this point and the US has a hell of a lot of firepower and would be likely to use it. Its one thing attacking a declining European small power over a colonial issue and another taking on the world's greatest naval power. Oh I'm sure Moscow will be just THRILLED to see missiles flying at an American carrier battle group... Is there nothing they can stop it, surely they have military advisors on the bombers. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 9, 2021 5:50:54 GMT
Not on the bombers themselves. That would be a level of control that they never had over the Arabs or Warsaw Pact; the latter never had bombers or strike weapons for obvious reasons.
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Post by ssgtc on Dec 9, 2021 5:53:53 GMT
Oh I'm sure Moscow will be just THRILLED to see missiles flying at an American carrier battle group... Is there nothing they can stop it, surely they have military advisors on the bombers. Advisors? Yes. On the ground. Back at base or in Jakarta. The Soviets are not allowing their own personal to be in a position where they could be captured. Plausible deniability is needed. |
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Post by simon darkshade on Dec 9, 2021 5:59:39 GMT
Given that this is just after the Second Taiwan Straits Crisis and in the very heart of the New Look era of massive retaliation, the Indonesians had better not get too ambitious, as the Bomb was the Eisenhower Administration’s first response.
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Post by 575 on Dec 9, 2021 19:39:16 GMT
But the CIA has been proven to be wrong several times. In fairness, that's not a bad estimate to make. Air Forces generally take some time to introduce a new type into service. Especially something as complex as a strategic bomber. 1-2 years is usually a good timeline from first delivery to IOC. As mentioned earlier there is a lot more to it than just flying the aircraft. Getting acquinted with the new type performance capabilities and stuff like how to get out of trouble once you get into it.. Might no be such a good idea to commit those big silvery things too early..  |
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Post by sandyman on Dec 11, 2021 13:55:42 GMT
I love this story and each and every update well done. I do hope that there is some Carrier action it would be interesting to see how the Royal Navy planes stck up against the Russian ones.
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Post by ssgtc on Dec 11, 2021 18:15:06 GMT
I love this story and each and every update well done. I do hope that there is some Carrier action it would be interesting to see how the Royal Navy planes stck up against the Russian ones. Well, the Sea Hawks and Sea Venoms on Albion are BADLY outclassed by the Indonesians. Even their bombers have something like a 100MPH speed advantage on them. The Hunters that the RAF has are a much more even match. And I'd put my money on the RAF there |
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If that's what their intending rather than some fly over or by as a warning. Things would get very unpleasant very quickly and I suspect matters wouldn't go well for the Indonesian government. Britain has bases in Malaya at this point and the US has a hell of a lot of firepower and would be likely to use it. Its one thing attacking a declining European small power over a colonial issue and another taking on the world's greatest naval power.
