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Post by stevep on Apr 5, 2021 11:35:42 GMT
The larger ones yes, if we want to go on a path of mass ecological destruction. However don't forget they also have a lot of smaller ones and the intelligent inhabitants. Also going to be rather chaotic with its maritime dinos interacting with Earths wildlife.
Kumari Kandam might seem a more useful location, although it also has an intelligent and non-human population and is rather barren IIRC - the SV site seems to be down briefly at the moment due to some power issue. It has land connections with southern India, Australia and Madagascar which would pretty much force mixing of people and wildlife, not to mention on the longer term plant life as well.
So Kumari Kandam is basically Skull Island then? That would attract scientists to research the flora and fauna of that region. The marine reptiles would be a problem for sure since they would probably feed on whales. So I guess we could see fishing fleets or coast guards try to hunt down those Mosasaurs.
Well its an adaption of the old idea of Lemuria - an Indian Ocean Atlantis to explain connections between wildlife in adjacent areas - which was picked up by some Tamil nationalists starting in the late 19thC to give them a basis for some of their myths and a 'history' as a great empire. See Kumari_Kandam for a brief intro. Wasn't aware of its use by them although had heard of Lemuria before.
The proposed land is huge and of continental size although its geography would force some reassessment of the continents as you could argue that now Australia is simply a large eastern extension of it into the south Pacific. The SV link is still down but it has its own wildlife including the intelligent cat people who are the dominant species and about medieval level technology.
I wouldn't say fishing fleets hunting down Mosasaur's as I suspect for most traditional fishing ships they might be prey rather than predators. You could see whaling ships possibly going after them however and warships seeking to protect fishing trawlers perhaps.
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Post by gillan1220 on Apr 5, 2021 12:23:51 GMT
So Kumari Kandam is basically Skull Island then? That would attract scientists to research the flora and fauna of that region. The marine reptiles would be a problem for sure since they would probably feed on whales. So I guess we could see fishing fleets or coast guards try to hunt down those Mosasaurs.
Well its an adaption of the old idea of Lemuria - an Indian Ocean Atlantis to explain connections between wildlife in adjacent areas - which was picked up by some Tamil nationalists starting in the late 19thC to give them a basis for some of their myths and a 'history' as a great empire. See Kumari_Kandam for a brief intro. Wasn't aware of its use by them although had heard of Lemuria before.
The proposed land is huge and of continental size although its geography would force some reassessment of the continents as you could argue that now Australia is simply a large eastern extension of it into the south Pacific. The SV link is still down but it has its own wildlife including the intelligent cat people who are the dominant species and about medieval level technology.
I wouldn't say fishing fleets hunting down Mosasaur's as I suspect for most traditional fishing ships they might be prey rather than predators. You could see whaling ships possibly going after them however and warships seeking to protect fishing trawlers perhaps.
Cat people? Holy shit. Furries will have a field day. For the Mosasaurs, keep in mind they aren't kaijus to begin with. If one gets rammed by a boat, it dies just likes whales or cetaceans. I once asked the question of what-if Megalodons continued to exist in present day. A user replied that these sharks would be hunted down to extinction or would go extinct due to whaling in the 19th century. The Mosasaurs should not be too different.  Sea Monsters Size Comparison
A Coast Guard cutter would do the trick. Maybe for once the USN's Freedom-class and Independence-class LCS would have something of use rather than expensive failures. It would be overkill to deploy a Arleigh Burke-class destroyer since we are not dealing with kaijus. |
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Post by triassicd on Apr 5, 2021 14:31:13 GMT
The larger ones yes, if we want to go on a path of mass ecological destruction. However don't forget they also have a lot of smaller ones and the intelligent inhabitants. Also going to be rather chaotic with its maritime dinos interacting with Earths wildlife.
Kumari Kandam might seem a more useful location, although it also has an intelligent and non-human population and is rather barren IIRC - the SV site seems to be down briefly at the moment due to some power issue. It has land connections with southern India, Australia and Madagascar which would pretty much force mixing of people and wildlife, not to mention on the longer term plant life as well.
So Kumari Kandam is basically Skull Island then? That would attract scientists to research the flora and fauna of that region. The marine reptiles would be a problem for sure since they would probably feed on whales. So I guess we could see fishing fleets or coast guards try to hunt down those Mosasaurs. I think Mu more like Skull Island as it would have large dinosaurs and marine reptiles that easily eat a human. |
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Post by triassicd on Apr 5, 2021 15:26:02 GMT
They could relocate them to the new continents but then again the continents are already inhabited and only continent that low population is Mu but it’s filled with dangerous dinosaurs and making a colony would really expensive which means only richest of nations could do so yeah pretty bad locate for refugees. In your scenario, do these continents appear overnight thereby wiping out entire nations? Dinosaurs would not be a problem since we could smoke them from the air. A single AC-130 could do the job. The continents do appear overnight replacing the water and animals in the area but ships in area would be simply be stuck on the land on the continent and the islands would fused with with the land mass not destroyed but then again they would be very inland and the lack of support from nations like for example the US and it’s island Hawaii would cause them to collapse and may even capture or killed by the inhabitants or eaten but the animals. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Apr 5, 2021 15:27:28 GMT
In your scenario, do these continents appear overnight thereby wiping out entire nations? Dinosaurs would not be a problem since we could smoke them from the air. A single AC-130 could do the job. The continents do appear overnight replacing the water and animals in the area but ships in area would be simply be stuck on the land on the continent and the islands would fused with with the land mass not destroyed but then again they would be very inland and the lack of support from nations like for example the US and it’s island Hawaii would cause them to collapse and may even capture or killed by the inhabitants or eaten but the animals. How do the cat people look like in this scenario of yours? |
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Post by triassicd on Apr 5, 2021 15:37:27 GMT
The continents do appear overnight replacing the water and animals in the area but ships in area would be simply be stuck on the land on the continent and the islands would fused with with the land mass not destroyed but then again they would be very inland and the lack of support from nations like for example the US and it’s island Hawaii would cause them to collapse and may even capture or killed by the inhabitants or eaten but the animals. How do the cat people look like in this scenario of yours? Due to the SV link being temporary down I can’t direct it to you but I can tell it. The cat people look and same size as the Palicos from Monster hunter and they love and worship hunting, believing in a nature Goddess. |
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Post by triassicd on Apr 5, 2021 16:14:06 GMT
Due to the SV link being temporary down I will provide a brief description of the continent and it's people. Mu would be filled with large dinosaur like creatures and small mammals however the continent will have a sentient species called Wessets. Copy and paste the link to see a picture of the Wessets: 4.bp.blogspot.com/-Nv0ToXF0RPM/WbMAMwDYe3I/AAAAAAAAAb4/I0k4gziCH30ZDRyGnzMlbruC3HjpziwswCEwYBhgL/s1600/Crypto-theory-are-cryptids-real-animals-troodon-lizardman-reptoid-reptillian.jpgThese reptile like humans live on Mu their populations are often small due to the fact their often prey large theropods that roam the land. Their level of technology similar to the Pre-Columbian Native Americans. While most their species is nomadic and some are at the level Aztecs and Maya Empire. There are three major players of Mu, two of them empires and one is confederation of different tribes to protect themselves both from dinosaurs and the two empires. The Wessets are way more stronger they average human and they often fight dinosaurs for food and to protect themselves and due to they are a warrior race that loves to fight and to get stronger. Their culture and religions are also similar to the Pre-Columbian Native Americans, believing in many different gods and sprits. Atlantis is dominated by race that called themselves Qluats. For comparison the Qluats look similar to inklings from Splatoon. Long ago the Qluats were nothing more then squids but after 10 million years of very complex evolution they have evolve into their human like appearance. The Qluats have one democrat government that controls all of Atlantis and are a peace loving race often talking their way out problems rather then fighting due to this they are experts at diplomacy and negotiations and because of this they have only had two wars in their entire history. A fully grown Qluat would look like a child to humans due their size and appearance but don't let fool you Qluats are very intelligent in fact an average Qluat has IQ over 500. Despite there intelligence, their are very weak due to their child like bodies and often rely on technology. They are semi-aquatic and all doe they spend very long time on land they have go back to the water so that don't dry out but thanks to intelligence they have created special suits and buildings that allow them even longer periods on land. They are very advance and are more advance compare to 2021 humans, they even found ways to balance technology and nature. Qluats worship the sea and nature as whole and due to this their technology is 99% renewable and very friendly to the environment. They believe in one Goddess and to them if they respect nature then they would respect their Goddess. Kumari Kandam is mostly jungle, grasslands, and deserts with one large dormant super volcano and mountain range at the middle. This continent's race called themselves Cydats. Nicknamed Palicoes by humans who meet them due to how similar they look to the Palicoes in the video game Monster Hunter. Cydats are small bipedal cat creatures. They are sentient, and form kingdoms or even rarely entire empires. Cydats love to hunt, so much in fact they would often hunt animals way bigger themselves due this they often hunt in large groups to bring down large prey or even predators. In order avoid hunting animals to extinction, Cydats would have hunting seasons for certain animals every year and they ban to hunt of pregnant animals and animals at their breeding seasons. Their tech level is about same as late Medieval Europe. They also appear to be immune to most common human diseases due having similar diseases and animals to Europe and even Africa. Their religion similar to the Qluats however their religion focuses more the hunt. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Apr 7, 2021 2:21:40 GMT
The next problem is how to peacefully assimilate with these humanoids. Would the UN give them protection as part of "Human Rights"? That's the big question.
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Post by stevep on Apr 7, 2021 14:32:16 GMT
The next problem is how to peacefully assimilate with these humanoids. Would the UN give them protection as part of "Human Rights"? That's the big question.
The Qluats I would say no problem as their very intelligent and look highly non-aggressive. The Wessets and Cydats are more primitive technologically and also seem to be less culturally advanced so they could have problems. Also KK with physical attachments to two continents and a large island is likely to see some tensions and similarly the wildlife from/around Mu could cause some desire for intervention to 'control' it - which might simply be an excuse for intervention. Plus Mu especially has swamped a number of island chains, most noticeably Hawaii so since the inhabitants are now trapped deep inland in the new continent rather than having been displaced there's going to be a desire to rescue them.
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Post by triassicd on Apr 7, 2021 18:14:29 GMT
The next problem is how to peacefully assimilate with these humanoids. Would the UN give them protection as part of "Human Rights"? That's the big question.
The Qluats I would say no problem as their very intelligent and look highly non-aggressive. The Wessets and Cydats are more primitive technologically and also seem to be less culturally advanced so they could have problems. Also KK with physical attachments to two continents and a large island is likely to see some tensions and similarly the wildlife from/around Mu could cause some desire for intervention to 'control' it - which might simply be an excuse for intervention. Plus Mu especially has swamped a number of island chains, most noticeably Hawaii so since the inhabitants are now trapped deep inland in the new continent rather than having been displaced there's going to be a desire to rescue them.
Do you think there could be some tension in Atlantic as Atlantis pretty much dominant force as according to map Atlantis is right middle of the US and Europe which could cause the Us and Atlantis to become rivals for trade. The Atlantis may be peace loving but you have to be idiot not take advantage of this or least find I way were could benefit the situation. Also their possible that people sell modern weapons and tech to Mu and especially KK as I could see people taking advantage of the situation and sell stuff to the natives. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Apr 8, 2021 4:00:52 GMT
The Qluats I would say no problem as their very intelligent and look highly non-aggressive. The Wessets and Cydats are more primitive technologically and also seem to be less culturally advanced so they could have problems. Also KK with physical attachments to two continents and a large island is likely to see some tensions and similarly the wildlife from/around Mu could cause some desire for intervention to 'control' it - which might simply be an excuse for intervention. Plus Mu especially has swamped a number of island chains, most noticeably Hawaii so since the inhabitants are now trapped deep inland in the new continent rather than having been displaced there's going to be a desire to rescue them.
Do you think there could be some tension in Atlantic as Atlantis pretty much dominant force as according to map Atlantis is right middle of the US and Europe which could cause the Us and Atlantis to become rivals for trade. The Atlantis may be peace loving but you have to be idiot not take advantage of this or least find I way were could benefit the situation. Also their possible that people sell modern weapons and tech to Mu and especially KK as I could see people taking advantage of the situation and sell stuff to the natives. Unless the USA and the EU agrees with the Atlantians of a non-aggression pact. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 8, 2021 9:47:08 GMT
The Qluats I would say no problem as their very intelligent and look highly non-aggressive. The Wessets and Cydats are more primitive technologically and also seem to be less culturally advanced so they could have problems. Also KK with physical attachments to two continents and a large island is likely to see some tensions and similarly the wildlife from/around Mu could cause some desire for intervention to 'control' it - which might simply be an excuse for intervention. Plus Mu especially has swamped a number of island chains, most noticeably Hawaii so since the inhabitants are now trapped deep inland in the new continent rather than having been displaced there's going to be a desire to rescue them.
Do you think there could be some tension in Atlantic as Atlantis pretty much dominant force as according to map Atlantis is right middle of the US and Europe which could cause the Us and Atlantis to become rivals for trade. The Atlantis may be peace loving but you have to be idiot not take advantage of this or least find I way were could benefit the situation. Also their possible that people sell modern weapons and tech to Mu and especially KK as I could see people taking advantage of the situation and sell stuff to the natives.
Well its possible, depending on how the Qluats react to suddenly being in a drastically different world. It won't take them long to realise that humans have a history of violence so how they respond to the potential threat I don't know. One other issue that will emerge immediately would be their reaction to having airliners flying over them since there will be a/c in the air when the event occurs. Not to mention probably suddenly finding some merchant ships either embedded in their territory or turning up on their coastline and looking very confused.
With the Cydats they might receive weapons from some people, assuming their got something to pay with other than land which they are likely to be unhappy with. They seem to have a culture of restraint in terms of their hunting so provided that stays in place it wouldn't make a big difference in that. However their likely to see a lot of would be migrants from south India and possibly Africa as well as possibly their own people wandering into eastern Australia. Plus they have effectively blockaded Sri Lanka which is now embedded in - and presumably replacing part of - their land. As such there are potentials for conflict.
The Wessets could well be a conflict issue as I'm not sure how socially advanced they are and hence how they would interact with outsiders. Also since their prey as much as predators for the local dinos so they have a more pressing reason for welcoming new weapons and possibly other technology. Suppose one option here is that one or two of their states could set up deals offering hunting trips for big game hunters although what sort of impact this would have I don't know.
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Post by oscssw on Apr 11, 2021 14:49:12 GMT
The larger ones yes, if we want to go on a path of mass ecological destruction. However don't forget they also have a lot of smaller ones and the intelligent inhabitants. Also going to be rather chaotic with its maritime dinos interacting with Earths wildlife.
Kumari Kandam might seem a more useful location, although it also has an intelligent and non-human population and is rather barren IIRC - the SV site seems to be down briefly at the moment due to some power issue. It has land connections with southern India, Australia and Madagascar which would pretty much force mixing of people and wildlife, not to mention on the longer term plant life as well.
So Kumari Kandam is basically Skull Island then? That would attract scientists to research the flora and fauna of that region. The marine reptiles would be a problem for sure since they would probably feed on whales. So I guess we could see fishing fleets or coast guards try to hunt down those Mosasaurs.
Good luck to anyone hunting Mosasaurs. Why didn't the Mosasaurs die out with the great dinosaurs extinction? If these two "Islands" had humans the Mosasaurs would already be gone.
That said, this will give us an idea of just what the Mosasaurs hunters would be up against.
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Post by gillan1220 on Apr 11, 2021 15:09:10 GMT
So Kumari Kandam is basically Skull Island then? That would attract scientists to research the flora and fauna of that region. The marine reptiles would be a problem for sure since they would probably feed on whales. So I guess we could see fishing fleets or coast guards try to hunt down those Mosasaurs.
Good luck to anyone hunting Mosasaurs. Why didn't the Mosasaurs die out with the great dinosaurs extinction? If these two "Islands" had humans the Mosasaurs would already be gone.
That said, this will give us an idea of just what the Mosasaurs hunters would be up against.
Depth charges and auto-cannons would shred these Mosasaurs to pieces. |
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