What if Kumari Kandam, Mu, and Atlantis all of suddenly became real in 2021? (But with Twist)

[triassicd]

What if Kumari Kandam, Mu, and Atlantis all of suddenly became real in 2021? How would it change the ships that go point A to point B due to three large land masses stopping them? How would nations react to the natives and to the new continents? Will nations go full on colonial on these new lands and take over the natives or will nations stand back and study or even uplift some them or a combination of both? Here is link to better understand this what if which has maps and descriptions of the people: forums.sufficientvelocity.com/threads/what-if-kumari-kandam-mu-and-atlantis-all-of-suddenly-became-real-in-2021-but-with-twist.88652/

[lordroel]

Apr 3, 2021 20:31:16 GMT triassicd said:

What if Kumari Kandam, Mu, and Atlantis all of suddenly became real in 2021? How would it change the ships that go point A to point B due to three large land masses stopping them? How would nations react to the natives and to the new continents? Will nations go full on colonial on these new lands and take over the natives or will nations stand back and study or even uplift some them or a combination of both?

So which version of Kumari Kandam, Mu, and Atlantis are we speaking of. 

[triassicd]

Apr 3, 2021 20:35:08 GMT lordroel said:

Apr 3, 2021 20:31:16 GMT triassicd said:

What if Kumari Kandam, Mu, and Atlantis all of suddenly became real in 2021? How would it change the ships that go point A to point B due to three large land masses stopping them? How would nations react to the natives and to the new continents? Will nations go full on colonial on these new lands and take over the natives or will nations stand back and study or even uplift some them or a combination of both?

So which version of Kumari Kandam, Mu, and Atlantis are we speaking of. 

The one I recently edited with the link!

[lordroel]

Apr 3, 2021 20:36:17 GMT triassicd said:

Apr 3, 2021 20:35:08 GMT lordroel said:

So which version of Kumari Kandam, Mu, and Atlantis are we speaking of. 

The one I recently edited with the link!

Well if we go by what i can find on you link and the maps posted here below, 2021 is going to get weird by a factor of a thousand +.

Kumari Kandam



Mu



Atlantis

[575]

Major problem seems to be changes in ocean currents with resulting weather changes.
The Indian Ocean will have severe disruption if this is going to upset the cycle of the Monsoon rains is out of my knowledge though as is the effect upon Western Australia.
Mu is in the middle of the Pacific home of some warm currents.

Atlantis may deflect the Golf Stream further north at least partially up the Denmark Strait heathing the East coast of Greenland with some winter cooling in northern Europe.

Are the new landmasses uplifting existing islands in the areas? If layered upon existing islands goodbye Hawaii and a number of small nations other wise some of these may find themselves waaay inland when they realize what is going on.
There may be some scramble to claim new lands. US may want to extend their territories in Mu to the new coastline and in company with Australia and New Zealand defend the rights of now landlocked islands to get a new costline.
Guess quite a lot of nations would be interested in Atlantis with its dominant posistion in the middle of Atlantic.

Colonizing.. I guess that depends upon new weather systems effects. Are we looking at huge swamps or deserts..

[575]

Where does them huge amounts of displaced water go???

[575]

Found this - advances.sciencemag.org/content/4/12/eaat9658 and a pdf on Sundaland during Last Glacial Maximum where the majority of that being no lush rainforest but a dry savanna.
Of course both is describing things in a very dry period - the Indo-Pacific Warm Pool somehow possibly connected to the occurence of LGM thus appearance of Mu and Kumari Kandam may send the earth into a drought and effecting a new Ice Age. Just a possible of course!

[stevep]

   Well even apart from the issues caused by those large land masses being inhabited, possibly especially Atlantis because of their intelligence and tech level as 575,lordroel, says its going to cause massive ecological and climatic chaos.  Earth as a whole will see more extreme temperatures simply because we're lost a lot of water and its high specific heat capacity which helps moderate climate.  As 575 says world climate and ocean currents will be totally disrupted.  Compared to that the disruption of merchant shipping is likely to be a trivial issue, albeit still important. 

  Also there are now land links between India, Australia and Madagascar which is going to cause a lot of mixing of species.  If the monsoon is disrupted then your likely to see mass deaths levels in the Indian sub-continent with also resulting political consequences.  Probably also accompanied by an Indian attempt to occupy large areas of Kumari Kandam and/or elsewhere to find new lands.  Also it totally disrupts traffic through what's left of the Indian Ocean with anything going through the Suez Canal now having to go west of Madagascar.  There is also the issue of a super volcano on this continent.  How active is that?  If a large event was triggered then things get very nasty for everybody on top of everything else.

  Similarly in the Pacific depending on what's happened to the islands and people of our world their either isolated or destroyed.  The US has lost a state and a lot of its navy and how long before Beijing starts stating claims to at least part of Mu.  Again the impacts on ocean currents is going to affect climate a lot. 

  Atlantis is markedly smaller than the other two but again will impact on trade, in this case between N America and Europe as well as quick possibly put much of western Europe into a deep freeze!  If the Gulf Stream is diverted towards Greenland that could also result in rising sea levels, although if there are glaciers advancing across large areas of Europe that could be countered somewhat.

 

[gillan1220]

Immediate effects:
- Ships would need to be rerouted. Global economic collapse
- The appearance of that continent in the Indian Ocean would mean the US and the UK loses contact with Diego Garcia including a handful of B-52s. Sri Lanka, Mauritius, Maldives, Reunion Island, and Madagascar would be in a difficult situation need the sea. This area would probably become a tension between China and India.
- US loosing the Pacific Fleet would be harsher than the attacks on Pearl Harbor in 1941.
- "Climate refugees" would need to be rerouted elsewhere. The question is where to resettle them.

[triassicd]

Apr 4, 2021 16:05:51 GMT gillan1220 said:

Immediate effects:
- Ships would need to be rerouted. Global economic collapse
- The appearance of that continent in the Indian Ocean would mean the US and the UK loses contact with Diego Garcia including a handful of B-52s. Sri Lanka, Mauritius, Maldives, Reunion Island, and Madagascar would be in a difficult situation need the sea. This area would probably become a tension between China and India.
- US loosing the Pacific Fleet would be harsher than the attacks on Pearl Harbor in 1941.
- "Climate refugees" would need to be rerouted elsewhere. The question is where to resettle them.

They could relocate them to the new continents but then again the continents are already inhabited and only continent that low population is Mu but it’s filled with dangerous dinosaurs and making a colony would really expensive which means only richest of nations could do so yeah pretty bad locate for refugees.

[triassicd]

Apr 4, 2021 12:48:40 GMT stevep said:

   Well even apart from the issues caused by those large land masses being inhabited, possibly especially Atlantis because of their intelligence and tech level as 575,lordroel, says its going to cause massive ecological and climatic chaos.  Earth as a whole will see more extreme temperatures simply because we're lost a lot of water and its high specific heat capacity which helps moderate climate.  As 575 says world climate and ocean currents will be totally disrupted.  Compared to that the disruption of merchant shipping is likely to be a trivial issue, albeit still important. 

  Also there are now land links between India, Australia and Madagascar which is going to cause a lot of mixing of species.  If the monsoon is disrupted then your likely to see mass deaths levels in the Indian sub-continent with also resulting political consequences.  Probably also accompanied by an Indian attempt to occupy large areas of Kumari Kandam and/or elsewhere to find new lands.  Also it totally disrupts traffic through what's left of the Indian Ocean with anything going through the Suez Canal now having to go west of Madagascar.  There is also the issue of a super volcano on this continent.  How active is that?  If a large event was triggered then things get very nasty for everybody on top of everything else.

  Similarly in the Pacific depending on what's happened to the islands and people of our world their either isolated or destroyed.  The US has lost a state and a lot of its navy and how long before Beijing starts stating claims to at least part of Mu.  Again the impacts on ocean currents is going to affect climate a lot. 

  Atlantis is markedly smaller than the other two but again will impact on trade, in this case between N America and Europe as well as quick possibly put much of western Europe into a deep freeze!  If the Gulf Stream is diverted towards Greenland that could also result in rising sea levels, although if there are glaciers advancing across large areas of Europe that could be countered somewhat.

 

I forget to mention it but the super volcano is dormant and it hasn’t been active for 50000 years.

[gillan1220]

Apr 4, 2021 17:36:51 GMT triassicd said:

Apr 4, 2021 16:05:51 GMT gillan1220 said:

Immediate effects:
- Ships would need to be rerouted. Global economic collapse
- The appearance of that continent in the Indian Ocean would mean the US and the UK loses contact with Diego Garcia including a handful of B-52s. Sri Lanka, Mauritius, Maldives, Reunion Island, and Madagascar would be in a difficult situation need the sea. This area would probably become a tension between China and India.
- US loosing the Pacific Fleet would be harsher than the attacks on Pearl Harbor in 1941.
- "Climate refugees" would need to be rerouted elsewhere. The question is where to resettle them.

They could relocate them to the new continents but then again the continents are already inhabited and only continent that low population is Mu but it’s filled with dangerous dinosaurs and making a colony would really expensive which means only richest of nations could do so yeah pretty bad locate for refugees.

In your scenario, do these continents appear overnight thereby wiping out entire nations?

Dinosaurs would not be a problem since we could smoke them from the air. A single AC-130 could do the job.

[stevep]

Apr 4, 2021 17:42:33 GMT triassicd said:

Apr 4, 2021 12:48:40 GMT stevep said:

   Well even apart from the issues caused by those large land masses being inhabited, possibly especially Atlantis because of their intelligence and tech level as 575 ,lordroel , says its going to cause massive ecological and climatic chaos.  Earth as a whole will see more extreme temperatures simply because we're lost a lot of water and its high specific heat capacity which helps moderate climate.  As 575 says world climate and ocean currents will be totally disrupted.  Compared to that the disruption of merchant shipping is likely to be a trivial issue, albeit still important. 

  Also there are now land links between India, Australia and Madagascar which is going to cause a lot of mixing of species.  If the monsoon is disrupted then your likely to see mass deaths levels in the Indian sub-continent with also resulting political consequences.  Probably also accompanied by an Indian attempt to occupy large areas of Kumari Kandam and/or elsewhere to find new lands.  Also it totally disrupts traffic through what's left of the Indian Ocean with anything going through the Suez Canal now having to go west of Madagascar.  There is also the issue of a super volcano on this continent.  How active is that?  If a large event was triggered then things get very nasty for everybody on top of everything else.

  Similarly in the Pacific depending on what's happened to the islands and people of our world their either isolated or destroyed.  The US has lost a state and a lot of its navy and how long before Beijing starts stating claims to at least part of Mu.  Again the impacts on ocean currents is going to affect climate a lot. 

  Atlantis is markedly smaller than the other two but again will impact on trade, in this case between N America and Europe as well as quick possibly put much of western Europe into a deep freeze!  If the Gulf Stream is diverted towards Greenland that could also result in rising sea levels, although if there are glaciers advancing across large areas of Europe that could be countered somewhat.

 

I forget to mention it but the super volcano is dormant and it hasn’t been active for 50000 years.

  Well that's a relief, as long as it stays quiet for quite a while longer.  A bit like Yellowstone or Naples then, a future threat but hopefully not for a few thousand years.

[stevep]

Apr 5, 2021 3:15:26 GMT gillan1220 said:

Apr 4, 2021 17:36:51 GMT triassicd said:

They could relocate them to the new continents but then again the continents are already inhabited and only continent that low population is Mu but it’s filled with dangerous dinosaurs and making a colony would really expensive which means only richest of nations could do so yeah pretty bad locate for refugees.

In your scenario, do these continents appear overnight thereby wiping out entire nations?

Dinosaurs would not be a problem since we could smoke them from the air. A single AC-130 could do the job.

  The larger ones yes, if we want to go on a path of mass ecological destruction.  However don't forget they also have a lot of smaller ones and the intelligent inhabitants.  Also going to be rather chaotic with its maritime dinos interacting with Earths wildlife.

  Kumari Kandam might seem a more useful location, although it also has an intelligent and non-human population and is rather barren IIRC - the SV site seems to be down briefly at the moment due to some power issue.  It has land connections with southern India, Australia and Madagascar which would pretty much force mixing of people and wildlife, not to mention on the longer term plant life as well.

[gillan1220]

Apr 5, 2021 10:22:53 GMT stevep said:

Apr 5, 2021 3:15:26 GMT gillan1220 said:

In your scenario, do these continents appear overnight thereby wiping out entire nations?

Dinosaurs would not be a problem since we could smoke them from the air. A single AC-130 could do the job.

  The larger ones yes, if we want to go on a path of mass ecological destruction.  However don't forget they also have a lot of smaller ones and the intelligent inhabitants.  Also going to be rather chaotic with its maritime dinos interacting with Earths wildlife.

  Kumari Kandam might seem a more useful location, although it also has an intelligent and non-human population and is rather barren IIRC - the SV site seems to be down briefly at the moment due to some power issue.  It has land connections with southern India, Australia and Madagascar which would pretty much force mixing of people and wildlife, not to mention on the longer term plant life as well.

So Kumari Kandam is basically Skull Island then? That would attract scientists to research the flora and fauna of that region. The marine reptiles would be a problem for sure since they would probably feed on whales. So I guess we could see fishing fleets or coast guards try to hunt down those Mosasaurs.