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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 16, 2021 18:11:24 GMT
This is my analysis
From what I have read, Ilocanos only started being a majority in N.Luzon and asserting themselves after WWII and they adjust and partially assimilate to the people that they migrating in
which they did not do after WWII(they used to speak Ibanag and Pangasinense prior to WWII as 2nd languages in Pangasinan and Region 2), I think in this scenario, the sooner Luzon will be more majorly Tagalog speaking than OTL since the nobility there prefered Tagalog over anything else(which they are either covert or overt in displaying even outside of the Tagalog speaking areas) and WWII destroyed their power there, I think those diaspora Ilocanos in regions 2-3 would shift to tagalog as their second language and would be gradually assimilated outside Ilocos, I think Luzon might recover and reestablish their identity and history sooner(It hasn't even now IOTL).
Prior to WWII Visayans and Mindanaoans have stronger nationalism, I think they might have a chance of reasserting their independence here since the independentist sentiments there would be strong since Zamboanga and Cebu had their own independent Nationalism.
I think it could turn into a Yugoslavia situation in this case but the three island groups being split.
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 17, 2021 4:42:00 GMT
So a balkanized Philippines?
Imagine Luzon having several nations. While Visayas would be a united Republic. Meanwhile, Mindanao would be split between Muslims and Christians.
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 17, 2021 7:57:05 GMT
So a balkanized Philippines? Imagine Luzon having several nations. While Visayas would be a united Republic. Meanwhile, Mindanao would be split between Muslims and Christians. It would not be the case since Luzon only has one set of Nobility, so a more Tagalized Luzon is in cards here and I read that Luzon already had Tagalog as informal lingua franca/working language in Luzon sometime prior to the Americans coming in, WWII set back that development. Visayas would split into many republics, Cebu and the Federal Republic of Visayas are likely revived. I think Mindanao would be more Chavacano speaking as well. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 17, 2021 11:39:35 GMT
So a balkanized Philippines? Imagine Luzon having several nations. While Visayas would be a united Republic. Meanwhile, Mindanao would be split between Muslims and Christians. It would not be the case since Luzon only has one set of Nobility, so a more Tagalized Luzon is in cards here and I read that Luzon already had Tagalog as informal lingua franca/working language in Luzon sometime prior to the Americans coming in, WWII set back that development. Visayas would split into many republics, Cebu and the Federal Republic of Visayas are likely revived. I think Mindanao would be more Chavacano speaking as well. So I could see a Luzon Federation. Visayas will like be an achipelagic state since the individual provinces do not have enough resources to be independent island countries. Maybe for Mindanao, the east and central portions could be the Chavacano portion while Zamboanga will be a Muslim-dominated country. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 17, 2021 12:02:18 GMT
It would not be the case since Luzon only has one set of Nobility, so a more Tagalized Luzon is in cards here and I read that Luzon already had Tagalog as informal lingua franca/working language in Luzon sometime prior to the Americans coming in, WWII set back that development. Visayas would split into many republics, Cebu and the Federal Republic of Visayas are likely revived. I think Mindanao would be more Chavacano speaking as well. So I could see a Luzon Federation. Visayas will like be an achipelagic state since the individual provinces do not have enough resources to be independent island countries. Maybe for Mindanao, the east and central portions could be the Chavacano portion while Zamboanga will be a Muslim-dominated country. They don't need a federation to promote the other languages since the other languages would not have majorities outside of Ilocos and Bicol. I think a unification of Mindanao and Visayas is possible but Mindanao might have Chavacano majority . |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 17, 2021 12:06:21 GMT
So I could see a Luzon Federation. Visayas will like be an achipelagic state since the individual provinces do not have enough resources to be independent island countries. Maybe for Mindanao, the east and central portions could be the Chavacano portion while Zamboanga will be a Muslim-dominated country. They don't need a federation to promote the other languages since the other languages would not have majorities outside of Ilocos and Bicol. I think a unification of Mindanao and Visayas is possible but Mindanao might have Chavacano majority . What should we call this union of the Visayan islands and Mindanao be? |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 17, 2021 12:19:27 GMT
They don't need a federation to promote the other languages since the other languages would not have majorities outside of Ilocos and Bicol. I think a unification of Mindanao and Visayas is possible but Mindanao might have Chavacano majority . What should we call this union of the Visayan islands and Mindanao be? Federal republic of Visayas and Mindanao. |
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 17, 2021 13:48:12 GMT
What should we call this union of the Visayan islands and Mindanao be? Federal republic of Visayas and Mindanao. Good enough. I wonder whose economy and military is stronger between the Luzon or Visayas-Mindanao. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 17, 2021 17:17:25 GMT
Federal republic of Visayas and Mindanao. Good enough. I wonder whose economy and military is stronger between the Luzon or Visayas-Mindanao. It depends on their regional orientation but Visayas Mindanao might ally with Latin American nations since it is partly Chavacano speaking. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jun 18, 2021 6:06:29 GMT
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Post by gillan1220 on Jun 18, 2021 12:40:01 GMT
Good enough. I wonder whose economy and military is stronger between the Luzon or Visayas-Mindanao. It depends on their regional orientation but Visayas Mindanao might ally with Latin American nations since it is partly Chavacano speaking. I could see the citizens of VisMin be allowed to served in the Spanish Armed Forces similar to how Latin American citizens have that privilege. In OTL, only the Philippines and Puerto Rico are excluded from that privilege. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Jul 13, 2021 8:23:29 GMT
It depends on their regional orientation but Visayas Mindanao might ally with Latin American nations since it is partly Chavacano speaking. I could see the citizens of VisMin be allowed to served in the Spanish Armed Forces similar to how Latin American citizens have that privilege. In OTL, only the Philippines and Puerto Rico are excluded from that privilege. An independent Mindanao would also be possible and Mindanao would be the only Romance speaking country in Asia. |
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