Best of Space Bats & Butterflies

[dalecoz]

I’m not sure if this is the right place to put this, but in the last year I’ve published three novel-length collections of alternate history scenarios and short stories under the label Best of Space Bats & Butterflies. So far they are Kindle only and you can find them, plus ten AH novels, by searching for Dale Cozort on Amazon.

Some of the stories and essays are definitely in ASB territory. Others are straight AH from every era imaginable.

www.amazon.com/Best-Space-Bats-Butterflies-Alternate-ebook/dp/B08H4HHCNH/

[lordroel]

Oct 23, 2021 18:06:29 GMT dalecoz said:

I’m not sure if this is the right place to put this, but in the last year I’ve published three novel-length collections of alternate history scenarios and short stories under the label Best of Space Bats & Butterflies. So far they are Kindle only and you can find them, plus ten AH novels, by searching for Dale Cozort on Amazon.

Well this is the ASB board and we did not have a Best of Space Bats & Butterflies thread here, so it is the right place.

Also will check out your novel and see what is in it.

[lordroel]

My first pick would be Out of the Bay of Woe - an RN 1946(ish)-1914 ISOT on AH.com about a Royal Navy task force from 1946 consisting of the battleships Vanguard, King George V, Duke of York, Anson and Howe. The cruisers Renown, Belfast, Nigeria and Gambia, Birmingham,Swiftsure, London, Sussex, Berwick, Cumberland, Kent and Suffolk and the cruiser-minelayers Manxman and Ariadne being send back to 1914.

[simon darkshade]

Why is that a pick for one of the best?

I’ll grant you it is one of the more recent, but it isn’t particularly original or groundbreaking and hasn’t progressed a long way yet. It is decently written but hasn’t really hit any heights yet. There have been a lot better works on that benighted website alone.

As for you work, Dale, I’ll have to get one and have a read when I can afford it.

[lordroel]

Oct 24, 2021 7:53:49 GMT simon darkshade said:

I’ll grant you it is one of the more recent, but it isn’t particularly original or groundbreaking and hasn’t progressed a long way yet. It is decently written but hasn’t really hit any heights yet. There have been a lot better works on that benighted website alone.

It is one i recently found, yes there are better out there on that forum, just have not found them yet.

[stevep]

Oct 23, 2021 19:54:14 GMT lordroel said:

My first pick would be Out of the Bay of Woe - an RN 1946(ish)-1914 ISOT on AH.com about a Royal Navy task force from 1946 consisting of the battleships Vanguard, King George V, Duke of York, Anson and Howe. The cruisers Renown, Belfast, Nigeria and Gambia, Birmingham,Swiftsure, London, Sussex, Berwick, Cumberland, Kent and Suffolk and the cruiser-minelayers Manxman and Ariadne being send back to 1914.

  Now that is an interesting option.  Both for the military potential and what the up-timers would know about coming social and political changes.  Could be rather awkward for the Royal family in terms of what happens to Edward VIII as well.  As long as its too much of a straight-forward wank.  Could be interesting if they arrived early enough in 1914 to change a certain visit to Sarajevo and prevented, or at least delayed WWI. 

[lordroel]

Oct 24, 2021 11:10:08 GMT stevep said:

Oct 23, 2021 19:54:14 GMT lordroel said:

My first pick would be Out of the Bay of Woe - an RN 1946(ish)-1914 ISOT on AH.com about a Royal Navy task force from 1946 consisting of the battleships Vanguard, King George V, Duke of York, Anson and Howe. The cruisers Renown, Belfast, Nigeria and Gambia, Birmingham,Swiftsure, London, Sussex, Berwick, Cumberland, Kent and Suffolk and the cruiser-minelayers Manxman and Ariadne being send back to 1914.

  Now that is an interesting option.  Both for the military potential and what the up-timers would know about coming social and political changes.  Could be rather awkward for the Royal family in terms of what happens to Edward VIII as well.

Also interesting if the 1914 Germans do get their hands on either a 1946 ship ore some of its crew and know what will come, that by 1918 neither the Empire of Germany, Russia and Austria-Hungary will exist.

Heck the Kaiser could make peace with Russia by telling him what is about to happen and focus all his attention towards the Western Front.

[stevep]

Oct 24, 2021 11:14:26 GMT lordroel said:

Oct 24, 2021 11:10:08 GMT stevep said:

  Now that is an interesting option.  Both for the military potential and what the up-timers would know about coming social and political changes.  Could be rather awkward for the Royal family in terms of what happens to Edward VIII as well.

Also interesting if the 1914 Germans do get their hands on either a 1946 ship ore some of its crew and know what will come, that by 1918 neither the Empire of Germany, Russia and Austria-Hungary will exist.

Heck the Kaiser could make peace with Russia by telling him what is about to happen and focus all his attention towards the Western Front.

  One thing that might be a factor here, if the author is aware of it.  A lot of the big RN ships had large databases in microfiche type formats.  Apparently the Hood, given its size was famous for this with many design details for ships and equipment over the previous couple of decades.  - Found out about this in a TL on the naval fiction site where both Bismarck and Hood were recreated in ~1916  IIRC with the crews who died in the OTL clashes being restored to life and one of the readers mentioned it.  Unfortunately the TL didn't go very far but if the same procedure is still in place in 1946 as in 1941 there is a massive wealth of technical data available as well as what the crews of the ships can supply.  - Had a brief look at the 1st page of the TL and it had Admiral Vian - who had experience of commanding the carrier force in the Pacific in 1944-45 in charge and mentioned this so suspect the author was going to play that up, although how practical that might be in WWI I don't know.  Mind you the catapult a/c that are likely with some of the ships would be a huge advance on what's available in WWI.

[lordroel]

Oct 24, 2021 15:22:01 GMT stevep said:

Oct 24, 2021 11:14:26 GMT lordroel said:

Also interesting if the 1914 Germans do get their hands on either a 1946 ship ore some of its crew and know what will come, that by 1918 neither the Empire of Germany, Russia and Austria-Hungary will exist.

Heck the Kaiser could make peace with Russia by telling him what is about to happen and focus all his attention towards the Western Front.

  One thing that might be a factor here, if the author is aware of it.  A lot of the big RN ships had large databases in microfiche type formats.  Apparently the Hood, given its size was famous for this with many design details for ships and equipment over the previous couple of decades.  - Found out about this in a TL on the naval fiction site where both Bismarck and Hood were recreated in ~1916  IIRC with the crews who died in the OTL clashes being restored to life and one of the readers mentioned it.  Unfortunately the TL didn't go very far but if the same procedure is still in place in 1946 as in 1941 there is a massive wealth of technical data available as well as what the crews of the ships can supply.  - Had a brief look at the 1st page of the TL and it had Admiral Vian - who had experience of commanding the carrier force in the Pacific in 1944-45 in charge and mentioned this so suspect the author was going to play that up, although how practical that might be in WWI I don't know.  Mind you the catapult a/c that are likely with some of the ships would be a huge advance on what's available in WWI.

Think it is also mentioned in the France fights On TL where the Japanese dive to the Prince of Wales i think and mange to find some stuff onboard.