Dragon's Fury - World War against America and the West

[gillan1220]

Suggested by lordroel last year to me, I only began reading this yesterday. I'm still at page 186. It's a long read of over 700 pages! Better, it can be downloaded for free by the author.

jeffhead.webs.com/dragonsfury/index.htm

Anyways, cutting to the chase.

There are multiple POD's to this novel:
- 1st is a minor POD is in 1970 wherein a Vietnamese lieutenant designs a great innovation for the Vietnam People's Navy on how to counter American warships using silent torpedoes. The Vietnamese lieutenant has a grudge on the United States as his family was killed in a Special Forces raid. Due to the expensive and difficult task, the project is discarded. However, a janitor picks up the plans and passes it on the People's Republic in China.
- By 1996, the Vietnamese lieutenant has been living in China for the past twenty years. He is then commissioned by the People's Liberation Army Navy to create new designs for warships that could counter America. Some of these designed are torpedoes that are too fast to be countered and detected dubbed by the Pentagon as Long Range Anti-Ship Devices (LRSAD).
- Bill Clinton apparently turned over a U.S. military base in Tarawa (Kiribati) to the PRC.
- For some odd reason, India and China form an economic union called the Coalition of Asian States (CAS). It would soon absorb Mongolia, Myanmar, Laos, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and North Korea to its sphere.
- George W. Bush does not seek reelection in 2004. He is succeeded by a figure akin to Norman Schwarzkopf Jr.
- The Great Islamic Republic is formed in 2005 with the merger of Iran, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Afghanistan. Later it would expand to get Iraq, Kurdistan, and Pakistan. As an offshoot to the GIR in the continent of Africa, Libya and Chad soon join in.
- In November 2005, the U.S. and allies fail to defend Kurdistan from the GIR forces. Dubbed as the "Kurdistan Phony War".
- The Great Islamic Republic allies itself with the Coalition of Asian States while benifiting from natural resources provided by the Russian Federations.
- War between the United States and allies vs. the Great Islamic Republic erupts in February 2006 as the GIR plans to engulf Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Israel, and Egypt into its growing empire.
- The Sino-American War erupts in March 2006 after the reignition of the Korean War, a Chinese naval attack on the U.S. Pacific Fleet which sinks two carriers (the USS John C. Stennis and the USS Constellation, two SSNs (USS Jefferson City, USS Salt Lake City), and multiple surface vessels including the USS Peleliu, the USS Lake Chaplain, the USS Jarret, and the USS Thach), the near-destruction of the British fleet (sunk is the HMS Ocean, HMS Albion, one Type 23 frigate, and two Type 42 destroyers. The HMS Illustrious is damaged but limps away to safety along with a Type 42 destroyer and two Type 22 frigates. They are promptly ordered back to Britain) and a Chinese attack on the U.S. mainland using cargo ships converted into tactical attack ships that were no less designed by the same Vietnamese lieutenant who is angry at the United States for the suffering it caused to his family during the Vietnam War.

To be continued as I read the story.

[simon darkshade]

It is very much one of the worst things I have read. Characterisation is rarely above the level of a child’s cartoon, dialogue is ridiculous and the plot is simply rubbish. Whole nations are reduced not just to caricature, but to utter farce. However, it is abundantly clear that the author meant this all very, very seriously.

His politics are worn far more openly than Tom Clancy at his most gauche, with a lengthy sequence of a scientific breakthrough disproving the notion of abortion being shoved in for no reason beyond the author thinking that way. There is also another lengthy sequence of a liberal strawman journalist being convicted of treason and his execution graphically described.

It has no redeeming characteristics and cannot be excused by the politics of the time. Not only should it not be read nor recommended, but it should be allowed to fade away into the darkness of the old internet like the conspiracy theory-ridden dross it is.

[stevep]

   From gillan1220 , description it sounds like a real mess.  The idea of the GIR for instance including Iran and a number of Sunni states, then later including Pakistan and others would be a recipe for civil war inside it because of the Sunni/Shia differences.  Ditto with the idea of a union between India and China, which then links up with the GIR given the number of old rivalries that would be involved there.  Or that Russia, even under an idiot like Putin, wouldn't realise how big a threat that would be to Russian interests. 

  From simon darkshade, comments he's read at least parts of the book and it sounds like the quality as a novel as well as the logic is pretty horrendous.

[simon darkshade]

I've read the whole thing back when it was new and it was pretty silly even for back then.

We start with invincible supercavitating weapons destroying the whole USN surface fleet, then move to Metal Storm equipped drone cruise missiles, space frigates going mining in the asteroid belt and other sheer dross.

[stevep]

Jan 6, 2022 11:46:01 GMT simon darkshade said:

I've read the whole thing back when it was new and it was pretty silly even for back then.

We start with invincible supercavitating weapons destroying the whole USN surface fleet, then move to Metal Storm equipped drone cruise missiles, space frigates going mining in the asteroid belt and other sheer dross.

  Ugh that sounds a real mess.  Many/all of those things may well be possible but all together in a similar time scale is a highly improbable combination.  Plus the logical and other errors mentioned by you and gillan1220,  Have a feeling from the name I probably saw it when it was new but think I was lucky enough to give it a miss.

[miletus12]

I found one idea and only one to have merit in this morass.

The PRC are after Kirabati.

[simon darkshade]

Not even the broken clock principle applies to this car accident.

[ukron]

To speak the truth, that's feel like an ultra-hawkish agenda where every nation which isn't alignated to Washington's policy is just an opponement of freedom.
I am just waiting for the "European socialists (aka France and Germany) which betray America in the back" trope.

[ukron]

Jan 6, 2022 22:54:38 GMT miletus12 said:

I found one idea and only one to have merit in this morass.

The PRC are after Kirabati.

www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3159253/how-equatorial-guinea-became-backdrop-china-us-rivalry

Reports suggest that the African nation of Equatorial Guinea could become home to a Chinese military base
‘If China were to establish a naval supply station … it would be different from what the US has imagined,’ says state-backed Global Times


Add also the quite forgotten issue with New Caledonia, where French intelligence service repport have shown that various links exist between Bejing and local pro-independence movements.

[simon darkshade]

For the author, Logistix is simply an Asterix character.

[gillan1220]

To be fair, I'm oddly enjoying the novel despite the so much free hand the author has given China, the Coalition of Asian States, and the Greater Islamic Republic a free hand.

What's funny is Sino-Indian and Sino-Pakistan tensions disappeared overnight since President Jien Zemin (an obvious analogy to President Jiang Zhemin) wanted to create a version of the Great East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere that Tojo could have only dreamt of.

It seems the author is one of those far-right survivalist-militia type of American who believes that the United Nations led by China, Russia, and an Islamic Coalition is poised to destroy America and conquer the world. Somehow, it gives shades of the Christian movie called The Omega Code.

[lordroel]

Jan 8, 2022 4:23:00 GMT gillan1220 said:

To be fair, I'm oddly enjoying the novel despite the so much free hand the author has given China, the Coalition of Asian States, and the Greater Islamic Republic a free hand.

What's funny is Sino-Indian and Sino-Pakistan tensions disappeared overnight since President Jien Zemin (an obvious analogy to President Jiang Zhemin) wanted to create a version of the Great East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere that Tojo could have only dreamt of.

It seems the author is one of those far-right survivalist-militia type of American who believes that the United Nations led by China, Russia, and an Islamic Coalition is poised to destroy America and conquer the world. Somehow, it gives shades of the Christian movie called The Omega Code.

Ore what about Megiddo: The Omega Code 2 where it is the Devil and Europe versus China, Mexico and the United States.

[miletus12]

Jan 8, 2022 8:41:14 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 8, 2022 4:23:00 GMT gillan1220 said:

To be fair, I'm oddly enjoying the novel despite the so much free hand the author has given China, the Coalition of Asian States, and the Greater Islamic Republic a free hand.

What's funny is Sino-Indian and Sino-Pakistan tensions disappeared overnight since President Jien Zemin (an obvious analogy to President Jiang Zhemin) wanted to create a version of the Great East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere that Tojo could have only dreamt of.

It seems the author is one of those far-right survivalist-militia type of American who believes that the United Nations led by China, Russia, and an Islamic Coalition is poised to destroy America and conquer the world. Somehow, it gives shades of the Christian movie called The Omega Code.

Ore what about Megiddo: The Omega Code 2 where it is the Devil and Europe versus China, Mexico and the United States.

Okay, two comments. I knew that R. Lee Ermey had a few screws loose on the motherboard, but to play POTUS in this farce shows he was short a few marbles in the old bean bag.  Second comment; the name "Breckenridge" comes up in American history, but not in a good way. The first time, John C. Breckenridge turned traitor and levied war against the United States after he lost his run for the Presidency. The saying is, "Rotten apples from the rotten tree fall not far." He had a familial descendant. Breckenridge Long. Needless to say, he lived down to his ancestor's low reputation. Come to think of it, a lot of the Breckenridges turned out to not be very good people...

[simon darkshade]

I’d say that the late Ermey, like other actors, was simply doing a job in order to get paid. Money is money and a role, even if be utterly silly, gives that cash that spends just as well as a Shakespearean role; Michael Caine once commented:

“First of all, I choose the great roles, and if none of these come, I choose the mediocre ones, and if they don't come, I choose the ones that pay the rent…(On Jaws: The Revenge) 1987)] I have never seen it, but by all accounts it is terrible. However, I have seen the house that it built, and it is terrific.“

What sells me on that notion is that he had worked with the director before on 1989’s The Siege of Firebase Gloria. It seems most likely to be “take any role for money” + “I’ve worked with this chap before and like him” rather than “I believe in this role, script and picture above anything else”.

Secondly, the background history on Breckenridge is all correct, but do you really believe that, based on the synopsis of the film, the reputation of the director and a critical rating of 10/100, they got that deep into the process of historical allusion? It isn’t impossible, but dashed unlikely.

[gillan1220]

Jan 8, 2022 8:41:14 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 8, 2022 4:23:00 GMT gillan1220 said:

To be fair, I'm oddly enjoying the novel despite the so much free hand the author has given China, the Coalition of Asian States, and the Greater Islamic Republic a free hand.

What's funny is Sino-Indian and Sino-Pakistan tensions disappeared overnight since President Jien Zemin (an obvious analogy to President Jiang Zhemin) wanted to create a version of the Great East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere that Tojo could have only dreamt of.

It seems the author is one of those far-right survivalist-militia type of American who believes that the United Nations led by China, Russia, and an Islamic Coalition is poised to destroy America and conquer the world. Somehow, it gives shades of the Christian movie called The Omega Code.

Ore what about Megiddo: The Omega Code 2 where it is the Devil and Europe versus China, Mexico and the United States.

China allying with the U.S.? That only happened in Red Dawn, Resident Evil: Dead Aim, Command and Conquer: Generals, and Call of Duty: Black Ops II (if one gets the perfect ending) and III.

Anyways back to the topic of Dragon's Fury, I am still in the time when the U.S. got kicked out of Diego Garcia by the Indians.