Dragon's Fury - World War against America and the West

[gillan1220]

I also forgot to mention.

While the West is fighting a losing war against the Sino-Indian-Iranian alliance, groups of Latino terrorists and Chinese sleeper agents are doing acts of terrorism and sabotage around the United States. The Latino terrorists mostly do mass shootings in malls or public places right before the State home guards and armed civilians fight them before the cops and NG arrives. The Chinese sleeper agents are destroying dams or messing around with the U.S. efforts to expand the war into space.

Both groups are there to disrupt and sow fear and confusion among Americans at home. As usual, the author gave them a free hand before the hand of justice could be delivered.

I later learned these Latino terrorists want to make Pan-Latino movement that rival the United States in the same hemisphere. This movement is supported by the CAS and the GIR. Also, Argentina and Bolivia have declared their allegiance to the Beijing-New Delhi-Tehran coalition.

[lukedalton]

Jan 13, 2022 16:15:21 GMT gillan1220 said:

I also forgot to mention.

While the West is fighting a losing war against the Sino-Indian-Iranian alliance, groups of Latino terrorists and Chinese sleeper agents are doing acts of terrorism and sabotage around the United States. The Latino terrorists mostly do mass shootings in malls or public places right before the State home guards and armed civilians fight them before the cops and NG arrives. The Chinese sleeper agents are destroying dams or messing around with the U.S. efforts to expand the war into space.

Both groups are there to disrupt and sow fear and confusion among Americans at home. As usual, the author gave them a free hand before the hand of justice could be delivered.

I later learned these Latino terrorists want to make Pan-Latino movement that rival the United States in the same hemisphere. This movement is supported by the CAS and the GIR. Also, Argentina and Bolivia have declared their allegiance to the Beijing-New Delhi-Tehran coalition.

'No sir, no i assure you that in this story there is no fearmongering and not so hidden racism or anti-immigrant bias, i swear'
Better note that the terrorist are stopped by basically eliminate any gun control law for now and forever, arming civilian so they can act they movie fant...ehm protect themself by the evil terrorist and abudant use of torture/enached interrogation rip off some scene from 24 and mission impossible...no i'm not kidding'
Oh there will be no more woman in combat in the army due to what happened in Korea, as the surviving women are basically used as sex slaves by the Yellow Peril enchmen (...sorry i can't even call them chinese or north korean soldiers anymore) so by law they stop permitting women to fight on first line, i not remember well if they merely do that or even stop women to serve but sure, the USA (Fuck Yeah) are under siege by the barbarian horde of half of the world (the colored world to be precise) but please we can't use women in combat...they have freckles and they can be dishonorated by the evil foreigner

Let's say that the politics of Mr. Head are not very hard to fathom and the story is just some level of political wish fullfilment without any real planning or reasoning behind it.

Seem strange or petty i let you all decide but the bit that litteraly made me stop reading it for a little, was the once the USA (Fuck Yeah) have convinced his european allies to reject the peace proposal from the enemy coalion, because naturally this pesky French and their euro patners are cowards that want just one excuse to stop fighting, some time later they refuse to loan them one of their uberbattlestation so to lower their projected loss. Sure the american reasoning is that study project slightly more loss on their front than in the european one, so while the european that are still on the war due to them being conviced by you at the same time are given the middle finger when ask support and ordered as member of the warsaw pact 

[lukedalton]

Jan 13, 2022 15:59:07 GMT simon darkshade said:

I think we can all agree that the author’s sense of military scale and logistics was simply absent. There is the kernel of an idea here, but it wasn’t well executed.

Luke, I remember reading the original thread on AH.com and thinking that the big problem from the start was that everyone was setting their own pet parameters. Much of it later ended up as great, albeit coloured by people’s areas of interest and some degree of wish fulfilment. The screwiness of events did continue; I remember one chap over on TBOverse posting about an event where the entire Politburo was assassinated in comic book graphic style, thus introducing something a bit troublesome for continuity.

To do something like that properly, there needs to be an agreement from the start as to the general situation before people utterly cut loose with playing. The problem with casually introducing something like a Soviet occupied Britain is that it really limits a large part of the world from the get-go.

Being an order of battle aficionado of decades, I like the idea of a fully mobilised U.S. Army as an intellectual exercise, but it wasn’t fully explored as there hadn’t been the same type of history of its expansion as Jan/Bernard did for the British Army. It removes the baseline.

Rolling this back to Dragon’s Fury, that is part of the problem. By creating imaginarily huge armies at the start, Mr Head limited what could possibly stop those enemies, forcing himself into a vicious cycle of having to create new tech. By not basing the beginning of the scenario in some form of reality, it makes it difficult to adhere to logic down the line.

In my own Dark Earth works, for example, I tried to keep to some recognisable frameworks and numbers in the 1945-50 timeframe, creating a non-outlandish basis for Korean War mobilisation and Cold War expansion. I spent time doing research, reading up US Army divisional histories and postwar plans for the ANG and Reserve and eventually finding the frequently mentioned but very hard to find 1952 Lisbon force goals. I then scaled them up to fit the setting, but worked in what I hope was a logical trajectory of force size. Dragon’s Fury does not do that, creating 20 armoured divisions where in @, there were/are 2.

Yep i know as said without a steady hand at the helm things really gone beyond any control and once gone to HPCA really really derailed, i personally fought a battle to keep things on the european sector at least on the manageable part...even if the fixation that the european army basically couped their goverment that were infiltrated by communist to keep Europe neutral was a little too much for me. Sure i swear boys, keeping the continent neutral during WW3 will be a such controversial political decision, nobody will support it/s

[gillan1220]

Jan 13, 2022 18:24:21 GMT lukedalton said:

Jan 13, 2022 16:15:21 GMT gillan1220 said:

I also forgot to mention.

While the West is fighting a losing war against the Sino-Indian-Iranian alliance, groups of Latino terrorists and Chinese sleeper agents are doing acts of terrorism and sabotage around the United States. The Latino terrorists mostly do mass shootings in malls or public places right before the State home guards and armed civilians fight them before the cops and NG arrives. The Chinese sleeper agents are destroying dams or messing around with the U.S. efforts to expand the war into space.

Both groups are there to disrupt and sow fear and confusion among Americans at home. As usual, the author gave them a free hand before the hand of justice could be delivered.

I later learned these Latino terrorists want to make Pan-Latino movement that rival the United States in the same hemisphere. This movement is supported by the CAS and the GIR. Also, Argentina and Bolivia have declared their allegiance to the Beijing-New Delhi-Tehran coalition.

'No sir, no i assure you that in this story there is no fearmongering and not so hidden racism or anti-immigrant bias, i swear'
Better note that the terrorist are stopped by basically eliminate any gun control law for now and forever, arming civilian so they can act they movie fant...ehm protect themself by the evil terrorist and abudant use of torture/enached interrogation rip off some scene from 24 and mission impossible...no i'm not kidding'
Oh there will be no more woman in combat in the army due to what happened in Korea, as the surviving women are basically used as sex slaves by the Yellow Peril enchmen (...sorry i can't even call them chinese or north korean soldiers anymore) so by law they stop permitting women to fight on first line, i not remember well if they merely do that or even stop women to serve but sure, the USA (Fuck Yeah) are under siege by the barbarian horde of half of the world (the colored world to be precise) but please we can't use women in combat...they have freckles and they can be dishonorated by the evil foreigner

Let's say that the politics of Mr. Head are not very hard to fathom and the story is just some level of political wish fullfilment without any real planning or reasoning behind it.

Seem strange or petty i let you all decide but the bit that litteraly made me stop reading it for a little, was the once the USA (Fuck Yeah) have convinced his european allies to reject the peace proposal from the enemy coalion, because naturally this pesky French and their euro patners are cowards that want just one excuse to stop fighting, some time later they refuse to loan them one of their uberbattlestation so to lower their projected loss. Sure the american reasoning is that study project slightly more loss on their front than in the european one, so while the european that are still on the war due to them being conviced by you at the same time are given the middle finger when ask support and ordered as member of the warsaw pact 

Those Latino terrorists wanted to recreate Aztlan and reclaim land ceded to the United States during the Mexican-American War in 1848.

[gillan1220]

I'm now in the chapter were the two Mexican terrorists are captured by JSOC. As this happens, Australia's fate hangs in the balance. The GIR has absorbed Ethiopia and Kenya on its big bloc.

EDIT: I forgot to add Greece and Bulgaria also joined the GIR. Apparently, all of Western Europe and the United Kingdom adapted the Euro as its official currency.

[lordroel]

Jan 23, 2022 16:16:02 GMT gillan1220 said:

I'm now in the chapter were the two Mexican terrorists are captured by JSOC. As this happens, Australia's fate hangs in the balance. The GIR has absorbed Ethiopia and Kenya on its big bloc.

EDIT: I forgot to add Greece and Bulgaria also joined the GIR. Apparently, all of Western Europe and the United Kingdom adapted the Euro as its official currency.

Why Greece, i always assume Turkey would join the evil side. 

[gillan1220]

Jan 23, 2022 16:22:07 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 23, 2022 16:16:02 GMT gillan1220 said:

I'm now in the chapter were the two Mexican terrorists are captured by JSOC. As this happens, Australia's fate hangs in the balance. The GIR has absorbed Ethiopia and Kenya on its big bloc.

EDIT: I forgot to add Greece and Bulgaria also joined the GIR. Apparently, all of Western Europe and the United Kingdom adapted the Euro as its official currency.

Why Greece, i always assume Turkey would join the evil side. 

Turkey was in the allied side until it fell to the GIR.

[gillan1220]

Russia joins the war...on the side of the Allies! Complete plot twist. The Coalition of Asian States played the long game to con Moscow until it was too late. With that, Siberia declares independence and aligns itself with the CAS.

[ukron]

Geopoliticians and other international policy scholars in this universe: F.... I give up.

[gillan1220]

Jan 26, 2022 7:11:27 GMT ukron said:

Geopoliticians and other international policy scholars in this universe: F.... I give up.

The President of the Russian Federation in this book is someone named Vladimyr Pyuten. Totally unrelated to real-life politicians. As we speak, NATO and neutral Scandanivian countries have contributed to the defense of the Urals. After the Sino-Indian-Arab coalition manages to defeat the Russian-Scandinavian blockade of the Urals, the final showdown in Moscow begins!

Part of the Moscow defenses are 10,000 American personnel who aiding the Russians with the Patriot PAC-2 missile batteries that were quickly deployed around Moscow.

[lordroel]

Jan 26, 2022 11:58:48 GMT gillan1220 said:

Jan 26, 2022 7:11:27 GMT ukron said:

Geopoliticians and other international policy scholars in this universe: F.... I give up.

The President of the Russian Federation in this book is someone named Vladimyr Pyuten. Totally unrelated to real-life politicians. As we speak, NATO and neutral Scandanivian countries have contributed to the defense of the Urals. After the Sino-Indian-Arab coalition manages to defeat the Russian-Scandinavian blockade of the Urals, the final showdown in Moscow begins!

Part of the Moscow defenses are 10,000 American personnel who aiding the Russians with the Patriot PAC-2 missile batteries that were quickly deployed around Moscow.

Of course the Americans have to save the day in Russia with their Patriot PAC-2 missile batteries, seems the author thinks the A-135 anti-ballistic missile system and the S-300 missile system that surround Moscow are not good enough.

[gillan1220]

Jan 26, 2022 15:00:35 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 26, 2022 11:58:48 GMT gillan1220 said:

The President of the Russian Federation in this book is someone named Vladimyr Pyuten. Totally unrelated to real-life politicians. As we speak, NATO and neutral Scandanivian countries have contributed to the defense of the Urals. After the Sino-Indian-Arab coalition manages to defeat the Russian-Scandinavian blockade of the Urals, the final showdown in Moscow begins!

Part of the Moscow defenses are 10,000 American personnel who aiding the Russians with the Patriot PAC-2 missile batteries that were quickly deployed around Moscow.

Of course the Americans have to save the day in Russia with their Patriot PAC-2 missile batteries, seems the author thinks the A-135 anti-ballistic missile system and the S-300 missile system that surround Moscow are not good enough.

I used to think the Russians have the thickest and best air defense system in the world. Yet, since the author wants to go "America, F*ck Yeah", time to add Patriot Missiles to the A-135s and S-300s because "USA best country in the world".

[lordroel]

Jan 26, 2022 16:33:36 GMT gillan1220 said:

Jan 26, 2022 15:00:35 GMT lordroel said:

Of course the Americans have to save the day in Russia with their Patriot PAC-2 missile batteries, seems the author thinks the A-135 anti-ballistic missile system and the S-300 missile system that surround Moscow are not good enough.

I used to think the Russians have the thickest and best air defense system in the world. Yet, since the author wants to go "America, F*ck Yeah", time to add Patriot Missiles to the A-135s and S-300s because "USA best country in the world".

In Dragon's Fury - World War against America and the West it is America the Best, suck the rest.

[gillan1220]

Jan 26, 2022 16:37:50 GMT lordroel said:

Jan 26, 2022 16:33:36 GMT gillan1220 said:

I used to think the Russians have the thickest and best air defense system in the world. Yet, since the author wants to go "America, F*ck Yeah", time to add Patriot Missiles to the A-135s and S-300s because "USA best country in the world".

In Dragon's Fury - World War against America and the West it is America the Best, suck the rest.

But first, we need the unholy Sino-African-Arab-Indian-*insert any yellow/brown/Muslim people* (no racist, just a pun on the author's views) coalition to give America and her allies the black eye before they come back screaming "Don't mess with America, F*ck Yeah" with a vengeance.

[lordroel]

Jan 26, 2022 16:56:05 GMT gillan1220 said:

Jan 26, 2022 16:37:50 GMT lordroel said:

In Dragon's Fury - World War against America and the West it is America the Best, suck the rest.

But first, we need the unholy Sino-African-Arab-Indian-*insert any yellow/brown/Muslim people* (no racist, just a pun on the author's views) coalition to give America and her allies the black eye before they come back screaming "Don't mess with America, F*ck Yeah" with a vengeance.

Think you summed up the entire book series in one sentence.