Frivolous ASB thread

[Zyobot]

Aug 25, 2019 14:46:51 GMT lordroel said:

Aug 25, 2019 14:44:16 GMT Zyobot said:

Are you, by chance, referring to the Eurofighter Typhoon? Because that seems to be maybe a one (maybe several more)-hit wonder that'd clip enemy planes' wings in short order for a few engagements, but would eventually require maintenance and repair that--unless the means of performing both have been ISOTed back to WW2 Germany--won't be achievable with '40s technology alone.

Yes i am referring to the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Alright, then. Are only the planes and operational instructions ISOTed to '40s Germany, or do the means of repeating, maintaining and perhaps even manufacturing them also sent back along with them?

Because in addition to a damned Europe in the latter case, Nazi Germany will also have gained a game-changing technological boon in plenty of other areas besides an untouchable fighter plane from the future.

[lordroel]

Aug 25, 2019 14:51:43 GMT Zyobot said:

Aug 25, 2019 14:46:51 GMT lordroel said:

Yes i am referring to the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Alright, then. Are only the planes and operational instructions ISOTed to '40s Germany, or do the means of repeating, maintaining and perhaps even manufacturing them also sent back along with them?

Well lets have the ASB bring everything the RAF current uses to fly and maintain them with a lot of missiles and bombs to be use.

[Zyobot]

Aug 25, 2019 14:54:25 GMT lordroel said:

Aug 25, 2019 14:51:43 GMT Zyobot said:

Alright, then. Are only the planes and operational instructions ISOTed to '40s Germany, or do the means of repeating, maintaining and perhaps even manufacturing them also sent back along with them?

Well lets have the ASB bring everything the RAF current uses to fly and maintain them with a lot of missiles and bombs to be use.

...Well, shit. Europe is likely screwed now.

[stevep]

Aug 25, 2019 14:51:43 GMT Zyobot said:

Aug 25, 2019 14:46:51 GMT lordroel said:

Yes i am referring to the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Alright, then. Are only the planes and operational instructions ISOTed to '40s Germany, or do the means of repeating, maintaining and perhaps even manufacturing them also sent back along with them?

Because in addition to a damned Europe in the latter case, Nazi Germany will also have gained a game-changing technological boon in plenty of other areas besides an untouchable fighter plane from the future.

  Zyobot

  Unless I'm missing something seriously Lordroel was talking about them replacing the RAF Hurricanes so I doubt any would come into German hands?  I suspect if they did appear there would be strict orders they don't fly anywhere near occupied territory to avoid this.

  Steve

[lordroel]

Aug 25, 2019 14:56:37 GMT stevep said:

Aug 25, 2019 14:51:43 GMT Zyobot said:

Alright, then. Are only the planes and operational instructions ISOTed to '40s Germany, or do the means of repeating, maintaining and perhaps even manufacturing them also sent back along with them?

Because in addition to a damned Europe in the latter case, Nazi Germany will also have gained a game-changing technological boon in plenty of other areas besides an untouchable fighter plane from the future.

  Zyobot

  Unless I'm missing something seriously Lordroel was talking about them replacing the RAF Hurricanes so I doubt any would come into German hands?  I suspect if they did appear there would be strict orders they don't fly anywhere near occupied territory to avoid this.

  Steve

So no dropping these stevep:



Also here is a nice list of what they can carry in one flight:

[stevep]

Aug 25, 2019 14:59:05 GMT lordroel said:

Aug 25, 2019 14:56:37 GMT stevep said:

  Zyobot

  Unless I'm missing something seriously Lordroel was talking about them replacing the RAF Hurricanes so I doubt any would come into German hands?  I suspect if they did appear there would be strict orders they don't fly anywhere near occupied territory to avoid this.

  Steve

So no dropping these stevep :



Also here is a nice list of what they can carry in one flight:

  Good point.  I was forgetting it was multi-role.  Suspect that they might go for that after the BoB was secured and they could probably do a hell of a lot more damage than BC in 44/45 simply because they should be a lot more accurate - at least if guidance systems are included.  No nat sav in 1940. 

  Of course smashing German industry and war machine in late 1940 you have to be careful its not the Soviets that grab the bulk of Europe as Britain isn't exactly in a position to invade N France or anywhere else in 1940-41.

[lordroel]

Aug 25, 2019 15:10:08 GMT stevep said:

Aug 25, 2019 14:59:05 GMT lordroel said:

So no dropping these stevep :



Also here is a nice list of what they can carry in one flight:

  Good point.  I was forgetting it was multi-role.  Suspect that they might go for that after the BoB was secured and they could probably do a hell of a lot more damage than BC in 44/45 simply because they should be a lot more accurate - at least if guidance systems are included.  No nat sav in 1940. 

  Of course smashing German industry and war machine in late 1940 you have to be careful its not the Soviets that grab the bulk of Europe as Britain isn't exactly in a position to invade N France or anywhere else in 1940-41.

I can see a Typhoon in Strike mode visiting the Normandie dry dock at St Nazaire in German-occupied France.

Also schould we split this into its own thread, i will move the post to it if needed.

[Zyobot]

Aug 25, 2019 14:56:37 GMT stevep said:

Aug 25, 2019 14:51:43 GMT Zyobot said:

Alright, then. Are only the planes and operational instructions ISOTed to '40s Germany, or do the means of repeating, maintaining and perhaps even manufacturing them also sent back along with them?

Because in addition to a damned Europe in the latter case, Nazi Germany will also have gained a game-changing technological boon in plenty of other areas besides an untouchable fighter plane from the future.

  Zyobot

  Unless I'm missing something seriously Lordroel was talking about them replacing the RAF Hurricanes so I doubt any would come into German hands?  I suspect if they did appear there would be strict orders they don't fly anywhere near occupied territory to avoid this.

  Steve

Oh, so the new fighters are gifted to the British instead of the Germans? That makes a whole lot more sense, not to mention the future of liberal democracy far, far safer since a Western Ally--rather than an especially evil Axis Power--is provided with next-century aircraft and associated technologies.

...Yeah, the fascists are f--ked.

[Zyobot]

'US Vanishes On January 1st, 2019'.

[mullauna]

Lee Harvey Oswald, just before Jack Ruby shoots him, is transported to 2019 Dallas. What happens to him?

[lordroel]

Aug 26, 2019 21:54:11 GMT mullauna said:

Lee Harvey Oswald, just before Jack Ruby shoots him, is transported to 2019 Dallas. What happens to him?

Nothing as any modern lawyer will successfully argue that you cannot senescence a person who is legally death.

[stevep]

Aug 26, 2019 21:22:30 GMT Zyobot said:

'US Vanishes On January 1st, 2019'.

  Would depend on what exactly you mean.  Is it just the institutions, population and infrastructure, leaving say virgin land or the land itself so Canada becomes the world's largest island?  Also what about US people, both civilian and military overseas and non-US people in US territory.  Also are territories included, such as Puerto Rico the Pacific possessions etc or just the 50 states?

  Going to be huge political and economic impacts either way.  Russia and China have become markedly more powerful in relative terms, although China will lose a lot of its investments in the US as no one's going to pay the US national debt so going to be some sort of financial impact there and probably world-wide.  Going to be a large amount of US economic assets around the world up for grabs.  Going to be the danger, especially if US forces overseas or at sea also disappear, that Putin will get even more aggressive and what's left of NATO will probably have to spend a hell of a lot more on defence.

  If the land is replaced by sea there's going to be a lot of climatic impacts possibly including the dropping of sea levels, changing of course of ocean currents etc.  If the Gulf Stream was seriously affected you could see a lot of Europe, especially the western areas, get a hell of a lot colder for instance.

  If the land becomes virgin then climatic impacts will be less but you will probably see the biggest land race in human history. 

PS  How much of the WWW is located in the US and how big an impact would that have on communications and related economic activity?

[Zyobot]

Aug 27, 2019 10:53:43 GMT stevep said:

Aug 26, 2019 21:22:30 GMT Zyobot said:

'US Vanishes On January 1st, 2019'.

  Would depend on what exactly you mean.  Is it just the institutions, population and infrastructure, leaving say virgin land or the land itself so Canada becomes the world's largest island?  Also what about US people, both civilian and military overseas and non-US people in US territory.  Also are territories included, such as Puerto Rico the Pacific possessions etc or just the 50 states?

  Going to be huge political and economic impacts either way.  Russia and China have become markedly more powerful in relative terms, although China will lose a lot of its investments in the US as no one's going to pay the US national debt so going to be some sort of financial impact there and probably world-wide.  Going to be a large amount of US economic assets around the world up for grabs.  Going to be the danger, especially if US forces overseas or at sea also disappear, that Putin will get even more aggressive and what's left of NATO will probably have to spend a hell of a lot more on defence.

  If the land is replaced by sea there's going to be a lot of climatic impacts possibly including the dropping of sea levels, changing of course of ocean currents etc.  If the Gulf Stream was seriously affected you could see a lot of Europe, especially the western areas, get a hell of a lot colder for instance.

  If the land becomes virgin then climatic impacts will be less but you will probably see the biggest land race in human history. 

PS  How much of the WWW is located in the US and how big an impact would that have on communications and related economic activity?

Those are some points to have brought up. I suppose that the US population, institutions and infrastructure disappear—leaving behind a virgin-earth stretch of North America that other countries are sure to take advantage of and attempt to resettle themselves, as you said.

[lordroel]

Aug 28, 2019 14:37:15 GMT Zyobot said:

Aug 27, 2019 10:53:43 GMT stevep said:

  Would depend on what exactly you mean.  Is it just the institutions, population and infrastructure, leaving say virgin land or the land itself so Canada becomes the world's largest island?  Also what about US people, both civilian and military overseas and non-US people in US territory.  Also are territories included, such as Puerto Rico the Pacific possessions etc or just the 50 states?

  Going to be huge political and economic impacts either way.  Russia and China have become markedly more powerful in relative terms, although China will lose a lot of its investments in the US as no one's going to pay the US national debt so going to be some sort of financial impact there and probably world-wide.  Going to be a large amount of US economic assets around the world up for grabs.  Going to be the danger, especially if US forces overseas or at sea also disappear, that Putin will get even more aggressive and what's left of NATO will probably have to spend a hell of a lot more on defence.

  If the land is replaced by sea there's going to be a lot of climatic impacts possibly including the dropping of sea levels, changing of course of ocean currents etc.  If the Gulf Stream was seriously affected you could see a lot of Europe, especially the western areas, get a hell of a lot colder for instance.

  If the land becomes virgin then climatic impacts will be less but you will probably see the biggest land race in human history. 

PS  How much of the WWW is located in the US and how big an impact would that have on communications and related economic activity?

Those are some points to have brought up. I suppose that the US population, institutions and infrastructure disappear—leaving behind a virgin-earth stretch of North America that other countries are sure to take advantage of and attempt to resettle themselves, as you said.

Reminds me of John Birmingham books in the The Disappearance Series where the bulk of the population of the contiguous United States (along with the bulk of the populations of Canada, Mexico, and Cuba) disappears as the result of a large energy field.

[stevep]

Aug 28, 2019 14:37:15 GMT Zyobot said:

Aug 27, 2019 10:53:43 GMT stevep said:

  Would depend on what exactly you mean.  Is it just the institutions, population and infrastructure, leaving say virgin land or the land itself so Canada becomes the world's largest island?  Also what about US people, both civilian and military overseas and non-US people in US territory.  Also are territories included, such as Puerto Rico the Pacific possessions etc or just the 50 states?

  Going to be huge political and economic impacts either way.  Russia and China have become markedly more powerful in relative terms, although China will lose a lot of its investments in the US as no one's going to pay the US national debt so going to be some sort of financial impact there and probably world-wide.  Going to be a large amount of US economic assets around the world up for grabs.  Going to be the danger, especially if US forces overseas or at sea also disappear, that Putin will get even more aggressive and what's left of NATO will probably have to spend a hell of a lot more on defence.

  If the land is replaced by sea there's going to be a lot of climatic impacts possibly including the dropping of sea levels, changing of course of ocean currents etc.  If the Gulf Stream was seriously affected you could see a lot of Europe, especially the western areas, get a hell of a lot colder for instance.

  If the land becomes virgin then climatic impacts will be less but you will probably see the biggest land race in human history. 

PS  How much of the WWW is located in the US and how big an impact would that have on communications and related economic activity?

Those are some points to have brought up. I suppose that the US population, institutions and infrastructure disappear—leaving behind a virgin-earth stretch of North America that other countries are sure to take advantage of and attempt to resettle themselves, as you said.

  In which case Mexico could be a big winner, at least as long as their able to maintain their gains.  Their bordering, have historical claims on a lot of land and have a large population.  Plus the drier deserts and plains could be a bit easier to settle than much of the deep forests of the NE region.  Might also have other Latin American regions seeking to state claims.  Could see Cuba possibly seeking to settle Florida for instance.

  Canada can also have a claim being adjacent and it won't be hit as badly by the virgin earth option as the Great Lakes will still be there.  However their got a relatively low population so any desire to claim new undeveloped lands could be limited.  Ditto for Europe I suspect as with fairly static or declining populations there may be limited interest in pioneering even if governments are willing to support such operations. 

  Russia is going to claim Alaska but might they go for other areas.  China, India with its rapidly growing population and some other regions will have the manpower but might not have the ease of access.

  Both Russia and China could go for Hawaii as an important strategic location in the Pacific.

  One point that occurred to me.  The US has been the guarantee of Israel and less successfully of peace in much of the ME region.  Things could get very nasty very quickly there even with Russia and China probably seeking influence at least in the region.  US support in Europe is also going to be missed, especially if their forces and equipment have disappeared.  All of a sudden the British and French nuclear deterrents are far, far more significant, especially given the decline of conventional forces in Europe since ~1991.

  This is all apart from the economic and technological disruption that has hit the rest of the world.