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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Oct 26, 2023 17:04:40 GMT
1815 US to 1095 AD
Does it help the Crusaders against Muslims?
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Post by stevep on Oct 26, 2023 21:49:51 GMT
1815 US to 1095 AD Does it help the Crusaders against Muslims?
Well they might be marginally more friendly to the Christians than the Muslims but given the huge cultural differences they won't particularly friendly to either group. Possibly not greatly interested in the old world while their got the entire Americas now available to them. However that will be the view of the government I suspect but you could get some adventures or others with particular interests who seek to intervene.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Oct 26, 2023 23:43:31 GMT
1815 US to 1095 AD Does it help the Crusaders against Muslims?
Well they might be marginally more friendly to the Christians than the Muslims but given the huge cultural differences they won't particularly friendly to either group. Possibly not greatly interested in the old world while their got the entire Americas now available to them. However that will be the view of the government I suspect but you could get some adventures or others with particular interests who seek to intervene.
There might still be a lot of volunteers willing to fight for the crusaders even if the US government itself is uninterested. |
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Post by stevep on Oct 27, 2023 9:48:45 GMT
Well they might be marginally more friendly to the Christians than the Muslims but given the huge cultural differences they won't particularly friendly to either group. Possibly not greatly interested in the old world while their got the entire Americas now available to them. However that will be the view of the government I suspect but you could get some adventures or others with particular interests who seek to intervene.
There might still be a lot of volunteers willing to fight for the crusaders even if the US government itself is uninterested.
Quite possibly although don't forget that nowadays I believe the most ardent Christian fundamentalists tend to be Protestants while Europe is solely Catholic or Orthodox at this point.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Oct 27, 2023 11:03:40 GMT
There might still be a lot of volunteers willing to fight for the crusaders even if the US government itself is uninterested.
Quite possibly although don't forget that nowadays I believe the most ardent Christian fundamentalists tend to be Protestants while Europe is solely Catholic or Orthodox at this point.
1815 US to 1618 AD. US in the 30 Years War |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Oct 30, 2023 16:57:27 GMT
1913 British India to 60 AD.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Nov 4, 2023 12:12:40 GMT
1870 UK (without colonies) ISOT to 235 AD (beggining of the Third Century Crisis in Rome)
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Post by stevep on Nov 4, 2023 14:45:53 GMT
1870 UK (without colonies) ISOT to 235 AD (beggining of the Third Century Crisis in Rome)
Would be interesting. Britain at the time, especially the elite had a lot of respect for classical Greek and to a degree also Roman culture but contact with the reality in its declining period with the bloodshed, slavery etc will cause some clashes, as with Britain including former imperial provinces. Ditto with the fact that while early Christianity is present it will be considerably different from what the Victorians are used to and is very much a despised and minority religion.
It could be that after some interactions which would include both friendly and unfriendly ones Britain could possibly turn its back on the empire, although no doubt there will be adventurers and scholars who will seek their own interests. After all there's the rest of the world to explore, colonize and 'civilize'. Including other parts of Europe that might interact with Britain. However its close geographical proximity and the sheer size of the empire - as long as it survives - will make the region important to British interests.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Nov 4, 2023 15:00:20 GMT
1870 UK (without colonies) ISOT to 235 AD (beggining of the Third Century Crisis in Rome)
Would be interesting. Britain at the time, especially the elite had a lot of respect for classical Greek and to a degree also Roman culture but contact with the reality in its declining period with the bloodshed, slavery etc will cause some clashes, as with Britain including former imperial provinces. Ditto with the fact that while early Christianity is present it will be considerably different from what the Victorians are used to and is very much a despised and minority religion.
It could be that after some interactions which would include both friendly and unfriendly ones Britain could possibly turn its back on the empire, although no doubt there will be adventurers and scholars who will seek their own interests. After all there's the rest of the world to explore, colonize and 'civilize'. Including other parts of Europe that might interact with Britain. However its close geographical proximity and the sheer size of the empire - as long as it survives - will make the region important to British interests.
How do you imagine Rome to look like technologically in say 100 years after the ISOT? After all technological exchange is pretty much unavoidable. What is the UK going to do with the rest of the world? The Americas? India? Post Han China? Persia and the Middle East? |
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Post by stevep on Nov 4, 2023 16:00:42 GMT
Would be interesting. Britain at the time, especially the elite had a lot of respect for classical Greek and to a degree also Roman culture but contact with the reality in its declining period with the bloodshed, slavery etc will cause some clashes, as with Britain including former imperial provinces. Ditto with the fact that while early Christianity is present it will be considerably different from what the Victorians are used to and is very much a despised and minority religion.
It could be that after some interactions which would include both friendly and unfriendly ones Britain could possibly turn its back on the empire, although no doubt there will be adventurers and scholars who will seek their own interests. After all there's the rest of the world to explore, colonize and 'civilize'. Including other parts of Europe that might interact with Britain. However its close geographical proximity and the sheer size of the empire - as long as it survives - will make the region important to British interests.
How do you imagine Rome to look like technologically in say 100 years after the ISOT? After all technological exchange is pretty much unavoidable. What is the UK going to do with the rest of the world? The Americas? India? Post Han China? Persia and the Middle East?
In terms of Rome it could go in any number of ways and likely that the empire won't survive that long as a coherent entity. Its too diverse to face the challenges that both the growing strength of its historical neighbours and the cultural shocks that Britain's appearance will supply. Not just the difference in technology but in culture as well and that Rome is no longer clearly the biggest player in the game which means that assorted nations would look to links with Britain rather than Rome and the UK has plenty of experience with working with vastly different cultures.
One other thing on the religious side would be that your likely to see a difference between the Protestants and Catholics inside the UK as the latter will be more favourable [and the former less] to the importance of the Roman pope, who is probably still a relatively minor figure in an overwhelmingly non-Christian Italy compared to the other patriarchs in the richer and more Christian eastern provinces. That would complicate the British reaction further.
In terms the rest of the world civilize, [by Victorian standards anyway] trade and explore. There's a lot of cultures that will be largely unknown to them and probably a lot of myths that will be shattered. Going to be a move against slavery, which will be difficult as its so en-grained in many cultures, human sacrifice and the like, spreading Christianity and with the much lower populations there will be plenty of lands for British people, still with a very high birth rate, to settle. Which is going to have some interesting interactions as there will be plenty of opportunities for people to migrate once things have been sorted out.
Of course forgot one huge issue, that of food supplies! Having abandon agricultural protectionism in the 1840's Britain is highly dependent on food imports. That could make a huge difference as Britain will need a lot of food and the most likely source could be Egypt. [Its the only secure area of large scale food surplus in this time period I'm aware of that the Victorians will know of and a fairly easy region to reach. Its also going to mean war with Rome but also has the attraction of giving a reason for securing Gibraltar and Malta on the way.
In the medium and longer term there are many other options than Egypt but its the only one that Victorian Britain will know of. Which is likely to be fatal to Rome as a unified state.
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Nov 4, 2023 16:25:23 GMT
2019 Kazakhstan to 1200 AD.
A country in the middle of the Eurasian Steppe right at a time when Genghis Khan is coming to power in Mongolia.
Interesting butterflies ahead, isn't it?
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Nov 5, 2023 11:22:18 GMT
2020 Iran ISOT to 1980 (the day the Iran Iraq War starts)
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Post by gillan1220 on Nov 5, 2023 15:47:34 GMT
2020 Iran ISOT to 1980 (the day the Iran Iraq War starts) I'd imagine UT Iranian tech to dominate the battlefield. Those Shadeed suicide drones would be a prize for the U.S. and the Soviets. It might start drone warfare earlier than the 21st Century. |
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Post by 575 on Nov 5, 2023 16:55:32 GMT
2020 Iran ISOT to 1980 (the day the Iran Iraq War starts) I'd imagine UT Iranian tech to dominate the battlefield. Those Shadeed suicide drones would be a prize for the U.S. and the Soviets. It might start drone warfare earlier than the 21st Century. Gonna speed up the Terminator franchise weapons wise! |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Nov 6, 2023 16:48:04 GMT
1880 Egypt to 218 BC
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