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Post by kasumigenx on Feb 15, 2022 4:21:07 GMT
Henry VIII
In 1528, Catherine of Aragon, the Queen of England had died and Henry VIII was considering an annulment to the pope so that he can marry his own love, Anne Boleyn prior to her death, who he had already in his side and wanted to marry after his own annulment.
Catherine of Aragon died in 1528 and Henry VIII wore yellow clothes on her death and Catherine of Aragon would be said to have said on her last breath for her husband, Henry VIII to take care of their own daughter, Princess Mary.
“Henry, please take care of our daughter, Mary.”
Henry VIII married Anne Boleyn, his mistress at that time and Anne Boleyn would give birth to another daughter named Elizabeth on September 7, 1533 which disappointed him, much to the displeasure of the King but years after rumors of heresy against Anne Boleyn would have sprouted out which the King would have used to get rid of Anne Boleyn himself, during this time Princess Mary, the heiress at that time is married to James V of Scotland in 1534, Anne Boleyn had repeated pregnancies afterwards and they resulted in miscarriage.
On 1536, Anne Boleyn would be burnt at the stake for heresy as Henry VIII would know himself that Anne Boleyn herself is a heretic and did not have male issue of her own and had negotiated for Princess Mary of Portugal’s hand prior, and on 1536, Henry VIII would remarry to Maria of Portugal as his third wife after his second wife was executed, Maria of Portugal bore his own son, Edward, the future Edward VI on October 12, 1537, however Edward VI would die in 1553 soon after the death of Henry VIII in 1547 and Maria of Portugal would end up as Philip II of Spain’s second wife as well due to her being excluded from the regency and decided to return to Portugal afterwards and gave birth to a healthy son named Ferdinand on January 4, 1549.
On 1553, after the death of her brother Edward, Mary and her eldest surviving child with her husband, James V, Mary of Scotland(December 8, 1542) would come to Westminister to be crowned, Mary Tudor, would be the first Queen of England who would secure the throne in England and her eldest surviving daughter and namesake Mary Stewart would have received many suitors for her hand as she is the heiress to England and Mary herself would have seen her grown sister, Elizabeth, the daughter of the heretic Anne who is still unmarried yet at this point since Edward VI had not find the suitable husband for her yet, her daughter Margaret Stewart(February 2, 1544), the younger sister of Mary Stewart would replace the place of Elizabeth Tudor in the marriage market in England after Mary herself became queen, the offers of marriage with Elizabeth Tudor would halt after Mary became the queen herself.
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Post by kasumigenx on Feb 15, 2022 4:21:36 GMT
The Spanish conquest of Tondo and Manila
On 1570, Lakandula, Soliman, and Aceh of Manila and Tondo would decide to fight the Spanish colonizers led by Miguel Lopez de Legaspi who settled in Cebu as they had already convinced Madyaas and Sugbu to give up their own suzerainty and independence against the Spanish, earlier during the Magellan-Elcano expedition, Rajah Aceh was defeated by the Spanish and kidnapped by the Spanish they would fight the Spanish again due to him knowing the intentions of the Spanish in the area himself as he was kidnapped by the Spanish decades ago after being defeated by the Spanish, the Spanish would defeat the Kingdoms of Tondo and Maynila and the Sultanate of Macabebe would arise as the nemesis of the Spanish, the Spanish would later conquer and secure the Bruneian holdings in Palawan and Mindoro that Sultan Bolkiah conquered himself in the prior century.
The Sultanate of Macabebe would be the nemesis of the Spanish in the North just like the Maguindanao and Sulu are their nemesis in the South.
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ITTL the Kingdom of Macabebe does what Johor did to Melaka and Sultanate of Maguindanao but in Luzon.
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Post by kasumigenx on Feb 15, 2022 4:22:24 GMT
Fair Queen Mary
On 1553, Queen Mary, the Queen consort of Scotland would be crowned as the Queen of England as her young brother, Edward VI died at a young age, she would be known as the fair queen of England due to her complexion and reputation, but she is not seen as good in the eyes of the reformers.
There is a long betrothal between Elizabeth of England and Francis of France which would be broken in favor of Margaret of England and Scotland, her second daughter, the marriage was supposed to accompany Edward’s betrothal with Elizabeth of France who would be Philip II’s third wife after the death of Maria of Portugal who had given him a healthy son, Ferdinand II of Spain(1549), Maria of Portugal decided to leave and remarry after the death of her first marriage to secure an alliance with Spain for her son but she would meet her death on 1554 after a complication of a miscarriage.
Mary Tudor would receive letters from her former Stepmother, Maria of Portugal and her new husband Philip II of Spain, guaranteeing an alliance and letters from her ally in England, Margaret Douglas who herself had her son, Henry, Lord Darnley betrothed with her own daughter Mary which would surprise the other monarchs as they wanted a match with Mary as she is the heiress of the two kingdoms of Britain.
Elizabeth would have another offer and it would be Sigismund Augustus but now as a proxy of the Habsburgs to marry her but the negotiations would take long and the other suitors of Elizabeth Tudor had gone their eyes to Margaret of Scotland and England, Sigismund Augustus would marry Elizabeth Tudor on 1554, a marriage that would produce a daughter named Anna of Poland(November 2, 1556).
Mary Tudor did not like her sister, Elizabeth due to her mother’s reputation as a reformer and heretic as she was wary of her as well due to her knowing her mother’s affair with her father while her mother was alive.
On 1559, Mary I, herself would die and James V would not remarry after her death and chose to secure the succession of his daughter, Mary II in Scotland and prepare the marriage of his daughter, Margaret to the king of France, Francis II and arrange the marriage of Henry, count of Darnley and his daughter Mary as that would continue the Stuart rule in Scotland and make the Stuarts rule England.
On 1560, Margaret of England and Scotland would arrive in France only to find her first husband, Francis II die just after the marriage and she returned to England afterwards in the court of her sister but not before the departure of her former sister-in-law, Elizabeth of France, she was able to witness her sister-in-law, Elizabeth leaving the court of France to marry Philip II, she would eventually marry Duarte, Duke of Guimaraes, securing the Portuguese succession.
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Post by kasumigenx on Feb 15, 2022 8:27:59 GMT
Newfoundland and New Normandy
During the reign of Mary I in 1554, she would correspond to Philip II in a letter that Newfoundland is an English discovery due to Cabot just after the Spanish had discovered the new world that it is their own colony in the New World prior to the treaty of Zaragossa to establish the new colony in the New World.
This would be the beginning of the Colonies of New Foundland and New Normandy which would have boundaries with Quebec in New France, the colony would be English speaking as well and they would also import settlers from Wallonia and Germany as well which are allies of the King of England the colony of New Normandy would be established by English explorers the reign of Mary II on 1560 which would be acknowledged by Queen Mary II of England, this would be later strengthened on the reign of James VI and I, the colony of New Normandy is comprised of Nova Scotia and New Normandy[1].
New England would be established by James VI and I on his own reign.
1. OTL New Brunswick and Maine.
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Post by stevep on Feb 15, 2022 14:53:39 GMT
Henry VIII
In 1528, Catherine of Aragon, the Queen of England had died and Henry VIII was considering an annulment to the pope so that he can marry his own love, Anne Boleyn prior to her death, who he had already in his side and wanted to marry after his own annulment. Catherine of Aragon died in 1528 and Henry VIII wore yellow clothes on her death and Catherine of Aragon would be said to have said on her last breath for her husband, Henry VIII to take care of their own daughter, Princess Mary. “Henry, please take care of our daughter, Mary.” Henry VIII married Anne Boleyn, his mistress at that time and Anne Boleyn would give birth to another daughter named Elizabeth on September 7, 1533 which disappointed him, much to the displeasure of the King but years after rumors of heresy against Anne Boleyn would have sprouted out which the King would have used to get rid of Anne Boleyn himself, during this time Princess Mary, the heiress at that time is married to James V of Scotland in 1534, Anne Boleyn had repeated pregnancies afterwards and they resulted in miscarriage. On 1536, Anne Boleyn would be burnt at the stake for heresy as Henry VIII would know himself that Anne Boleyn herself is a heretic and did not have male issue of her own and had negotiated for Princess Mary of Portugal’s hand prior, and on 1536, Henry VIII would remarry to Maria of Portugal as his third wife after his second wife was executed, Maria of Portugal bore his own son, Edward, the future Edward VI on October 12, 1537, however Edward VI would die in 1553 soon after the death of Henry VIII in 1547 and Maria of Portugal would end up as Philip II of Spain’s second wife as well due to her being excluded from the regency and decided to return to Portugal afterwards and gave birth to a healthy son named Ferdinand on January 4, 1549. On 1553, after the death of her brother Edward, Mary and her eldest surviving child with her husband, James V, Mary of Scotland(December 8, 1542) would come to Westminister to be crowned, Mary Tudor, would be the first Queen of England who would secure the throne in England and her eldest surviving daughter and namesake Mary Stewart would have received many suitors for her hand as she is the heiress to England and Mary herself would have seen her grown sister, Elizabeth, the daughter of the heretic Anne who is still unmarried yet at this point since Edward VI had not find the suitable husband for her yet, her daughter Margaret Stewart(February 2, 1544), the younger sister of Mary Stewart would replace the place of Elizabeth Tudor in the marriage market in England after Mary herself became queen, the offers of marriage with Elizabeth Tudor would halt after Mary became the queen herself.
The issue you have here is that Henry had to break with Rome to get a divorce from Catherine of Aragon so I can't see him being willing or able to do an about turn and rejoin the Catholic church and without that I think a marriage to a Portuguese princess is not going to happen. That he still marries Anne, who is a Protestant, would further widen the gulf as OTL and also I would assume the dissolution of the monasteries still occur - both to break the economic power of the Catholic clergy and because it would get Henry and a lot of other people plenty of money.
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Post by kasumigenx on Feb 15, 2022 22:01:16 GMT
Henry VIII
In 1528, Catherine of Aragon, the Queen of England had died and Henry VIII was considering an annulment to the pope so that he can marry his own love, Anne Boleyn prior to her death, who he had already in his side and wanted to marry after his own annulment. Catherine of Aragon died in 1528 and Henry VIII wore yellow clothes on her death and Catherine of Aragon would be said to have said on her last breath for her husband, Henry VIII to take care of their own daughter, Princess Mary. “Henry, please take care of our daughter, Mary.” Henry VIII married Anne Boleyn, his mistress at that time and Anne Boleyn would give birth to another daughter named Elizabeth on September 7, 1533 which disappointed him, much to the displeasure of the King but years after rumors of heresy against Anne Boleyn would have sprouted out which the King would have used to get rid of Anne Boleyn himself, during this time Princess Mary, the heiress at that time is married to James V of Scotland in 1534, Anne Boleyn had repeated pregnancies afterwards and they resulted in miscarriage. On 1536, Anne Boleyn would be burnt at the stake for heresy as Henry VIII would know himself that Anne Boleyn herself is a heretic and did not have male issue of her own and had negotiated for Princess Mary of Portugal’s hand prior, and on 1536, Henry VIII would remarry to Maria of Portugal as his third wife after his second wife was executed, Maria of Portugal bore his own son, Edward, the future Edward VI on October 12, 1537, however Edward VI would die in 1553 soon after the death of Henry VIII in 1547 and Maria of Portugal would end up as Philip II of Spain’s second wife as well due to her being excluded from the regency and decided to return to Portugal afterwards and gave birth to a healthy son named Ferdinand on January 4, 1549. On 1553, after the death of her brother Edward, Mary and her eldest surviving child with her husband, James V, Mary of Scotland(December 8, 1542) would come to Westminister to be crowned, Mary Tudor, would be the first Queen of England who would secure the throne in England and her eldest surviving daughter and namesake Mary Stewart would have received many suitors for her hand as she is the heiress to England and Mary herself would have seen her grown sister, Elizabeth, the daughter of the heretic Anne who is still unmarried yet at this point since Edward VI had not find the suitable husband for her yet, her daughter Margaret Stewart(February 2, 1544), the younger sister of Mary Stewart would replace the place of Elizabeth Tudor in the marriage market in England after Mary herself became queen, the offers of marriage with Elizabeth Tudor would halt after Mary became the queen herself.
The issue you have here is that Henry had to break with Rome to get a divorce from Catherine of Aragon so I can't see him being willing or able to do an about turn and rejoin the Catholic church and without that I think a marriage to a Portuguese princess is not going to happen. That he still marries Anne, who is a Protestant, would further widen the gulf as OTL and also I would assume the dissolution of the monasteries still occur - both to break the economic power of the Catholic clergy and because it would get Henry and a lot of other people plenty of money.
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Catherine of Aragon here dies prior to the Break with Rome here so he remains a Catholic but marries Anne Boleyn, that is the premise of this timeline, Anne being protestant was not an issue for Henry VIII, but he can use that to get rid of her if he stays Catholic if she did not produce an issue like what happened here. |
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Post by kasumigenx on Feb 16, 2022 2:30:33 GMT
New Normandy
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Post by halferking on Feb 20, 2022 18:01:24 GMT
If Henry was to remain a Catholic, then he would never marry a Protestant. The Reformation may still have happened even if it didn't have a religious angle.
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Post by stevep on Feb 20, 2022 18:34:30 GMT
If Henry was to remain a Catholic, then he would never marry a Protestant. The Reformation may still have happened even if it didn't have a religious angle.
Well the reformation is still under way, on the continent and Henry, until he broke with Rome, was firmly suppressing reformist elements in England, including the attempts to produce an English version of the bible. However it might fail in England and/or Scotland given the butterflies.
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Post by halferking on Feb 21, 2022 13:28:37 GMT
If Henry was to remain a Catholic, then he would never marry a Protestant. The Reformation may still have happened even if it didn't have a religious angle.
Well the reformation is still under way, on the continent and Henry, until he broke with Rome, was firmly suppressing reformist elements in England, including the attempts to produce an English version of the bible. However it might fail in England and/or Scotland given the butterflies.
The Reformation was a movement that swept predominantly German states and northern Europe and was in part religious, but it was also cultural and political. The Church has amassed great wealth and power at the expense of the people and the Clergy have grown to challenge the power of Kings. That was simply not acceptable. For Henry the movement manifested itself in the Pope's refusal to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon In kasumigenx timeline Catherine of Aragon dies therefore the OTL catalyst for reformation in England does not exist, but it still does not resolve the issue of the direct threat the Church posed politically to both King and Nobility. If Henry remains Catholic, and given his devotion to the faith, most notably his condemnation of Luther in his book Assertio Septem Sacramentrus, which earned him Pope Leo X respect and the title of Defender of the Faith, he will want to marry a Catholic woman from a powerful Catholic House. For Henry devotion meant achieving power and he may not stop at just being Defender of the Faith. I can see him wanting to directly challenge the Vatican and may look to form a Catholic Alliance to take on the Pope and remember at this time the Church's reputation had been severely damaged what with the Great Western Schism and the 'nefarious' practices of the Clergy. The Reformation would be more about restoring the Catholic Church to its true values rather than overthrowing the authority of the Pope and the creation of a new religion. |
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Post by stevep on Feb 22, 2022 12:42:17 GMT
Well the reformation is still under way, on the continent and Henry, until he broke with Rome, was firmly suppressing reformist elements in England, including the attempts to produce an English version of the bible. However it might fail in England and/or Scotland given the butterflies.
The Reformation was a movement that swept predominantly German states and northern Europe and was in part religious, but it was also cultural and political. The Church has amassed great wealth and power at the expense of the people and the Clergy have grown to challenge the power of Kings. That was simply not acceptable. For Henry the movement manifested itself in the Pope's refusal to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon In kasumigenx timeline Catherine of Aragon dies therefore the OTL catalyst for reformation in England does not exist, but it still does not resolve the issue of the direct threat the Church posed politically to both King and Nobility. If Henry remains Catholic, and given his devotion to the faith, most notably his condemnation of Luther in his book Assertio Septem Sacramentrus, which earned him Pope Leo X respect and the title of Defender of the Faith, he will want to marry a Catholic woman from a powerful Catholic House. For Henry devotion meant achieving power and he may not stop at just being Defender of the Faith. I can see him wanting to directly challenge the Vatican and may look to form a Catholic Alliance to take on the Pope and remember at this time the Church's reputation had been severely damaged what with the Great Western Schism and the 'nefarious' practices of the Clergy. The Reformation would be more about restoring the Catholic Church to its true values rather than overthrowing the authority of the Pope and the creation of a new religion.
I take it here your talking about the Reformation in England as the opposition of the Catholic establishment to reform did drive the Protestants elsewhere to a clear break with Rome? If Henry was to end up clashing with the Papacy, which I'm less confident of at least in the short term, then he's probably going to end up with a clear break as well. Unless the example set in assorted places on the continent persuades the Papacy that they must compromise with the English monarchy.
This of course still leaves the question of independent reformists inside the English state. They will still be there although probably facing continued persecution from the monarchy.
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Post by halferking on Feb 22, 2022 20:16:35 GMT
The Reformation was a movement that swept predominantly German states and northern Europe and was in part religious, but it was also cultural and political. The Church has amassed great wealth and power at the expense of the people and the Clergy have grown to challenge the power of Kings. That was simply not acceptable. For Henry the movement manifested itself in the Pope's refusal to annul his marriage to Catherine of Aragon In kasumigenx timeline Catherine of Aragon dies therefore the OTL catalyst for reformation in England does not exist, but it still does not resolve the issue of the direct threat the Church posed politically to both King and Nobility. If Henry remains Catholic, and given his devotion to the faith, most notably his condemnation of Luther in his book Assertio Septem Sacramentrus, which earned him Pope Leo X respect and the title of Defender of the Faith, he will want to marry a Catholic woman from a powerful Catholic House. For Henry devotion meant achieving power and he may not stop at just being Defender of the Faith. I can see him wanting to directly challenge the Vatican and may look to form a Catholic Alliance to take on the Pope and remember at this time the Church's reputation had been severely damaged what with the Great Western Schism and the 'nefarious' practices of the Clergy. The Reformation would be more about restoring the Catholic Church to its true values rather than overthrowing the authority of the Pope and the creation of a new religion.
I take it here your talking about the Reformation in England as the opposition of the Catholic establishment to reform did drive the Protestants elsewhere to a clear break with Rome? If Henry was to end up clashing with the Papacy, which I'm less confident of at least in the short term, then he's probably going to end up with a clear break as well. Unless the example set in assorted places on the continent persuades the Papacy that they must compromise with the English monarchy.
This of course still leaves the question of independent reformists inside the English state. They will still be there although probably facing continued persecution from the monarchy.
The 'Protestant' phase of the Reformation really didn't manifest itself until Edward VI. Henry's Reformation was more about power and authority so there would be a clash between King and Pope at some point, and from what I have read it seems that Henry VIII did not see the Reformation as a means to convert to Protestantism but as a tool which he could use to seize power from the Pope. We can see this through the fact that the Church he created retained many features of Catholicism and indeed to this day the Church of England is more closely aligned to Catholicism than the other branches of Protestantism are for example the Brethren are quite austere in nature there are no golden crosses or altars, no physical representation of Jesus, no mass and in some cases no musical instruments are allowed in the Hall and until recently in some Halls woman were required to cover their heads. Throughout history the Pope has faced challenges to both his spiritual and temporal authority here on Earth so for Henry to move against the Papacy wouldn't be an alien concept. If Catholicism had remained as the official religion of England, then it would probably have an interesting effect on whether Protestantism can actually flourish. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2022 23:17:55 GMT
New Normandy I wonder what would those colonies look and act like? Would you mind elaborate on that, please? |
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Post by kasumigenx on Mar 13, 2022 17:52:46 GMT
New Normandy I wonder what would those colonies look and act like? Would you mind elaborate on that, please? The split between Canada and US as IOTL does not happen here. |
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