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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Apr 6, 2022 8:52:02 GMT
As far as I know it has the Bundesmarine U Boat base and and an infantry battalion.
What are they going to do? Schleswig-holstein doet not have any means to defend itself against imperial Germany but it has q lot to offer.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 6, 2022 14:10:33 GMT
As far as I know it has the Bundesmarine U Boat base and and an infantry battalion. What are they going to do? Schleswig-holstein doet not have any means to defend itself against imperial Germany but it has q lot to offer. Well with more than 111 years of difference between them, Schleswig Holstein is as deiffrent of Germany of 1914 as Canada is from the United States. I see Schleswig Holstein become a independent republic who will try to help Germany and the rest of the world of 1912 avoid what is coming as it is better than what will come after the Great War of OTL. |
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Post by Otto Kretschmer on Apr 6, 2022 15:12:07 GMT
The thing is that nothing stopping imperial Germany from taking it by force.
That single naval infantry battalion can do jack sh... about it.
The urge to get their hands on modern infrastructure, military equipment and specialists might be too strong for the Kaiser.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 6, 2022 15:23:54 GMT
The thing is that nothing stopping imperial Germany from taking it by force. That single naval infantry battalion can do jack sh... about it. The urge to get their hands on modern infrastructure, military equipment and specialists might be too strong for the Kaiser. Stopping it by force, the 2022 German Bundeswehr in Schleswig Holstein and the Schleswig-Holstein Police (8,700 in size) will be enough if mobilize to halt any 1912 advance. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 6, 2022 19:51:28 GMT
As far as I know it has the Bundesmarine U Boat base and and an infantry battalion. What are they going to do? Schleswig-holstein doet not have any means to defend itself against imperial Germany but it has q lot to offer.
Are you just referring to those parts of the provinces that stayed in Germany or including those returned to Denmark after WWII? If the latter the Danes might want to get involved as well.
They wouldn't be enough with the local up-time forces to hold out indefinately but I suspect just as Imperial Germany would want to get its hands on advanced technology and probably especially weapons there are plenty of other people who would be determined to stop that. So unless some deal is reached which preserves the areas neutrality you probably get WWII WWI kicking off ~30 months early!  |
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Post by Zyobot on Apr 6, 2022 21:29:22 GMT
As far as I know it has the Bundesmarine U Boat base and and an infantry battalion. What are they going to do? Schleswig-holstein doet not have any means to defend itself against imperial Germany but it has q lot to offer.
Are you just referring to those parts of the provinces that stayed in Germany or including those returned to Denmark after WWII? If the latter the Danes might want to get involved as well.
They wouldn't be enough with the local up-time forces to hold out indefinately but I suspect just as Imperial Germany would want to get its hands on advanced technology and probably especially weapons there are plenty of other people who would be determined to stop that. So unless some deal is reached which preserves the areas neutrality you probably get WWII kicking off ~30 months early! I believe you’re referring to World War One, yes?  |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 7, 2022 4:15:03 GMT
As far as I know it has the Bundesmarine U Boat base and and an infantry battalion. So it looks like there is the: 1st Submarine Squadron (1. Ubootgeschwader), EckernfördeSix Type 212 submarinesU-31 U-32 U-33 U-34 U-35 U-36 Three Oste-class fleet service shipsOste Oker Alster One Elbe-class replenishment shipMain Sea Battalion, Eckernförde1,100 strong and structured into four companies plus support elements ( Sea Battalion - Wikipedia page) Kommando Spezialkräfte Marine, EckernfördeA 300 strong elite special forces unit of the Germany Navy, specializing in commando and amphibious warfare operations. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 7, 2022 16:03:33 GMT
Are you just referring to those parts of the provinces that stayed in Germany or including those returned to Denmark after WWII? If the latter the Danes might want to get involved as well.
They wouldn't be enough with the local up-time forces to hold out indefinately but I suspect just as Imperial Germany would want to get its hands on advanced technology and probably especially weapons there are plenty of other people who would be determined to stop that. So unless some deal is reached which preserves the areas neutrality you probably get WWII kicking off ~30 months early! I believe you’re referring to World War One, yes? 
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Post by melanie on Apr 14, 2022 16:03:48 GMT
the geographic region of S-H is more interesting than confinement to political boundaries as that means *both* German and Danish S-H come along to the past. Similarly my Silesia ISOT thread was about "geographic" Silesia so not just 1990 Poland but 1990 Germany and Czechoslovakia, which post WWII kept little bits of Silesia as a whole, would be affected.
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Post by 575 on Apr 25, 2022 13:38:36 GMT
The S-H Country Command among other issues have responsibility for Reserves training among these Eiswolf and Nordic Infantry Competition schemes. The S-C CC also have at its disposal two Home Guard Companies - one in Husum, one in Eutin. Map of Bundeswehr Barracks and other installations in S-H Map of barracks etc. here well yes its in German but the site names following below is on the map Among the Units - Luftwaffe NCO school, Appen Munitionsstockpiles - Boostedt Eckernförde - Marine Special Forces 1. Submarine Squadron Marines Battalion 2 Minewarfare ships, 1 Landing Ship 4. Coy/1. Jäger Regiment Eutin - 6. Reconnaisance Battalion Flensburg - School of Intelligence Units Airfield Hohn - 63. Transport Group - disbanded 2021 Husum - 1. AA Sqn. Julius Leber Kaserne - 164. Special Engineers Regiment 5. Coy/ 7. CW-protection Battalion Jagel Airfield - 51. Tac. Recce. Group Immelmann 39 Panavia Tornado and UAW's Kiel - 3. Minesweeper Flotilla x10 MS Support Flottilla x5 Tenders Intelligence section Kronshagen - Medical Institutions of Bundeswehr and Navy Laboe - Ammunition Depot Oldenburg - Training Area of whatever unit you may name (Which one is there at ISOT?) Panker - 61. AA Group MANTISPlön - Navy NCO school Stadum - 911. EW Battalion Seems the uptimers have something to hit back with. |
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Post by lordroel on Apr 25, 2022 13:47:09 GMT
The S-H Country Command among other issues have responsibility for Reserves training among these Eiswolf and Nordic Infantry Competition schemes. The S-C CC also have at its disposal two Home Guard Companies - one in Husum, one in Eutin. Map of Bundeswehr Barracks and other installations in S-H Map of barracks etc. here well yes its in German but the site names following below is on the map Among the Units - Luftwaffe NCO school, Appen Munitionsstockpiles - Boostedt Eckernförde - Marine Special Forces 1. Submarine Squadron Marines Battalion 2 Minewarfare ships, 1 Landing Ship 4. Coy/1. Jäger Regiment Eutin - 6. Reconnaisance Battalion Flensburg - School of Intelligence Units Airfield Hohn - 63. Transport Group - disbanded 2021 Husum - 1. AA Sqn. Julius Leber Kaserne - 164. Special Engineers Regiment 5. Coy/ 7. CW-protection Battalion Jagel Airfield - 51. Tac. Recce. Group Immelmann 39 Panavia Tornado and UAW's Kiel - 3. Minesweeper Flotilla x10 MS Support Flottilla x5 Tenders Intelligence section Kronshagen - Medical Institutions of Bundeswehr and Navy Laboe - Ammunition Depot Oldenburg - Training Area of whatever unit you may name (Which one is there at ISOT?) Panker - 61. AA Group MANTISPlön - Navy NCO school Stadum - 911. EW Battalion Seems the uptimers have something to hit back with. I assumed the German Home Guard companies did not exist anymore. |
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Post by 575 on Apr 25, 2022 14:36:47 GMT
The S-H Country Command among other issues have responsibility for Reserves training among these Eiswolf and Nordic Infantry Competition schemes. The S-C CC also have at its disposal two Home Guard Companies - one in Husum, one in Eutin. Map of Bundeswehr Barracks and other installations in S-H Map of barracks etc. here well yes its in German but the site names following below is on the map Among the Units - Luftwaffe NCO school, Appen Munitionsstockpiles - Boostedt Eckernförde - Marine Special Forces 1. Submarine Squadron Marines Battalion 2 Minewarfare ships, 1 Landing Ship 4. Coy/1. Jäger Regiment Eutin - 6. Reconnaisance Battalion Flensburg - School of Intelligence Units Airfield Hohn - 63. Transport Group - disbanded 2021 Husum - 1. AA Sqn. Julius Leber Kaserne - 164. Special Engineers Regiment 5. Coy/ 7. CW-protection Battalion Jagel Airfield - 51. Tac. Recce. Group Immelmann 39 Panavia Tornado and UAW's Kiel - 3. Minesweeper Flotilla x10 MS Support Flottilla x5 Tenders Intelligence section Kronshagen - Medical Institutions of Bundeswehr and Navy Laboe - Ammunition Depot Oldenburg - Training Area of whatever unit you may name (Which one is there at ISOT?) Panker - 61. AA Group MANTISPlön - Navy NCO school Stadum - 911. EW Battalion Seems the uptimers have something to hit back with. I assumed the German Home Guard companies did not exist anymore.
Yes they were difficult to find - the old organization of HSK was abandoned during the early 2000's. Recently they organized a new organization - found it on the Bundeswehr home page. Now its called Heimatschutz look here
At times they also have visitors from Danish Home Guard - probably all over Itzehoe and the old Barracks site of the Danish Brigade in Germany 1947-58. There might be some unexpected reinforcements around.
The Training Area of Oldenburg is quite interesting as it is the only one with a firing field over open water in Germany so may have some Bundeswehr Battalion or Brigade fooling around.
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Post by 575 on Apr 25, 2022 15:29:05 GMT
2022 S-H combat units in place:
Navy/Marine
Marine Special Forces 350 troops,
Marine/Sea Battalioon 1100 troops,
Navy NCO School - no numbers,
enough Subs to sink the High Seas Fleet, mine approaches - Kiel Canal - and to sweep such
Army
4. Coy/1. Jäger Regiment - Light Infantry only some 150 (guess) but real troops and light infantry consider themselves the BEST,
6. Reconnaisance Battalion - Bundeswehr real deal - Fennek Armoured Reconnaisance Vehicles and Airbus UAV - and they have been around the Baltics so know their job
164. Special Engineers Regiment which is training the Home Guard which at the time amounts to 2 Coy's each 150 troops?
5. Coy/ 7. CW-protection Battalion - very specialist but still Army troops
911. EW Battalion - as above though mixed establishment
Luftwaffe
NCO School - no numbers,(I don't say they're as good as we were kicking the butt of the Reccesqn. of Guards Hussar Reg. back in 1981 AND it had Air Support!) but hey its an NCO School and those guys and girls will be MOTIVATED,
1. AA Sqn. missiles,
61. AA Group with some really awsome kit - get those guns on trucks..
51. Immelmann Group with 39 Tornadoes and UAVs - get some kit onto those to complete the recce mission - the Danish units had dual capability
Two munitions depots - back in the day there were HUGE depots in S-H; the Danish still exist a little oversize for Danish needs but used; guess this may be like here - perhaps somebody left a nuke in a dark corner
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Post by lordroel on Apr 25, 2022 15:49:10 GMT
2022 S-H combat units in place: Navy/Marine Marine Special Forces 350 troops, Marine/Sea Battalioon 1100 troops, Navy NCO School - no numbers, enough Subs to sink the High Seas Fleet, mine approaches - Kiel Canal - and to sweep such Army 4. Coy/1. Jäger Regiment - Light Infantry only some 150 (guess) but real troops and light infantry consider themselves the BEST, 6. Reconnaisance Battalion - Bundeswehr real deal - Fennek Armoured Reconnaisance Vehicles and Airbus UAV - and they have been around the Baltics so know their job 164. Special Engineers Regiment which is training the Home Guard which at the time amounts to 2 Coy's each 150 troops? 5. Coy/ 7. CW-protection Battalion - very specialist but still Army troops 911. EW Battalion - as above though mixed establishment Luftwaffe NCO School - no numbers,(I don't say they're as good as we were kicking the butt of the Reccesqn. of Guards Hussar Reg. back in 1981 AND it had Air Support!) but hey its an NCO School and those guys and girls will be MOTIVATED, 1. AA Sqn. missiles, 61. AA Group with some really awsome kit - get those guns on trucks.. 51. Immelmann Group with 39 Tornadoes and UAVs - get some kit onto those to complete the recce mission - the Danish units had dual capability Two munitions depots - back in the day there were HUGE depots in S-H; the Danish still exist a little oversize for Danish needs but used; guess this may be like here - perhaps somebody left a nuke in a dark corner Nice 575. Gives a good insight of what Schleswig Holstein 2022 has to defend itself with if needed. |
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Post by 575 on Apr 25, 2022 15:53:34 GMT
As far as I know it has the Bundesmarine U Boat base and and an infantry battalion. What are they going to do? Schleswig-holstein doet not have any means to defend itself against imperial Germany but it has q lot to offer.
Are you just referring to those parts of the provinces that stayed in Germany or including those returned to Denmark after WWII? If the latter the Danes might want to get involved as well.
They wouldn't be enough with the local up-time forces to hold out indefinately but I suspect just as Imperial Germany would want to get its hands on advanced technology and probably especially weapons there are plenty of other people who would be determined to stop that. So unless some deal is reached which preserves the areas neutrality you probably get WWII WWI kicking off ~30 months early!
The Danes will very much like to provide for the northern part of Slesvig not party to 2022 Schleswig-Holstein as they are almost all Danish speaking and wouldn't mind it at all and it will free the 2022 S-H'ers from some headache. There is Imperial German Army units in this area - Infantry Regiment 84 and 86 Reserve Infantry Regiment 84 and 86 the latter of course not mobilized. All were known as Danish Regiments though officers were German.
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