Turkey from 2022 ISOT to 1950

[Otto Kretschmer]

What if modern day Turkey with Erdogan as it's head, went back to 1950?

Whom does it side with, if anybody, given it's obvious tech advantage?

[melanie]

Iran and the Soviet Caucus republics would be temping targets to take?

[lordroel]

Apr 14, 2022 16:05:06 GMT melanie said:

Iran and the Soviet Caucus republics would be temping targets to take?

Think 2022 Turkey is going the same road as it is now, their to expand their influence across the region while not their to upset the Soviet Union which might have no nukes but still has a pretty dam large army.

[gillan1220]

It would have one of the most powerful militaries in the Caucasus. The F-16 and the Leopard 2 will own whatever the Red Army possesses at this period.

[melanie]

Turkey's going to want to "liberate" their fellow Moslems from the yoke of the Soviets and that of the Shah in Tehran. Will get messy.

[stevep]

Apr 14, 2022 18:29:13 GMT gillan1220 said:

It would have one of the most powerful militaries in the Caucasus. The F-16 and the Leopard 2 will own whatever the Red Army possesses at this period.

  Given the standard issue of how much can they support those and other modern civil and military hardware and capacity?  For instance what sort, if any micro-chip capacity does Turkey have?  They won't have any satellite capacity and no GPS and items such as tank barrels and parts for the F-16, especially the electronic ones could be a significant factor there.

  One butterfly that comes to mind, assuming that the ISOT comes prior to 25th June, is does the Korean war still occur.  Or is Stalin so concerned about the sudden appearance of an high tech Turkey or information from Ankara about it leading to a possible increasing of the south's defence by the US prevent that happening?  There will be a lot of other potential butterflies.

[stevep]

Apr 14, 2022 23:31:25 GMT melanie said:

Turkey's going to want to "liberate" their fellow Moslems from the yoke of the Soviets and that of the Shah in Tehran. Will get messy.

  The current leadership might want to do some of that but could be restrained by resources.  Plus a 1950 Iran is likely to be a lot more loyal to the dynasty and especially hostile to a Sunni Turkish invasion being so massively Shia themselves.  They lack much in the way of weapons but could call on British and American aid possibly and the latter do have nukes.  Albeit relatively few and limited ability to penetrate Turkish airspace in the short term.

  As you say while the Soviets don't have really deliverable nukes yet they do have quite a lot of men, many of them with battle experience. 

[melanie]

Will Stalin want to weaken his troops in the Eastern Bloc - or the Far East, so Mao doesn't get any funny ideas while the SU is distracted by Turkey appearing out of the ISOT - to protect the Caucuses?

[gillan1220]

Apr 15, 2022 13:43:13 GMT stevep said:

Apr 14, 2022 18:29:13 GMT gillan1220 said:

It would have one of the most powerful militaries in the Caucasus. The F-16 and the Leopard 2 will own whatever the Red Army possesses at this period.

  Given the standard issue of how much can they support those and other modern civil and military hardware and capacity?  For instance what sort, if any micro-chip capacity does Turkey have?  They won't have any satellite capacity and no GPS and items such as tank barrels and parts for the F-16, especially the electronic ones could be a significant factor there.

  One butterfly that comes to mind, assuming that the ISOT comes prior to 25th June, is does the Korean war still occur.  Or is Stalin so concerned about the sudden appearance of an high tech Turkey or information from Ankara about it leading to a possible increasing of the south's defence by the US prevent that happening?  There will be a lot of other potential butterflies.

For the scenario's sake, perhaps the satellites and GPS get ISOTed too so the Turkish will have the temporary edge up until they run out of ammo and fuel. The CIA, MI6, and the KGB would love to examine the advanced military technology Turkey possesses.

Interestingly too, Turkey was one of the countries that sent troops to the Korean War. Perhaps their deployment would be gone with the sudden appearance of this 2022 Turkey.

[stevep]

Apr 15, 2022 14:56:52 GMT melanie said:

Will Stalin want to weaken his troops in the Eastern Bloc - or the Far East, so Mao doesn't get any funny ideas while the SU is distracted by Turkey appearing out of the ISOT - to protect the Caucuses?

  In 1950 Mao was very dependent on Stalin and seemed to accept his leadership of the communist world.  If was only really when Khrushchev had his denouncement of Stalin that the two countries started to diverge.  Plus if Turkey is actually invading the USSR, which would include a threat to the Baku oilfields then that would be very high on Stalin's priorities.  Especially since the west had very largely disarmed - as shown by the way the western powers struggled to find units to help defend S Korean - I doubt he would be greatly worried even if there was any signs that the western powers were willing to join Turkey in such a war against the USSR.

[razor007]

There will be many defectors, most will go to NATO. Turkey engages in a Cold War with the Soviets.

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