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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 30, 2022 13:51:47 GMT
Imagine this scenario: It's the middle of an election year in the US. Both parties have chosen their POTUS and VP candidates. And then, for whatever reason, the sitting POTUS dies before the old or new one is sworn in. So the current VP has to take over. What happens in which case?
(Inspired by Jared's "Decades of Darkness", where this happens at the very beginning: Jefferson dies in 1808, George Clinton becomes POTUS for a short time - only to become VP again under Madison.)
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Post by lordroel on Apr 30, 2022 13:53:43 GMT
Imagine this scenario: It's the middle of an election year in the US. Both parties have chosen their POTUS and VP candidates. And then, for whatever reason, the sitting POTUS dies before the old or new one is sworn in. So the current VP has to take over. What happens in which case?
(Inspired by Jared's "Decades of Darkness", where this happens at the very beginning: Jefferson dies in 1808, George Clinton becomes POTUS for a short time - only to become VP again under Madison.) Well one thing, his name is going down in history. |
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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 30, 2022 14:11:08 GMT
OK, I'll go through this:
* 1900: That'd be really interesting, because at that time, McKinley actually had no sitting VP! Now what?
* 1904: Same thing: Because of the way he became POTUS, Teddy actually had no VP at that time.
* 1908: n/a, since Teddy didn't run again anyway. I'll leave these out in future.
* 1912: Different special case because Teddy is running for his Bull Moose party. But Taft lost anyway to Wilson - would Nicholas M. Butler do better?
* 1916: Thomas Marshall doesn't seem to have been fit for the White House, and the election was narrow IOTL too. Win for Charles Evans Hughes?
* 1924: Coolidge with no VP
* 1932: So Hoover is dead - can Charles Curtis save the situation and not be blamed for the Depression? All I know about him is that he became POTUS in the Gernsback TL from GURPS Alternate Earths I.
Continue this?
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Post by lordroel on Apr 30, 2022 14:15:24 GMT
* 1932: So Hoover is dead - can Charles Curtis save the situation and not be blamed for the Depression?. Depends do we know how he wanted to combat the Depression. |
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Post by Max Sinister on Apr 30, 2022 14:22:51 GMT
* 1932: So Hoover is dead - can Charles Curtis save the situation and not be blamed for the Depression?. Depends do we know how he wanted to combat the Depression.
As said, I don't know much about him. So he was a conservative Republican unlike Hoover. And he was already quite old (would've been 73 when inaugurated in this scenario). Doesn't look to good, and frankly, I don't know whether anyone could have saved it for the Reps then.
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Post by lordroel on Apr 30, 2022 14:24:31 GMT
Depends do we know how he wanted to combat the Depression. As said, I don't know much about him. So he was a conservative Republican unlike Hoover. And he was already quite old (would've been 73 when inaugurated in this scenario). Doesn't look to good, and frankly, I don't know whether anyone could have saved it for the Reps then.
Well if he does not fix the depression in his first 4 years in office it will not matter, he will be voted out. |
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Post by stevep on Apr 30, 2022 16:04:33 GMT
As said, I don't know much about him. So he was a conservative Republican unlike Hoover. And he was already quite old (would've been 73 when inaugurated in this scenario). Doesn't look to good, and frankly, I don't know whether anyone could have saved it for the Reps then.
Well if he does not fix the depression in his first 4 years in office it will not matter, he will be voted out.
I would say in 1932 its already too late for the Republicans to rescue much, especially if he was a conservative Republican. Assuming that means he would be even more hands off and leave it to the markets to self-correct which they hadn't done for the last three years, especially if he wanted even deeper cuts in government spending.
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Post by melanie on May 1, 2022 17:01:07 GMT
Herbert Hoover's VP Charles Curtis was the only Native American Veep or Prez but modern First Nations activists don't claim him because he was an assimilationist.
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Post by lordroel on May 1, 2022 17:10:50 GMT
Herbert Hoover's VP Charles Curtis was the only Native American Veep or Prez but modern First Nations activists don't claim him because he was an assimilationist. Thanks for forcing me to google the meaning of the word assimilationist. |
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Post by Max Sinister on May 8, 2022 0:42:16 GMT
Let's continue this: - 1936: John Nance Garner vs. Alf Landon (who already won in that poll...): Garner probably wins, but then?
- 1940: FDR is dead, World War 2 has already started, and Henry Wallace takes over - and has to defeat ex-Democrat Willkie!
- 1944: Now things really get interesting: FDR is dead, and Truman nominated - but Wallace (again) is POTUS! How do you feel with this guy being able to decide about throwing nukes?
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Post by lordroel on May 10, 2022 14:20:19 GMT
1944: Now things really get interesting: FDR is dead, and Truman nominated - but Wallace (again) is POTUS! How do you feel with this guy being able to decide about throwing nukes? Stalin will be happy with Wallace, Churchill not so much i think. |
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Post by melanie on May 10, 2022 14:51:20 GMT
If FDR dies in 1940, Garner would become President as Garner is still VP until 20 January 1941. Likewise, if FDR and Truman have already been nominated but FDR dies before Election Day, Wallace will only be President until 20 January 1945. The Democratic Party leadership have the “guru letters” in their hands, as do the Republicans.
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Post by Max Sinister on May 11, 2022 20:27:24 GMT
Sorry, my bad, I must've had a different TL in mind.
1948: That'd be really interesting: Truman has no VP, so someone'd enter the White House who's never been on a POTUS ticket. House president Joseph Martin from Massachusetts, to be precise.
1952: Nixon gets into the White House seventeen years early. Can Adlai Stevenson beat him, or...?
1956: Coincidentally, exactly the same as before.
1960: And here it doesn't matter at all, 'cause Nixon is both old VP and new candidate.
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Post by melanie on May 11, 2022 23:04:08 GMT
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Post by Max Sinister on May 14, 2022 18:13:53 GMT
1964: LBJ's dead, John W. McCormack becomes acting president, having to face Goldwater.
1968: Humphrey vs. Nixon, we know that.
1972: Spiro Agnew'll probably beat McGovern. Which may result in a POTUS who actually is impeached.
1976: Ford is gone, Jimmy Carter is now challenging... Bob Dole. I'm not from the US, but I think Carter might win even bigger.
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