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Post by justiniano on Nov 27, 2022 16:18:22 GMT
In a timeline where stalin sends Khuschev and possibly malenkov & beria to gulags, or maybe appoints one of them as a successor before he dies, painting a target on his back (one that gets a bull's eye). Which of the following men is it most plausible to replace Khruschev?
Andropov, Edward Shevadnardze & Mikoyan
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Post by lordroel on Nov 27, 2022 16:29:31 GMT
In a timeline where stalin sends Khuschev and possibly malenkov & beria to gulags, or maybe appoints one of them as a successor before he dies, painting a target on his back (one that gets a bull's eye). Which of the following men is it most plausible to replace Khruschev? Andropov, Edward Shevadnardze & Mikoyan Why would Stalin sends Khuschev and possibly malenkov & beria, one is possible but three is stretching it. |
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Post by justiniano on Nov 27, 2022 17:01:13 GMT
his immense paranoia. Maybe he appoints one to be his successor and sends 2 to gulags
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Post by lordroel on Nov 27, 2022 17:20:29 GMT
his immense paranoia. Maybe he appoints one to be his successor and sends 2 to gulags Again, i explain it in a other thread, Stalin never appointed a successor because he loved the power, lets not have this discussion this again, i going to let simon explain it in a good post he made: Stalin was the antithesis of a thoughtful, rational fellow who would think "Oh, I better anoint a specific successor, as I'm not long for this world!" He was a paranoid megalomaniac who killed and disappeared countless people on little more than whims. A potential successor is a threat to his position today, hence anyone fitting that role had a big target painted on them. |
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Post by justiniano on Nov 27, 2022 17:34:54 GMT
Again, i explain it in a other thread, Stalin never appointed a successor because he loved the power, lets not have this discussion this again, i going to let simon explain it in a good post he made: Since he was a paranoid megalomaniac who killed and disappeared countless people on little more than whims why not send all 3 men in my post to Gulags? |
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Post by lordroel on Nov 27, 2022 17:45:30 GMT
Again, i explain it in a other thread, Stalin never appointed a successor because he loved the power, lets not have this discussion this again, i going to let simon explain it in a good post he made: Since he was a paranoid megalomaniac who killed and disappeared countless people on little more than whims why not send all 3 men in my post to Gulags? Because as long as they where loyal and all where until the day he died, they are useful to him. |
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Post by raunchel on Nov 27, 2022 17:47:36 GMT
Beria at least is someone who doesn't even have to be sent. He was so hated that no one would ever let him take the reins of power. So you only have Malenkov to get rid of. Which should happen relatively easily because he could still lose a power struggle.
I don't think that a military figure would be very likely because of the immense fear of Bonapartism. So no Voroshilov or the like. That would also be a black mark against Bulganin so he's out as well. So I'm doubting between Mikoyan and Molotov for the top spot. Both had experience and established power and were old members of the politburo.
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Post by justiniano on Nov 27, 2022 17:53:54 GMT
So I'm doubting between Mikoyan and Molotov for the top spot. Both had experience and established power and were old members of the politburo. Ty, I did some research, I had no idea how young Molotov was back in 1953(when stalin died) so let's go with Mikoyan. |
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Post by justiniano on Nov 28, 2022 22:49:13 GMT
ok, lordroel, is it ASB that Stalin sends Malenkov & Khruschev to gulags during his great purge then, the absence of the major OTL contenders makes Mikoyan more open to the idea of making a play for top dog, which he does, becoming Stalin's succesor. |
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Post by Max Sinister on Dec 1, 2022 6:58:19 GMT
Andropov? Why not Breshnev, or even Kossygin?
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Post by raunchel on Dec 1, 2022 12:39:37 GMT
Andropov? Why not Breshnev, or even Kossygin? At this time Andropov was a relative nobody and would soon become ambassador to Hungary. That's not the kind of person that will have a decent shot at the top spot. Breshnev at this time also wasn't that high up, although he was further than Andropov and was the head of the political department of the navy. That however still isn't a spot from which one can take power. Kossygin also wasn't a full politburo member at the time but had the most impressive resume so he at least had a slight chance of enough people were dead or out of the way. But that would take a lot of them and a ton of luck. |
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Post by michelvan on Dec 3, 2022 14:38:08 GMT
Actually Stalin send Khruschev to Stalingrad to deal with situation
the chance to get killed was very high for Khruschev, either by Germans or by NKVD on Stalin Orders
Khruschev manage to survive and able to defeat the Germans in Stalingrad
another great survivor was Marshal Zhukov
allot of Stalin NKVD officer "commit suicide" around him during the War...
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Post by stevep on Dec 3, 2022 14:58:28 GMT
Actually Stalin send Khruschev to Stalingrad to deal with situation the chance to get killed was very high for Khruschev, either by Germans or by NKVD on Stalin Orders Khruschev manage to survive and able to defeat the Germans in Stalingrad another great survivor was Marshal Zhukov allot of Stalin NKVD officer "commit suicide" around him during the War...
Now that's an interesting stat. It sounds like there was a private war going on with Zhukov being surrounded by loyalists who protected him.
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Post by michelvan on Dec 3, 2022 17:37:50 GMT
Now that's an interesting stat. It sounds like there was a private war going on with Zhukov being surrounded by loyalists who protected him. It's more like that Zhukov knew that he was on Stalin "wish list" Stalin consider him as personal threat do Zhukov success on Battle field Zhukov play clever game with Stalin, making himself indispensable for War effort, becoming a Nightmare for Germans and for Stalin, Also get rid of those pesky NKVD officer around him on regular basis. after War Marshal Zhukov was Highest rank Military in Red Army and National Hero, Stalin dear not touch him, while Marshal Zhukov public express his loyalty to Stalin. Once Stalin drop death, Zhukov, Khruschev act fast, like Zhukov dealing with former boss of NKVD certain Lavrentiy Beria... there is nasty dark comedy dealing with this: |
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Post by Max Sinister on Dec 14, 2022 16:56:50 GMT
Recently read Gorbachev's autobiography. He writes that Brezhnev was a compromise candidate, who came to power because everyone wanted to keep things as they are. On the outside, the regime looked stable, but behind the scenes, it was rotting away.
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