Denmark of 9 April 1940 ISOT to 1 February 1864.

[575]

Feb 19, 2023 19:43:17 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 19, 2023 19:38:33 GMT 575 said:

Oh no - he left that to the PM. The country's only displaced in time not occupied by a foreign power disempowering King and Government. Huge difference!

But still a major event for the Danish people who might face war still.

Quite so - and they will.

[stevep]

Feb 19, 2023 12:55:08 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 19, 2023 11:56:10 GMT stevep said:

  I think given his background the Danish government might want the German delegation to be unable to travel for the duration of the crisis/conflict.  He could give too much information to the potential enemy.

What enemy, the Prussians, both the 9 April 1940 Germans in Denmark and the 1 February 1864 Prussians are not at war with 1940 Denmark, so not much the Danish Government can do about it.

  I did say potential.  Given what they know about history potential here means almost certainly.  Even if a lot of Danes didn't want to help their down-timers and most seem to do so they would need to persuade the assorted German powers not to attack. 

[575]

Army Airtroops 10 April 1940/ 2 February 1864 0730 AM
General Prior had ordered a reconnaisance flight over Slesvig during the afternoon of yesterday and another to take off at first light today. The Aircraft engines had been a little more iffy this morning than yesterday – temperatures dropping through the night though actually rising again though humidity was climbing and lots of fog being around.

The Army Airtroops had been busy yesterday packing the 1. and 2. Squadrons – both Reconnaisance/Light Bombers – along those aircraft of similar kind allocted 3. and 5. Fighter Squadrons which were deemed not needed at the moment.
Prior had changed his mind about airfields to use – he had abandoned the emergency dispersal fields which anyway needed a lot of work to instead use civil airfields already operational and next to large Cities with Railwaystation and Port; Esbjerg having a Navy Depot, Nakskov in Lolland a large Shipyard and local industry associated with this.

Trucks loaded with equipment and ammunition of 2. Squadron had headed off in the late afternoon yesterday to catch a Ferry at Korsør for Nyborg in Fyn and then continue by road to the Jutland Emergency Field at Rye in East Jutland as the main depot and Esbjerg on the West coast; officers were sent out to recon for other Airfields as far south as possible; the commercial airfield of Marslev east of Odense in Fyn getting a look as the convoy was going west; the Troop field at Tønder close to the Anti-Tank Engineers Regiment which had been used earlier for exercises and as the Regiment was a Motorized unit could be drawn upon for support. All to limit fuel consumption and for quick turnaround when operations might begin.
The trucks of 1. Squadron loaded up headed to Copenhagen Railway Marshalling Yard to entrain for movement to Nakskov, Lolland down south. The City boasted an Airfield the most readily useable and close to the upcoming battlefield in Slesvig. The port opened west through the fiord at the end of which Nakskov is situated.

All the Aircraft had been readied for combat during the night of 8 – 9 April 1940 and were so still – the two Squadrons took off at 5 AM; 2 Sqd. Heading for Esbjerg 1. Sqd for Nakskov with a 2. Sqd. Fokker C-V doing the reconnaisance flight over the Northern German Baltic coast over Eckernförde Fiord to try spot the Prussian 1. Corps and then via Schleswig City to Esbjerg.
The Pilots of 3. and 5. Squadron was to continue flight training with emphasis on bombruns as they might get deployed too though then that would be on the old O-machines rigged with bombracks.

[lordroel]

If 575, does not mind, for those who do not know the history of the Schleswig Wars 1848-1864, here is a good documentary by Real Time History to explain it.

[575]

Feb 20, 2023 18:57:24 GMT lordroel said:

If 575 , does not mind, for those who do not know the history of the Schleswig Wars 1848-1864, here is a good documentary by Real Time History to explain it.

It allright though the use of the Dreyse Rifle was limited during the 1. Schleswig War without the real impact during the 2.

Regarding the 2. Schleswig War the Als battle actually ended with Denmark evacuating the major part of the Army still in Als from the south of the island - the Prussians had no means to counter that.

The Danes had repeatedly conducted raids on the east coast of the Jutland peninsular during the 1. War but didn't have surplus troops to do so during the 2. Also the Army had been reorganized in the last year prior to the War leaving way too few Officers to fill in the new post's.

As pointed to the Politicians and Populace didn't understand the realities of war and the Army and Navy had difficulties cooperating especially during the Als battle when the Danish Armoured Ship Rolf Krake could have run down the Prussians crossing the narrow strait; it had already proven its worth but lack of crucial cooperation..

The mentioned Danish Officer A.W. Dinesen was an Artillery commander during the 1. War and on the Staff of General de Meza untill the sack of de Meza following the retreat from Dannevirke position.

His son W. Dinesen was the one with 8. Brigade at Dybbøl as a 1. Lieutenant. He later fathered renowned Danish author Karen Blixen nee Dinesen also writing under pen-name Isak Dinesen.

[lordroel]

Feb 20, 2023 20:21:33 GMT 575 said:

Feb 20, 2023 18:57:24 GMT lordroel said:

If 575 , does not mind, for those who do not know the history of the Schleswig Wars 1848-1864, here is a good documentary by Real Time History to explain it.

It allright though the use of the Dreyse Rifle was limited during the 1. Schleswig War without the real impact during the 2.

Regarding the 2. Schleswig War the Als battle actually ended with Denmark evacuating the major part of the Army still in Als from the south of the island - the Prussians had no means to counter that.

The Danes had repeatedly conducted raids on the east coast of the Jutland peninsular during the 1. War but didn't have surplus troops to do so during the 2. Also the Army had been reorganized in the last year prior to the War leaving way too few Officers to fill in the new post's.

As pointed to the Politicians and Populace didn't understand the realities of war and the Army and Navy had difficulties cooperating especially during the Als battle when the Danish Armoured Ship Rolf Krake could have run down the Prussians crossing the narrow strait; it had already proven its worth but lack of crucial cooperation..

The mentioned Danish Officer A.W. Dinesen was an Artillery commander during the 1. War and on the Staff of General de Meza untill the sack of de Meza following the retreat from Dannevirke position.

His son W. Dinesen was the one with 8. Brigade at Dybbøl as a 1. Lieutenant. He later fathered renowned Danish author Karen Blixen nee Dinesen also writing under pen-name Isak Dinesen.

To bad 1940 Denmark has no bombers, but the Fokker D.XXI with its 2x 8 mm (0.315 in) machine guns and 2x 20 mm (0.787 in) Madsen cannons can do a lot of damge to Prussians lines if needed by strafing them.

[lordroel]

Now, this is a nice links i discover, i assume the 3rd and 4th battlon are the first to move to the now Danish/Prussian border: The Danish Army on April 9th, 1940, Part 1 to 3

Now if i only could read Danish: Den danske Hær IV, 9. april 1940

[575]

Feb 20, 2023 20:39:09 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 20, 2023 20:21:33 GMT 575 said:

It allright though the use of the Dreyse Rifle was limited during the 1. Schleswig War without the real impact during the 2.

Regarding the 2. Schleswig War the Als battle actually ended with Denmark evacuating the major part of the Army still in Als from the south of the island - the Prussians had no means to counter that.

The Danes had repeatedly conducted raids on the east coast of the Jutland peninsular during the 1. War but didn't have surplus troops to do so during the 2. Also the Army had been reorganized in the last year prior to the War leaving way too few Officers to fill in the new post's.

As pointed to the Politicians and Populace didn't understand the realities of war and the Army and Navy had difficulties cooperating especially during the Als battle when the Danish Armoured Ship Rolf Krake could have run down the Prussians crossing the narrow strait; it had already proven its worth but lack of crucial cooperation..

The mentioned Danish Officer A.W. Dinesen was an Artillery commander during the 1. War and on the Staff of General de Meza untill the sack of de Meza following the retreat from Dannevirke position.

His son W. Dinesen was the one with 8. Brigade at Dybbøl as a 1. Lieutenant. He later fathered renowned Danish author Karen Blixen nee Dinesen also writing under pen-name Isak Dinesen.

To bad 1940 Denmark has no bombers, but the Fokker D.XXI with its 2x 8 mm (0.315 in) machine guns and 2x 20 mm (0.787 in) Madsen cannons can do a lot of damge to Prussians lines if needed by strafing them.

The Fokker D-XXI had an experimental armament fitted to the second aircraft procured from Netherlands of 2x20mm Madsen Cannon in some large fairings

though tests had apparently been concluded prior to 9 April 1940 as the aircraft "J-22" had been placed in storage along the other in Netherlands procured "J-21" - which was without the cannon armament.

However on the night of 8-9 April 1940 all Army Aircraft except the Reconnaisance ones sent out as previously described were fitted with 12,5 kg bombs - 4 or 8 each according to type.

[575]

Feb 20, 2023 20:49:30 GMT lordroel said:

Now, this is a nice links i discover, i assume the 3rd and 4th battlon are the first to move to the now Danish/Prussian border: The Danish Army on April 9th, 1940, Part 1 to 3

Now if i only could read Danish: Den danske Hær IV, 9. april 1940

3. and 4. Battalion are to be among first units on the 1940 Border - rest assured.

If possible look up the Danish movie "9. April" which portray the events.

The second link doesn't work properly.

[lordroel]

Feb 20, 2023 20:59:17 GMT 575 said:

Feb 20, 2023 20:39:09 GMT lordroel said:

To bad 1940 Denmark has no bombers, but the Fokker D.XXI with its 2x 8 mm (0.315 in) machine guns and 2x 20 mm (0.787 in) Madsen cannons can do a lot of damge to Prussians lines if needed by strafing them.

The Fokker D-XXI had an experimental armament fitted to the second aircraft procured from Netherlands of 2x20mm Madsen Cannon in some large fairings

though tests had apparently been concluded prior to 9 April 1940 as the aircraft "J-22" had been placed in storage along the other in Netherlands procured "J-21" - which was without the cannon armament.

However on the night of 8-9 April 1940 all Army Aircraft except the Reconnaisance ones sent out as previously described were fitted with 12,5 kg bombs - 4 or 8 each according to type.

That is going to be a mess, now add the siren of the Stuka and you have a weapon that is terrifying to any Prussians soldiers.

[lordroel]

Feb 20, 2023 21:08:46 GMT 575 said:

The second link doesn't work properly.

Link should work now.

[stevep]

Feb 20, 2023 20:39:09 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 20, 2023 20:21:33 GMT 575 said:

It allright though the use of the Dreyse Rifle was limited during the 1. Schleswig War without the real impact during the 2.

Regarding the 2. Schleswig War the Als battle actually ended with Denmark evacuating the major part of the Army still in Als from the south of the island - the Prussians had no means to counter that.

The Danes had repeatedly conducted raids on the east coast of the Jutland peninsular during the 1. War but didn't have surplus troops to do so during the 2. Also the Army had been reorganized in the last year prior to the War leaving way too few Officers to fill in the new post's.

As pointed to the Politicians and Populace didn't understand the realities of war and the Army and Navy had difficulties cooperating especially during the Als battle when the Danish Armoured Ship Rolf Krake could have run down the Prussians crossing the narrow strait; it had already proven its worth but lack of crucial cooperation..

The mentioned Danish Officer A.W. Dinesen was an Artillery commander during the 1. War and on the Staff of General de Meza untill the sack of de Meza following the retreat from Dannevirke position.

His son W. Dinesen was the one with 8. Brigade at Dybbøl as a 1. Lieutenant. He later fathered renowned Danish author Karen Blixen nee Dinesen also writing under pen-name Isak Dinesen.

To bad 1940 Denmark has no bombers, but the Fokker D.XXI with its 2x 8 mm (0.315 in) machine guns and 2x 20 mm (0.787 in) Madsen cannons can do a lot of damge to Prussians lines if needed by strafing them.

  Unless your going for a hard target I would say the machine guns would be more effective than the cannons and probably easier to supply new ammo for them.  Plus a/c attacking from the skies would probably simply have massive shock value as well.  Strafing troops formations, especially on the march could really screw up operations for the targets.

[575]

Feb 20, 2023 21:15:51 GMT lordroel said:

Feb 20, 2023 21:08:46 GMT 575 said:

The second link doesn't work properly.

Link should work now.

WOW never came across this one before! What a find.

Its a publication of a Workgroup on 9 April that tried through interwievs with veterans to establish the events. I will read it. First impression reminds me of the book 9. April, letters from the soldiers compiled in the days following the occupation.

There was also made a film by the group - will try look that up too. Stay tuned.

[575]

Its all the elements of the Groups work muddled together - written story - plaques do display events and so on.

If You look up this Chakoten Danish War Games Group You will find most of the information in English. Also look up the author Per Finsted - he did compile quite a lot in English on the Danish Army.

[lordroel]

Feb 21, 2023 17:28:33 GMT 575 said:

Feb 20, 2023 21:15:51 GMT lordroel said:

Link should work now.

WOW never came across this one before! What a find.

Its a publication of a Workgroup on 9 April that tried through interwievs with veterans to establish the events. I will read it. First impression reminds me of the book 9. April, letters from the soldiers compiled in the days following the occupation.

There was also made a film by the group - will try look that up too. Stay tuned.

Thanks, only found it true the first link i posted.

I did find this one called: FILMEN OM KAMPENE 9 APRIL 1940. while i do not undetrand Danish sadly, watching the image does show what is now the most poweful army in 1864.